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Old 08-28-2010, 08:55 PM
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Default RE: JR Propo (JAPAN) 11x Zero and DSX11

If you find that DMSS is superior to DSM2 and want to use it, and if all other JR owners *but* the Horizon customer base can change over by nothing more than a module change, and you are thus forced to buy a new radio to make the same change, would you not regard that as a bad thing?

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Old 08-28-2010, 09:42 PM
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Maybe, but I'm not worried about it. If JR abandons DSM2, I'll just stick with Spektrum. The only reason I have a 9303 2.4 is because I needed 9 channels and it was compatible with all my Spektrum receivers. The only reason I pre-ordered my DX7 and got it the same week as all the hobby shops was because I was already using their DSM surface system, and their DSM park flier system. I have been using the Spektrum stuff for a long time. I guess you could say I'm more of a Spektrum user than a JR user.

Now if I ever need more channels, which won't be anytime soon, I will need a new radio anyway.

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If you find that DMSS is superior to DSM2 and want to use it, and if all other JR owners *but* the Horizon customer base can change over by nothing more than a module change, and you are thus forced to buy a new radio to make the same change, would you not regard that as a bad thing?

- Tim
Old 08-29-2010, 08:58 AM
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I THINK I understand your explanation, pitstop... and I am well aware that while JR may have our best interests at heart, Horizon has Horizon's best interests at heart. I flew JR for almost ten years... and leave the rest unsaid.

The Empire is no better... but Futaba always has always had their act together, in my experience. The Empire just reaps the rewards.

Anyway... there is enough controversy surrounding all this 2.4 stuff to make my decision to stay with 72mHz quite easy...

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I’ve been flying and promoting/selling JR since the Circus Circus (JR Distributor) days, well before Horizon was even a Blip in the Hobby Industry.
The 72 MHz band is the only band that the FCC in the US has allocated for Model Airplane Use, so technically there should be nobody using it but us. Thanks to Horizon, JR users that want to stay with 72 MHzare out of luck again for new equipment, since their objective is to get their customer base on DSM2.
The 2.4 Ghz band on the other hand is a band that RC is permitted to use, which is the Industrial, scientific, and medical (ISM) band. Most don’t even realize this. We’ve gotten away from the frequency board and the possibility of being shot down by one of our own (Intentionally/Unintentionally) but Now have to contend with more possible interference from devices and persons other than the hobbyist. Even JR (Japan) states that less than 15 2.4 GHz units should be operating at one time.
IMO the Futaba 2.4 GHz or any other systems that hops over the whole band is superior to Spektrum’s DSM2. Even though spektrum has the hopping system that’s labeled DSMJ which I now have access to, they are not releasing it to their markets. Why? You can guess why! As I see it, the Best of the Best of this technology is coming from the Industrial sector where it has to be infallible, which is a hopping system.
Bottom line, these are just my thoughts and my prospective on this, as far as DSMJ being legal or not in the US, The information won’t be found here or on any other R/C site, but in the FCC website and documents. Low power, unlicensed,commercial,
I’m looking forward to what JR themselves bring to the Table.
Old 09-18-2010, 07:17 PM
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Default RE: JR Propo (JAPAN) 11x Zero and DSX11

Yes, the radio can be configured for 72 MHz with the 10 channel JR module.
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Old 10-02-2010, 08:06 AM
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Old 10-17-2010, 10:48 PM
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Default RE: JR Propo (JAPAN) 11x Zero and DSX11

Ok I am at a lost here so please excuse me for that
I was wanting to move from my 10X system and was looking at the 9503 vs the 11x,,,, should I wait

Dave
Old 10-18-2010, 02:54 AM
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Default RE: JR Propo (JAPAN) 11x Zero and DSX11

I am very curious about if the DSMJ dose really hop.I read all threads but haven't read any analysis reports to prove how much channels the DSMJ Hop between .
Old 10-18-2010, 05:25 PM
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Yes it does hop but didn't have the beast in my hand long enough to get it dully checked out on a Spectrum Analyser.

To my mind, it was a slow hop rate .
Old 10-18-2010, 07:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: WhoDaMan

Ok I am at a lost here so please excuse me for that
I was wanting to move from my 10X system and was looking at the 9503 vs the 11x,,,, should I wait

Dave
Hi Dave

What RF are you using with the 10x?

still on 72 MHz ?

or are you on 2.4 GHz.

Is the reason for a new radio because you want to use 2.4GHz?


Old 10-18-2010, 07:20 PM
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ORIGINAL: WhoDaMan

Ok I am at a lost here so please excuse me for that
I was wanting to move from my 10X system and was looking at the 9503 vs the 11x,,,, should I wait

Dave
Hi Dave

What RF are you using with the 10x?

still on 72 MHz ?

or are you on 2.4 GHz.

