David_Moen

Hi all,

I am setting up my 9C for my Ultra Stick Lite. I have 4 servos on the wing and have programmed things as per the "Complex Aerobat" instructions on the 9C FAQ posted at www.futabarc.com.

I have a couple problems. The flaps are activated by the left slider switch. If the switch is all the way up, the flaps are up 1.5" from the wing surface. At the mid-point of the switch travel, there is a beep, and the flaps are centered. When the slider is all the way down the flaps are down the reccomended amount. Listening for the beep to know that the flaps are neutral seems a bit imprecise. I would like the flaps to be at neutral with the switch all the way up, and down when it is all the way down, that way operation is a little more intuitive. I can make this happed by limiting the upward travel of the flap in the end-point menu. The problem is that when I link the flaps to the ailerons to achieve full span 'rons, I will have no upward deflection in the flaps. I am already using the "Airbrake" mix for crow.

I could move the flaps to a 2 position switch, but in the up position, but then they would go from one end of thier travel to the other when the switch was oerated wouldn't they? Can I make them stop at the centre somehow?

Also, when I turn on my Ele-Flap mix and pull up elevator, my ailerons drop, not the flaps?!?

Here's a link to Futaba's instructions for your reference.....http://www.futabarc.com/faq/faq-9c-q515.html

Thanks for your help!

dirtypool

My Feedback: (6)

I have the same plane and radio. I have it set up where I can do crow and flaps, but I am really not happy with the result. One flap is delayed from the other and my crow throw is not as great as it seems it should be, but maybe I am wrong. I have not flown it yet, because a "new" servo went out while testing.

Let me know how you correct the problem and maybe your setup will be better than mine.

Thanks.

Rob

David_Moen

All my movements and travels are matched up and meet or exceed the specs in the manual, just can't figure out that flap thing.

dirtypool

My Feedback: (6)

I will have to check my programming. I know these to be correct for me:
I do not use any Y-harnesses, each servo plugs directly into the receiver. I am using the right side finger "slide" switch for my flaps and they go down but not up (correct). I have my crow programmed to a left side switch (cant remember which) to enable crow. It seems that the flaps do not go down very far on this, but it is technically "working".

I may be able to get more info to you by this weekend if that helps. When I looked on Futaba's website, their tutorial did not help me much, but the futaba radio forum here did. I would ask them how to program the crow. That is how I found out. I may still have the docs from it.

I'll let you know.

Rob

David_Moen

I programmed mine with the instructions button by button. Worked fine once you figgure out thier short hand!

splat1

Does anyone still have the Futaba 9C setups for the ultra stick quad/ flaps

David_Moen

I used this.....

http://www.futabarc.com/faq/faq-9c-q515.html

Chuckr53-RCU

My Feedback: (40)

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/9CAP...1399338/tm.htm

Chuckr53-RCU

My Feedback: (40)

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_22.../tm.htm#222109

Chuckr53-RCU

My Feedback: (40)

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_22.../tm.htm#222109

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_74.../tm.htm#746502

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_83.../tm.htm#832147

That'll keep him busy!

Henry_90lx

Ok here is my setup mix by mix, works like a champ.


Flapperon:

Mix-Act
(L) (R)
Rate-Ail1>+100 +100
Ail2>+100 +100

Flp2> +100
Flp1> -100

Flap trim:
act
rat> +6%

Air Brake
Mix> Off
Rate-Ail1>+100%
Elev>- 20%
Flap>+100%
Ail2>+100%
Delay-elev> 0%
Mode: Manual

Elev-Flap
Mix> Off
Rate - ^ -50%
v -50%

sw>c
posi>up


aux channel selections:

Ch 5 - Sw-F edit I changed this to vr-e
Ch 6 - Vr-A
Ch 7 - Null edit I changed this to vr-e
Ch 8 - Null

Paramater: Aerobatic

Pmixes
#1:
rate: +100%
mix: off
mas: offset
slv: aux 1
link: off

sw: C
pos: down

#2:
rate: +100%
mix: off
mas: offset
slv: aux 2 edit changed this to GEAR
link: off

sw: C
pos: down

#3
rate: +100%/+100%
offset:0%
mix: on
mas: aile
slv: aux 1
link: on
trim: on
sw: H
pos: up

#4

rate: -100%/-100%
offset:0%
mix: on
mas: aile
slv: aux 2
link: off
trim: on
sw: H
pos: up

#5

rate: +50%/+50%
offset:0%
mix: on
mas: elev
slv: aux 1
link: off
trim: off
sw: g
pos: up

#6

Pos 1> - 40
Pos 2> -20
Pos 3> 0
Pos 4> +20
Pos 5> +40

mix: on
mas: elev
slv: aux 2 edit change this to GEAR
link: off
sw: g
pos: up

#7 EDIT: New mix added Not sure if the positions give enough throw yet need to do more test flights with it, this couples the elevator to the flaps. It rasies the elevator porportinaly to the amont of flaps droped with the slider, and reveres for spoliers

Pos 1> -25
Pos 2> -12
Pos 3>0
Pos 4> +12
Pos 5> +25

mix: on
mas: Gear
slv: Elev
link: on
sw: D
pos: Null


Ok, thats how i had my ultrastick set up.
Up on the C switch was ailerons coupled to the elevator.

