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05-01-2011, 04:46 PM
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Ah..thanks.. I can see it all.. Very interesting.. no spreaders.. I like the mainsail leach fastening method.. quick change.. Food for thought.. Very nice boat.. Thanks again
06-15-2011, 11:35 PM
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07-11-2011, 06:06 PM
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Iam a gas boater but I just bought myself a Monsoon. I thought I would try my hands with wind power. In all my readings I am expecting a broken off radio box inside the hull but that is OK asI am planning on putting in a locking food storage box for a radio box like I do in all of my gas boats. it should be fairly easy to do but not before I run it as is that way I can have an appreciation of what I can and will do toit. I will definitely follow some of the directions here as I go along. I hope to get it in 3 weeks.
08-16-2011, 04:02 PM
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New addition to the fleet that the postie just dropped off is my new Monsoon 900 MM sail boat. Unlike what others have reported, the boat came in intact with all the parts. Everything was packaged securely with bubble wrap.
I have to go and pick-up some lead shots to fill the ballast and then rig the boat. It should be an interesting build.
I have to go and pick-up some lead shots to fill the ballast and then rig the boat. It should be an interesting build.
08-21-2011, 08:21 AM
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And so I maidened my Monsoon 900 yesterday. Totally a different beast all together from my gas boats. I prepped the ballast with 1.5 Kg of ball bearings packed with Automotive GOOP to keep the ball bearings together, 2 - 1000 ml IV bags flled with air placed in the bow and stern for floatation instead of pool noodles, re-glued all te deck fittings to keep a tight seal, and I also removed the foam from the deck hatch and used tape to secured it down and keep the water out. I used my GT3B radio on the stock servos which performed well.
The boat sailed well and did not take on water. Lovin it!
The boat sailed well and did not take on water. Lovin it!
08-21-2011, 09:28 AM
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Using tape will get old very quickly. There are a number of very simple methods to seal the hatch on a Mosoon that permit you to access the goodies below deck. I am posting a few pictures of the particular method I used to accomplish this.
I used servo arms trimmed to fit and high end weather stripping. The two arms at the front of the back don't move with the two at the rear swivel to permit removal and locking in place. The arms serv as a way to lock the hatch in place and downward pressure against the weather stripping or gasket so it is fully water tight. I tested this seal under very severe conditions and can report it to be 100% water tight.
If you have any more questions, let me know.
Windchaser
Using tape will get old very quickly. There are a number of very simple methods to seal the hatch on a Mosoon that permit you to access the goodies below deck. I am posting a few pictures of the particular method I used to accomplish this.
I used servo arms trimmed to fit and high end weather stripping. The two arms at the front of the back don't move with the two at the rear swivel to permit removal and locking in place. The arms serv as a way to lock the hatch in place and downward pressure against the weather stripping or gasket so it is fully water tight. I tested this seal under very severe conditions and can report it to be 100% water tight.
If you have any more questions, let me know.
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08-21-2011, 11:41 AM
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If I may, one more suggestion. All of these boats (Monsoon, Phantom etc.) need to have their masts reinforced at the joint where the two pieces meet. I am posting a few pictures that are really self explanatory. If you need any details, just let me know.
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08-21-2011, 03:19 PM
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Hi Windchaser,
Thank you for the headsup.Though ittakeslonger,I prefer taping the hatch down simply because it secures all 4 edges which also makes the entire hullair tight.Dont get me wrong as I am sure you have tested your 4 point systemto the fullest. It is definitely a plus when you need to access the radio equipment no doubt about it. As for the mast joiner, I will be fabricating an internalaluminumsleeve with 4 bolts as you have it.
I have read most of the monsoon information shared in the forums and will address each with respect. I think for the money I spent on it that I will give it a 7 out of 10. Below is how I transport the Monsoon with my gas boats.
Thank you for the headsup.Though ittakeslonger,I prefer taping the hatch down simply because it secures all 4 edges which also makes the entire hullair tight.Dont get me wrong as I am sure you have tested your 4 point systemto the fullest. It is definitely a plus when you need to access the radio equipment no doubt about it. As for the mast joiner, I will be fabricating an internalaluminumsleeve with 4 bolts as you have it.
I have read most of the monsoon information shared in the forums and will address each with respect. I think for the money I spent on it that I will give it a 7 out of 10. Below is how I transport the Monsoon with my gas boats.
08-21-2011, 09:06 PM
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Great looking boats!! I like your carry devise -makes transport alot easier for sure. I do have a caution for you on using hatch tape on the Monsoon. They put a very thin clear coat on these boats,please be aware thatthe tapemaypull off the painted surfaces. The red and silver are decals - masking tape will pull them off with out a problem.
I use tape on my FEs and but those boats all have a different type of finish on them. It is your call - Just wanted to let you know. I found out the hard way.
