abufletcher

Why? You're going to have to modify the stock UC anyway to add the suspension and really it's just a couple of pieces of music wire. But maybe you could make both and use the BUSA gear as "training wheels."

summerwind

training wheels you say?...well you got me there.
i know the UC doesn't look right, but it will offset the balloons that it's riding on for now

1bruno

Man are we still talking about wheels. the easiest and most cost effective
this is to go with the Dubro, Cuyt the back side out to flatten it, put linen covering over them and fly. Dont worry about the weight. You will need to modify your subwing assembly and use bungies for some travel. My Dr1 has gone through a many of hard landings (we have blacktop not grass) so I have repaired and re- repaired the subwing, landing struts several times. I would also think about going electric for your bird!!!!! they make great sound modules and the electric motors are fantastic!!!!!!! Get one with a low KV and you will be able to throw a large prop. I am making two 1/4 MR pups as well as finishing up this GTM DVI and BOTH will be electric!!!!

Also make sure you strengthen up your cabane and innter plane struts for those endovers........ The struts seem to go through the upper wing attachment points when that happens.

The Laser V200 twin is a great motor but for the price you have to pay there are other options out there that will motor that puppy around at 1/2 the cost. That will give you more money to scale out your bird..... The GTM fabric as you will see is not cheap compared to the Solartex. With the fabric you need to take into count the weight factor as you have the weight of the fabric and the dope. When that dope goes on, all your doing coat by coat is adding excess weight.

I love it and it look fantastic on my 1/3 bird. One more thing, ther eis NOTHING wrong with 1/3 size airplanes. YOu can make then travel friendly you jsut need to think before you build thats all......
Happy building my friend
Glen B.

summerwind

nah me and Don are way past wheels............

we're pickin on the rudder at this point[X(]

building a GTM 1/4 DR1 is worthy of a Laser 200V..............

abufletcher

Or a Seidel...which is only a couple hundred more. And yeah, we're done with the wheels on the BUSA build. Dubros. Or whatever. But just try to put Dubros on that GTM model...I dare you!

deljon

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When I build my GTM 1/4 Dr.1, I will probably go with the Saito 30 gasser.

Del

abufletcher

MY??? Why do you think the Saito might be a good choice?

jtisch

We are not done with the wheels yet! If you are going to modify wheels, modify the MR wheels.

summerwind

Dubros will get a workout on the USA build, and i think with the UC as laid out, they will make it look right well for what it is.

the GTM DR1 we will get real serious.
i've been chatting back and forth with Glenn, but haven't touched on the wheels yet.

deljon

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Howdy Don..........Fuel cost compaired to nito comes to mind. The sound is awsome.
I once had a 1/4 Flair Dr.1 (14 1/2lbs.) with a Saito 180, was way more power than needed,
usually flew between 1/3 and 1/2 throttle.
So I figure (just my unscientific opinion), if you keep the plane say between 14 & 16 lbs the
30cc Saito should do the job quite well.
I have the Saito 36 gasser in a BUSA 1/4 DVII (19lbs dry), in my opinion a match made in heaven [sm=thumbs_up.gif].
Takeoff at about 2/3 throttle, good scale level flight at 1/2, just increase some to climb and play.
I'm sold on them, but that's just me.





Del

summerwind

Don,
do you have a front view on the DR1?

or is one posted in your thread?

abufletcher

Here's a slice from the Nieto drawings.

abufletcher

Saitos have a good rep here in Japan (except for the 82 and the FG-14 which is based on the 82 crankcase) and I sure like the rear carb arrangement on the Saito gassers. They're a bit pricey though. I might be more tempted by say the DLE 30.

summerwind

excellent..........many thx.
yep, gotta work on the UC of this plane. it's definately setup for the toddlers

vmsguy

I have been contemplating a Dr.1 build. Currently the BUSA version strikes my fancy. (BUSA headquarters is a few hours drive, thought I'd take a trip/tour.)

But I have hesitated.

It seems like every time I read threads on scale planes, the talk dives into such in-depth detail, tire size, rudder size, and heaven save us.. what's the correct lozenge pattern.

I want to build a plane to fly. Not to argue over details that you can't see or measure or differentiate when the plane is over 5 feet away.

Don't get me wrong, I admire and applaud those willing to apply such passion to their chosen hobby.

But to be honest, I feel like if I were to build a Dr.1, I'd get laughed off the field because it wasn't scale enough. That the guns weren't weathered, properly. That the prop wasn't the right size, that the lettering wasn't the right font or size. And why isn't there a fully operational cockpit built in.

So, tell me, would I get chastized off the forum, if I chose to buy a BUSA Dr.1 and build it basically "stock"... ?

