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Old 05-26-2008, 07:29 AM
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Default Increasing cornering speed

Hey guys
What is the basic rule of thumb for increasing cornering speed?

Taking balance, oversteer/understeer out of the equation...

For example, lowering a car, running better tyres etc
I always thought on a smooth track, running stiffer springs would equal to higher cornering speed but I noticed on my car that with medium springs if I take out a bit of spring load it corners better
Where as with stiff suspension and spring load it slides a lot more... but is much more stable
Old 05-26-2008, 08:32 AM
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If the car rolls to the outside it will load the tyres up more and give better grip. Tuning the suspension for max grip is a black art. Only knowing the car and the setup options and the track can you answer that question

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Old 05-26-2008, 08:51 AM
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Where as with stiff suspension and spring load it slides a lot more... but is much more stable
I quess you're not running on foams right? Anyway stiffer suspenssion needs less preload. It keeps the car lower and the responce of the spring better. The oposite happens with softer setups. Also preload should be reduces and suspenssion soften when using sway bars. Generally for clear and smooth surfaces without dust foams are the best for maximum grip.
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Default RE: Increasing cornering speed

What is that load and preload you're talking about?
Old 05-26-2008, 09:06 AM
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It's the amount of load there is on the spring before any weight is put on it. ie, how many spacers there are on the shock body and how compressed the spring is before weight

Gynaikas no I don't use foams. The tyres I am using are pretty **** actually but I have slicks as well which I never used

What is it better to use, soft suspension + swaybars or stiff suspension without swaybars?

I just put softer springs in the front and rear so once I take it for a spin hopefully it'll give me a better idea of what's happening
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Softer springs will work better with sway bars...harder ones not. But with the slicks I'd suggest hard springs without sway bars. I run foams with medium-hard springs without sway bars on my car.
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And is there a next step for handling?
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Yes there is...SUSPENSSION ALIGNMENTS! Camber, caster and toe for start...
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I wanna adjust these angles too on my Evolva but i can't without the proper tool. Have any idea for a cheap way? Anyway, a friend of mine that had an Evolva came today and show me somethings. I think i will race this year after all. He bought the TM G4RS like Cypriot did and he racing. Oh man, i can't wait.
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Well the cheapest way is to borrow ane tool like that!
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They are pretty cheap anyway
I will buy one too when I do a tower order
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That's the problem. Credid card!!!
Old 06-04-2008, 07:37 PM
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If you plan to race 8th onroad, don't do it without using a Hudy setup station. This setup gauge kit is crucial for the best handling. For 8th onroad in general I start with the factory setup and work from there. More front and rear camber will help the car rotate around a turn much faster as opposed to having less camber.
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Dude, i just ordered the Hudy setup (the full thing: height gauges, the base etc), it's sweet. It will arrive in 2 weeks from now Yeah, i thought about that factory settings. I will go for them, i just printed the setup sheets of kyosho. I printed 10 blank, one Collari and one of TEAM KYOSHO (the basic).
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How much did it set you back?
And where'd you order it from??
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It costs for me 300 euro. I will get it from J&S racing
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wow 300 euros is pretty steep isn't it?
You can buy a car with that!
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300 euro buy a car? For me is impossible. A new engine MAYBE The HUDY set has all i need fr setup my onroad, is just what i need to make this thing pro [8D]
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wow 300 euros is pretty steep isn't it?
You can buy a car with that!
unfortunatly this is the reality which we will have to cope with here in cyprus. 300 euros should buy you a kit ( any 1/10 kit)

300 euro = 475 usd

but here they are so over priced....
if i didn't have access to an fpo adress i'd probably quit this hobby[&o]

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Yeah, that's why we are too few here in Cyprus. And if somebody enters that hobby, he will propably quit because of the spare parts. If amain was in Cyprus (UNREAL!!!), Cyprus it would be the center of gravity for that hobby Just kidding.
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paying an extra 3 bucks for the spare parts is not half as bad as spending 300 more on a rtr or kit
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Ok, but we have another problem. If someone buy a car and run a bit, he will let the car without cleaning it. Here in Cyprus we are very popular of our "manual garbages". We only take the main thing and the instruction manual is going into the garbage can I don't mean all of course, i don't know for you but i'm not in this category of people, my manuals are all here, even their boxes That baja"s box is pretty huge, want a picture to see what i mean?
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no i am not either... i've only owened 3 rc's and i have a whole section of my desk full of rc manuals....
osiris how much was your baja 5b?

Spetz: if you are running rubber tires, foam tires will increase your cornering speed dramatically
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I know I'm arriving late at this party, and to avoid reiterating what ziggy said at the start (which is absolutely correct, only a master will be able to get the very last G out of the cornering), you were actually right ion the first instance. Lower ride height and stickier tires, are the basic rules for cornering faster. But, taking suspension travel away can reduce grip, so you have to find the balance, and of course the softest tires won't finish the race, so again, balance.

I know that doesn't help, but it does illustrate the point.
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I truely believe that also proper angle adjustments result the fastest laps between equal cars.

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