Looks like you have things under control. Enjoy!
Windchaser.
Just for fun, I posted a picture of my cats and my dog.
Great looking boats!! I like your carry devise -makes transport alot easier for sure. I do have a caution for you on using hatch tape on the Monsoon. They put a very thin clear coat on these boats,please be aware thatthe tapemaypull off the painted surfaces. The red and silver are decals - masking tape will pull them off with out a problem.
I use tape on my FEs and but those boats all have a different type of finish on them. It is your call - Just wanted to let you know. I found out the hard way.
Looks like you have things under control. Enjoy!
Windchaser.
Just for fun, I posted a picture of my cats and my dog.
08-22-2011, 04:33 PM
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Tower Hobbies sells stick on lead weights which can be applied to most any place you care to stick them -here is the link http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...C%2FB%3Ed+lead
It will take some experimentation to find the right combination. You mentioned you put in 1.5kg of pellets which should be enough but
a little trial and error should prove to be interesting. Depending on how much weight you add will determine how the boat's speed will be affected.
I have posted several pictures that show my Monsoon in some cases with the rails in the water. The key is to be able to maintain course and control.This boat likes to lean over and frankly it is fun to see how far I can steer a course with the rails in the water. How you choose to position the boatin the wind and control the sails and rudder will determine the degree it heels over. This is all part of learning how to sail. In time you will learn to adjust the sail trims to compensate for wind conditions.
As the boat heels over try opening the sails a little - this will dump some of the wind that is pushing the boat over. Sailboats are a bit like flying a glider. It takes a light touch on the controls and some pratice to develop your sailing skills but they will come in time. Do you have any RC buddies that have been sailing for a while? Being able to sail with advanced sailors is a great way to pick up on all the little things that contribute to being a skilled sailor.
In each of the pictures below the sails and rudder working togetherto control ordetermine the degreeI am letting the boat heel over. I added a picture of my 1M Yamaha in8 t0 10mph winds a couple of my 1M Seawind in 15 to 18 mph winds and you can see it too has the rail in the water but the boat is under control.The stop action shows the Seawind with the water up to the starboard helm, very cool. If you look at the sails, the camera caught me opening the sail to take some of the pressure off the boat and able to stay on course.The last picture is of my Nirvanaonheeled over nicely in6to 8 mph. I hope these pictures are of some value.
Winchaser
Tower Hobbies sells stick on lead weights which can be applied to most any place you care to stick them -here is the link http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...C%2FB%3Ed+lead
It will take some experimentation to find the right combination. You mentioned you put in 1.5kg of pellets which should be enough but
a little trial and error should prove to be interesting. Depending on how much weight you add will determine how the boat's speed will be affected.
I have posted several pictures that show my Monsoon in some cases with the rails in the water. The key is to be able to maintain course and control.This boat likes to lean over and frankly it is fun to see how far I can steer a course with the rails in the water. How you choose to position the boatin the wind and control the sails and rudder will determine the degree it heels over. This is all part of learning how to sail. In time you will learn to adjust the sail trims to compensate for wind conditions.
As the boat heels over try opening the sails a little - this will dump some of the wind that is pushing the boat over. Sailboats are a bit like flying a glider. It takes a light touch on the controls and some pratice to develop your sailing skills but they will come in time. Do you have any RC buddies that have been sailing for a while? Being able to sail with advanced sailors is a great way to pick up on all the little things that contribute to being a skilled sailor.
In each of the pictures below the sails and rudder working togetherto control ordetermine the degreeI am letting the boat heel over. I added a picture of my 1M Yamaha in8 t0 10mph winds a couple of my 1M Seawind in 15 to 18 mph winds and you can see it too has the rail in the water but the boat is under control.The stop action shows the Seawind with the water up to the starboard helm, very cool. If you look at the sails, the camera caught me opening the sail to take some of the pressure off the boat and able to stay on course.The last picture is of my Nirvanaonheeled over nicely in6to 8 mph. I hope these pictures are of some value.
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If you'd like to learn more about RC Sailboats, I suggest visiting another forum called rcgroups.com This forum has a very active sailboat section as well as the full spectrum of RC types. Check it out. http://www.rcgroups.com/sailboats-59/ Another good one is http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk
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If you'd like to learn more about RC Sailboats, I suggest visiting another forum called rcgroups.com This forum has a very active sailboat section as well as the full spectrum of RC types. Check it out. http://www.rcgroups.com/sailboats-59/ Another good one is http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk
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08-24-2011, 07:54 AM
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The next suggestion - pistol grip radios are not well suited for sailing!!!! I have lots of pistol grip radios and can share they work, but not well. These boat as best suited to a normal everyday two stick radios. You can get one from HobbyKing for less than $30 including the receiver.