Would I be chastized for the thought of building it with electric power?

Would I be stoned for sacrilige, if I covered/painted it in something original. (Trust me, WWI style, no pink polka dots. ) Just not modeled after some photo somewhere.

Having said all that.. Is there room for a guy/modeler like me?

summerwind

not at all.
this board is about Scale and as scale as you want to get.
the level of detail is up to you.
my next detailed scale build will be GTM's 1/4 DR1, but as for now i am working on a BUSA DR1. i'm building some detail into it, but nothing that will take the fun out of the USA kit as it was meant to be built.
go to any WW1 warbird meet and you'll see quite a few BUSA planes on the scene.
this one will serve me well as a trainer for flying the WW1 model i am building next.

now at my field, there are very few if any scale planes on the scene.
my last 2 builds were the only 2 detailed models in the WW1 category, and a few of the members didn't know the difference from my N11 vs an ARF.
who cares what anyone thinks.
you build what you like and enjoy yourself which is what USA models do, they allow you to build and fly something that looks realistic in the air without the fear of destroying 2-3 years of hard work as you might put into a detailed replica of the same plane.

if you're interested, here is a link to the BUSA DR1 build that several guys joined in and some detailed theirs with simple easy to do mods,
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_23..._1/key_/tm.htm

abufletcher

Different people build differently for different reasons. I don't build to fly. I build (scale) to build (scale). I'd probably build even if I couldn't fly. But I do like building scale models that eventually will fly because it keeps me honest and forces me to come up with functional yet still scale solutions to modeling problems. And I build because it forces me to notice the "details" (and really it's ALL DETAIL) about the WWI aircraft that have always fascinated me. So building, for me, is almost a completely separate hobby from flying. But that's just me (and a few others).

I do like to fly. And I'm perfectly happy buying ARFs to keep me flying "in between" serious scale models. And since there really aren't more than a couple WWI ARFs (in a reasonable price range) I'm willing to "build my own ARF" from a nice kit. The BUSA kits are good, old-fashioned fun in a box...and there's nothing wrong with that.

Bear in mind this is the SCALE forum. If you head over the the KIT BUILDING forum, you'll find lots of folks who just enjoy the fun of building a kit straight out of the box. They love gluing balsa together. As far as being "laughed off the field." most guys at most fields couldn't tell a Fokker from a Sopwith (if it weren't for the crosses or roundels). So I just build for me.

Well, yes, there I'd have to draw the line. [sm=tired.gif]

Personally, I'm comfortable with the "artist license" approach where you pick and choose different features from different aircraft and combine them into one model. But the point of "scale modeling" is indeed scale modeling of an original aircraft. It would be an interesting intellectual exercise to create a "brand new" WWI design...sort of like Lou Proctor did with the Antic. But that's somehow different from scale modeling.

But in the end, each of us does what we want to do...because that's what's fun for us.

abufletcher

Oh, and thanks to that Flyboys movie we've now also got scale models of (non-scale) scale models. But, hey, if the guys in Hollywood can make up color combinations, then why not us???

summerwind

yeah that's what i feel like right now building the BUSA version...........
i'm enjoying it as BUSA really engineered this kit to be a fun quick build, but hardly a challenge.
by time i'm done and ready to fly it i'll be good and ready for GTM's DR1.
hard to stop droolin over the 1/3 build that Del did too.

abufletcher

Del's build of Glenn's DrI prototype is maybe one of the most beautiful sights I've ever seen. If the 1/4 scale kit is anything like this, it's going to be a MUST-HAVE item. I imagine there are already quite a few people "standing in line."

1bruno

Summer..... Remember if you want the 1/3 scale kit let me know. I think you should build that one you will not regret it. Its not that big you can transport it and store it.... Dels build was a good one its better to see the plane in person. Once you see one you have to have it. !!!!!!!!!!
GB

summerwind

that's something i am really thinking about.
this USA DR1 will serve as a fun flyer and trainer for sure.
keepin it light.
the DLE 30 should be a good powerplant

1bruno

The DL 30 is the perfect engine for any 1/4 plane. Cant wait to see her finished!!!!!!

abufletcher

I would just really love to see Glenn reduce every feature of his 1/3 scale kit down to 1/4 scale. I don't see any reason why that shouldn't be possible. The 1/3 scale model is impressive to say the least, but the costs (such as the larger engine) really add up. Plus there's just something special about 1/4 scale. That having been said, the DrI was a SMALL aircraft and at 1/6 scale it's TEENY and at 1/4 scale it's just "reasonable" so 1/3 isn't all that big.

summerwind

were the Sub-Wings (LG wing) fabric covered?
i don't have any Data file info at my disposal