When you pull switch C down, full crow. Up on the outside ailerons, and full down on the flaps.


Switch H up gives full span ailerons.

Switch H down gives outer ailerons only.

Switch G up gives flaps coupled to the elevator

Switch C and G both up gives full span flapperons

Swith C up gives ailerons coupled to the elevator.


Hope it helps
Henry

Blackie

I'm using this same application as well but my question will the above mixing work with a duel elevator as well. Meaning channels 2/8 for elevator.

The plane I have is accentual the same plane, (WM SS 60) I modified it with duel elevator servos.

Thanks
Blackie

Henry_90lx

Thats how mine is set up, dual elevators that is. Here is my channe set up

1 R Ailereon
2 L elevator
3 Throttle
4 Rudder
5 R flap
6 L Aileron
7 L flap
8 R elevator

David_Moen

I used Henry's post in conjunction with the Futaba article to set mine up. I't flying but still not fully dialed in. I don't like having the flaps on a slider as this allows to flaps to go up as well as down unless you limit their upward travel in the end-point menu, then they are not going to be effective as full-span ailerons. Trying to find the centre position on that slider while flying didn't seem like a good plan either so for now I don't have flaps. I'd like flaps on a switch, with elevator compensation, but that will have to be figgered out down the road.

I am interested in more info on the full time mixes, being rudder to elevator and rudder to aileron. Should the elevator go up with rudder application, or down. If you follow the Futaba FAQ, you get up deflection when the rudder goes left and down deflection when it goes right, just a typo I'm sure. Also with the rudder to aileron mix, I assume we want the ailerons rolling the airplane in the opposite direction that the rudder is moving as in yaw right. roll left etc right?

Blackie

Henry, do you have your battery Y'ed in with one of your servos?

Thanks
Blackie

Henry_90lx

I am opposite on the flaps on the slider, I like to use them as spoilers on landing ( helps mask my poor landing skills). I just listen for the beep and I know there centered.

Henry

Henry_90lx

Yes I have it y'ed in on channel 8. Soon as I build another batt pack I will end up y'ing another on another channel.

Henry

David_Moen

What's landing with crow on like?

Henry_90lx

You got to have alot of power on. It really adds alot of drag. My landing method usually goes something like this. From way up high, go into a dive crow on, then about 15 feet up I start rotate over into a landing attitude pull in the crow and drop the flaps set it down and as soon as the wheels touch push the slider all the way up to activate spoilers. That makes it stik for a no bounce landing.

Henry

David_Moen

Sounds like fun! Fingers must be flying!

Blackie

Henry, I have a question concerning your mix settings. Can you please tell me if.

Radio 9C

Mix> off is equil to INH?

Mix> on is equil to OFF?

I got a bit confused when I was following your steps.

Thanks
Blackie

Henry_90lx

Blackie,

Mix off = off or on depends on where the switch is physicly when setting up the mix

mix on = off see above

mix inh = inh and nothing eles

Henry

splat1

Gentlemen thanks for all the help >got to try it yesterday pretty cool!!!!!!

WRM

Radio Programming Futaba's 9CA by Harry Higley from RCM, it will show you how to program the 9CA for Ultra Stick .

miamiflyer

My Feedback: (1)

Barber,
I don't know what page you are on...but
I have that book in front of me, read it , and came to the conclusion that it will not show me how to
program my ustick/9cap in acro mode. It'll make you smarter and improve your programming skills but it doesn't show
you how to program your ustick especially not in acro mode. where you will loose "throttle kill" . [:@]

page 62 "better flaps":
" If you have an Ultra Stick and want both flaps and crow, you'll need a glider setup. The instructions accompanying that kit do a good job of explaining how, so we won't bother".
end.

Henry,
after sending me to this thread, which is the same programming as the other, there are still bugs in your sheet. too much/less movement where it shouldn't be. I think you really have something wrong there in the aux/ gear/ setup.
I did line by line and it didn't work.

Since you also posted the instructions in past tense, i'll guess you
don't fly that plane anymore or it's some time ago you've programmed it?

pat








happy landings.