You will not be able to control the sails properly with a pistol grip... See the attached picture. Just do it and you will be very glad you did. Promise.
You will have a lot more fun with some decent wind to sail in. But learning to sail in light winds is good practice. You have to learn to catch the wind in the sails and when to tighten and loosen the sails. I will try to find you a simple introduction to sailing which will give you an idea of how sails translate wind to movement.
Tip: when you turn turn the boat, you should have enough speed to complete the turn, if you don't the boat will stall. Another tip: Turn in the direction the sails are pointing. (general rule)
Glad you are enjoying you new boat.
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The next suggestion - pistol grip radios are not well suited for sailing!!!! I have lots of pistol grip radios and can share they work, but not well. These boat as best suited to a normal everyday two stick radios. You can get one from HobbyKing for less than $30 including the receiver.
You will not be able to control the sails properly with a pistol grip... See the attached picture. Just do it and you will be very glad you did. Promise.
You will have a lot more fun with some decent wind to sail in. But learning to sail in light winds is good practice. You have to learn to catch the wind in the sails and when to tighten and loosen the sails. I will try to find you a simple introduction to sailing which will give you an idea of how sails translate wind to movement.
Tip: when you turn turn the boat, you should have enough speed to complete the turn, if you don't the boat will stall. Another tip: Turn in the direction the sails are pointing. (general rule)
Glad you are enjoying you new boat.
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08-24-2011, 09:52 AM
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Viper
The next suggestion - pistol grip radios are not well suited for sailing!!!! I have lots of pistol grip radios and can share they work, but not well. These boat as best suited to a normal everyday two stick radios. You can get one from HobbyKing for less than $30 including the receiver.
You will not be able to control the sails properly with a pistol grip... See the attached picture. Just do it and you will be very glad you did. Promise.
You will have a lot more fun with some decent wind to sail in. But learning to sail in light winds is good practice. You have to learn to catch the wind in the sails and when to tighten and loosen the sails. I will try to find you a simple introduction to sailing which will give you an idea of how sails translate wind to movement.
Tip: when you turn turn the boat, you should have enough speed to complete the turn, if you don't the boat will stall. Another tip: Turn in the direction the sails are pointing. (general rule)
Glad you are enjoying you new boat.
Windchaser/Boomer
Viper
The next suggestion - pistol grip radios are not well suited for sailing!!!! I have lots of pistol grip radios and can share they work, but not well. These boat as best suited to a normal everyday two stick radios. You can get one from HobbyKing for less than $30 including the receiver.
You will not be able to control the sails properly with a pistol grip... See the attached picture. Just do it and you will be very glad you did. Promise.
You will have a lot more fun with some decent wind to sail in. But learning to sail in light winds is good practice. You have to learn to catch the wind in the sails and when to tighten and loosen the sails. I will try to find you a simple introduction to sailing which will give you an idea of how sails translate wind to movement.
Tip: when you turn turn the boat, you should have enough speed to complete the turn, if you don't the boat will stall. Another tip: Turn in the direction the sails are pointing. (general rule)
Glad you are enjoying you new boat.
Windchaser/Boomer
I actually havea Fly Sky TH9X stick radiofor my planes and I originally setup the Monsoon with it which I bench tested.I then setup the Monsoon on theFly Sky GT3B pistol radio for bench testing as well. Please note that I also use my GT3B onmy 3 gas boats.Both bench testing using two large electric fans yielded me the same results from both radios. I decided to go with the GT3B so that way I would not have to carry 2 radios when I go boating. The GT3B pistol grip radio now operates 4 boats and 6 land models. When I fly I definitely use the stick as I need the extra channels. Please enlighten meor clarify whatI am missing orwhat I should be looking for.
As for the sailing tip , thanks much! I am slowly finding out the things that you are talking about!
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I understand about using the one radio. You'll have to trust me on this one. Once you start using the stick radio at the pond you will quickly understand why it is the only way togo. Right stick is for the sail, left for the rudder.
I have to head out now but will get back to you later today with more information.
Winchaser/Boomer
I understand about using the one radio. You'll have to trust me on this one. Once you start using the stick radio at the pond you will quickly understand why it is the only way togo. Right stick is for the sail, left for the rudder.
I have to head out now but will get back to you later today with more information.
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08-24-2011, 10:48 AM
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Boomer,
Its the way I had it.
Stick Radio / Pistol Grip
Left Stick = Rudder /Wheel= Rudder
Right Stick = Sails / Trigger = Sails
I had the same results. I will wait for your explanation.
Cheers for now. I am clocking out to go to thepond.
Its the way I had it.
Stick Radio / Pistol Grip
Left Stick = Rudder /Wheel= Rudder
Right Stick = Sails / Trigger = Sails
I had the same results. I will wait for your explanation.
Cheers for now. I am clocking out to go to thepond.