Is the reason for a new radio because you want to use 2.4GHz?


I am still on 72 looking to go for 2.4
Old 10-18-2010, 07:35 PM
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Default RE: JR Propo (JAPAN) 11x Zero and DSX11

Dave,

Have you considered just a module change to 2.4
Old 10-18-2010, 07:38 PM
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Default RE: JR Propo (JAPAN) 11x Zero and DSX11

yes till my friend lost his pride and joy scaled to the hilt F-16 on that setup
Old 10-18-2010, 09:17 PM
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Dave,

are you talking about Spektrum DSM2? If so we are both on the same page. I ditched DSM2 for FASST, FrSky and DSMJ.

Any JR radio you buy in the states right know is using Spektrums DSM2 2.4 for RF.

I was and running my 10x with the FASST 2.4 module no problems, Other jet flyers are also using this configuration, but you are limited to 9 channels.
The only setup I recommend, but that's just my opinion, and based on my experience.
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Dave,

are you talking about Spektrum DSM2? If so we are both on the same page. I ditched DSM2 for FASST, FrSky and DSMJ.

Any JR radio you buy in the states right know is using Spektrums DSM2 2.4 for RF.

I was and running my 10x with the FASST 2.4 module no problems, Other jet flyers are also using this configuration, but you are limited to 9 channels.
The only setup I recommend, but that's just my opinion, and based on my experience.
Wow to tell you the truth I am out there on all this and I did not know you could run the fast system on the JR

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Default RE: JR Propo (JAPAN) 11x Zero and DSX11

This is the module that I use in my 10x and 11xzero it also can be used in any JR module based radio except the 12X.
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Old 10-18-2010, 10:42 PM
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Default RE: JR Propo (JAPAN) 11x Zero and DSX11

Thank you I will look into it,,,, so you have not had any hits with this system, what RX do you use
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I’m running the module in channel mode 12 and using R6008HS receivers which are only 8 channels, so I’m limited to 8 ports on the RX’s.
so you have not had any hits with this system
I have had no issues whatsoever with FASST RF in my JR radios.
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Thank you Pits
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Dave, have you had the chance to look into the FASST 2.4 RF Module?
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ORIGINAL: pitstop000

Dave, have you had the chance to look into the FASST 2.4 RF Module?
Hi Paul:
Not yet I am trying to decide if it would be worth it on some of my jets I need the channels, sense I do have two of the tens I may change one of them over

Dave
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Dave, have you had the chance to look into the FASST 2.4 RF Module?
Hi Paul:
Not yet I am trying to decide if it would be worth it on some of my jets I need the channels, sense I do have two of the tens I may change one of them over

Dave


Dave, if you really need all 10 channels for 10x and can’t get away with only 9, then Yes the FASST module might not be the right option at this time, if only the 10x transmitted all 10 channels in PPM modulation instead of only in SPCM then we would have all 10 with the FASST module.

I also have one NIB 10x left, that was my backup to my recently retired 10x that was given away to one of my friends. I still don’t know what I’m going to do with that NIB TX.

I hope that JR’s own DMSS system makes it to the states so we can finally have a TRUE JR SYSTEM until then its FASST, DSMJ, and FrSky for me. When the module is available for the 11X by JR in DMSS it will be in my planes.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10132753/tm.htm

Sorry I wasn’t much help then.

I have been asked why as a Hard Core JR user I’m recommending products other than JR and my answer to those is simple.

“The 2.4RF at this time is not JR’s but ( Spektrum/Horizon DSM ) and until JR brings their own hopping system which we know now is called DMSS to the states I will recommend, If asked, what has worked for me that I have firsthand knowledge of and that DSM2 is not an option for me or my planes. I don’t think that we should accept a product that has a high failure rate IMHO, no matter what the cause, since before this 2.4 RF our only main fear in using 72 MHz was of being shot down by a fellow modeler, at least for me that was my only fear, not of my equipment."



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Oh yes you were a lot of help Paul, do you think JR will ever wise up and do a DMSS
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do you think JR will ever wise up and do a DMSS
ermmm JR ARE doing the DMSS, do you perhaps mean Horizon Hobbies ? If so, then i would very much doubt it as they own Spektrum and would want everyone tied in to their own system.

Remember that DSMJ still uses the DSM2 RF unit but is using a different firmware than DSM2.
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well that sucks. They should wise up, or they will continue to lose folks like me and I will stick with 72, heck no one is on it and I have never lost a plane on it
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ORIGINAL: slarty

do you think JR will ever wise up and do a DMSS
ermmm JR ARE doing the DMSS, do you perhaps mean Horizon Hobbies ? If so, then i would very much doubt it as they own Spektrum and would want everyone tied in to their own system.

Remember that DSMJ still uses the DSM2 RF unit but is using a different firmware than DSM2.
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