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Boomer,
Its the way I had it.
Stick Radio / Pistol Grip
Left Stick = Rudder / Wheel = Rudder
Right Stick = Sails / Trigger = Sails
I had the same results. I will wait for your explanation.
Cheers for now. I am clocking out to go to the pond.
Boomer,
Its the way I had it.
Stick Radio / Pistol Grip
Left Stick = Rudder / Wheel = Rudder
Right Stick = Sails / Trigger = Sails
I had the same results. I will wait for your explanation.
Cheers for now. I am clocking out to go to the pond.
Manny
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The left stick is for sail control - down is all the way in and up lets the sails out. The right stick is for the rudder. Left for left and right for right. I have some files to send you but they are too big to attach. The documents will provide you with some sailing basics. Send me a PM with your e-mail address so I can send you these files.
If you choose to use the pistol grip for sailing, you are shooting yourself in the foot and limiting yourself.
The left stick is for sail control - down is all the way in and up lets the sails out. The right stick is for the rudder. Left for left and right for right. I have some files to send you but they are too big to attach. The documents will provide you with some sailing basics. Send me a PM with your e-mail address so I can send you these files.
If you choose to use the pistol grip for sailing, you are shooting yourself in the foot and limiting yourself.
You won't see good RC sailors using a pistol grip radio. Sailing is like flying, not like driving a car or power boat. The trigger provides no tactile sense to your finger tips and the wheel just doesn't cut it for sailing.
You don't fly your planes with a pistol grip, and candidly, you are wasting you time trying to learn sail properly using one.
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I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
My view is sailboats are better sailed with a stick style radio. I don't know how many RC sailors there are out there, but of them my guess would be that the vast majority of them use stick radios. To be clear I am not saying that rc sailboats can'tbe sailed with pistol grip radios, they can but just not as well. 
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08-24-2011, 10:07 PM
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I sailed for three hours yesterday.I learned a few tricks.I didn’t stall as much on the last two hours. I can get to speed.The last hour got worse as the wind got stronger.I snapped off the wheels and a couple of the deck fittings by it but I did not take on any water when the boat heeled as the little pegs remained glued to the hole.I had submarined the Monsoon 3 times all the way to the jib with the wind coming directly from the stern for 10 seconds then surface up cleanly to continue its course.It was an eyeful experience that I have seen my Rio 51 do a couple of times.
Viper there is no difference, as long as you are getting full travel on your rudder and sail control you will be just fine. We have a couple of sailors out here in Cali who prefer the setup that you are using.
Manny
Manny
Thanks Manny.I know it works.My trigger finger is tired but it should be as I only stopped twice in the 3 hours to check for water leakage into the hull.I just simply pulled the rubber plug off to check and it was clear of water.
Viper
The left stick is for sail control - down is all the way in and up lets the sails out. The right stick is for the rudder. Left for left and Right for right I have some files to send you but they are too big to attach. The documents will provide you with some sailing basics. Send me a PM with your e-mail address so I can send you these files.
If you choose to use the pistol grip for sailing, you are shooting yourself in the foot and limiting yourself.
The left stick is for sail control - down is all the way in and up lets the sails out. The right stick is for the rudder. Left for left and Right for right I have some files to send you but they are too big to attach. The documents will provide you with some sailing basics. Send me a PM with your e-mail address so I can send you these files.
If you choose to use the pistol grip for sailing, you are shooting yourself in the foot and limiting yourself.
You won't see good RC sailors using a pistol grip radio. Sailing is like flying, not like driving a car or power boat. The trigger provides no tactile sense to your finger tips and the wheel just doesn't cut it for sailing.
You don't fly your planes with a pistol grip, and candidly, you are wasting your time trying to learn sail properly using one.
Windchaser
Boomer,
It’s exactly how I have it set up originally.CH2 Sail - Throttle UP to let the Sail Out and throttle Down to pull the Sail In. CH1 Rudder – Left for left and Right for Right.
As I have mentioned to you I have only bench tested the stick set.The only difference between the two and YES there is a difference is the # of channel that may be required to PILOT a PLANE or a BOAT and so the stick was the chosen format as well as it is also the Original Transmitter Format that was a take-off from flying the old stick control planes.The Pistol Grip Transmitter followed which was preferred by the land model enthusiasts.
The only real advantage of using the Stick Radio is on CH2 where one can simply SET AND LEAVE the throttle or sail anywhere between 0 and 100% like a CRUISE CONTROL in a car.This is the only real advantage of the stick format over the pistol grip format.This feature alone allows the hobbyist to have his left hand free to grab a beer and his right hand for chips for as long as he wants till he chooses to drop the refreshments and go back to playing.
FYI!The spring on the trigger of the pistol grip radio can be removed so that it can operate like a stick radio.