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Old 03-19-2011, 05:48 AM
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Default Laird Super Solution

Would like to see if someone completed a large Super Solution..........I am working on one.
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Old 03-19-2011, 06:05 AM
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Nice work. What scale is it, 1/4? Is it scratch built or from plans? If plans, whose?

Sorry for the many questions, but you have a very interesting subject and there's a prototypical example very near you for reference.

I've been working on a scratch built 1/4 scale one, but haven't made the progress that you have.
Old 03-19-2011, 07:56 AM
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Yours looks 1/3 scale or so... I'd like to build the Laird Solution that Speed Holman flew- the black and gold one.
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the super solution is 40% scaled up from Effinger plans . (E-mail: [email protected]) I had John enlarge the 1/5th plans 100%
Old 06-04-2011, 04:00 AM
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The Super Solution is getting bigger.
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:18 AM
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Tom,
Good for you.....what a great project ! I've always loved this plane and actually bought a kit from Jack Devine Models a few years back but got stiffed as Jack never sent me the kit. I understand that Gerry from GMP is planning on releasing one later this year. Keep the pictures coming as we'll be watching this project with great interest.

Thanks and good flying,
paul
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Paul,
I have been accused to build unusual subjects, I think this falls in line.
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Old 06-04-2011, 06:02 PM
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Tom,
Unusual projects for sure. Probably wont find any Senior Cadets in your shop. I just maidened a Seagul Gee Bee Z for a friend the other day [sorry ..it's an ARF] but it isn't as pretty as yours. Love your Hawker and is that Koveral on the Laird ? Tell me the Laird is getting a radial and I'll really get jeolous !
Take care,
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Old 06-05-2011, 04:14 AM
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A very good project you have there. I would be curious as to the flight characteristic of this Laird because I was planning to build one of these in the near future. You look like you are doing a great job,what do you think the weight will be? and what engine are you going to use? Rick
Old 06-05-2011, 04:32 AM
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Yes the Laird is covered with Koverall and poly U and we dream a lot about that Moki
Old 06-05-2011, 04:35 AM
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all up weight should be around 50lbs....3W 150 power
Old 06-05-2011, 09:59 AM
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your SS looks great. one of my favorite biplanes out there.

Old 06-06-2011, 03:12 AM
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Folks, if you haven't already get the EAA book by Schmid and Weaver to read the test flight reports of the Laird SS as written by Jimmy Doolittle. Very interesting stuff!
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http://supersolutionproject.blogspot.com/ check this out . im sure you have seen this. real build.
Old 06-06-2011, 05:22 AM
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Very interesting. I have not seen this before. Thanx
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Has this project been completed? I have just been given a partialy completed Super Solution with a wingspan of 84"...

Alain

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Alain The Super Solution has been completed an test flown. Unfortunately it was destroyed and we are in the process of building a new one.
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Old 10-23-2013, 08:12 PM
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James S. Moss, the builder of these awesome projects... Laird SS and GeeBee Q.E.D, passed away Sept. 1, 2013. He belonged to the Society of Air Racing Historians and his membership number falls right after mine!
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Originally Posted by ARUP View Post
James S. Moss, the builder of these awesome projects... Laird SS and GeeBee Q.E.D, passed away Sept. 1, 2013. He belonged to the Society of Air Racing Historians and his membership number falls right after mine!
that is such a shame, it was great to see such fine craftsmanship go into an ancestral design. going way back some of my ancestors went to the US some went to Australia and some to UK (London)
I only found this out through search and tracking.
I have always had the urge to fly and build model aircraft. and never knew why. but I believe I found out why, its in my blood.
James S. Moss was a master at building these and I take my hat off to him.
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Wow, I recall this thread from way back.. Never knew the plane was flown and crashed.. and then to find out the Craftsman is gone too. A sad ending to a thread I was excited to see pop up...
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Wow, I recall this thread from way back.. Never knew the plane was flown and crashed.. and then to find out the Craftsman is gone too. A sad ending to a thread I was excited to see pop up...
Foodstick, You're getting it wrong. They are talking about James Moss passing away, the builder of a full scale Super Solution Replica. The one that is currently owned by Kermit Weeks that is located at Fantasy of Flight. They are not talking about the modeler on this thread passing away. But unfortunately the comment on the model being destroyed is accurate. Leo
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The Moss super solution is in the EAA Museum IIRC!
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The Moss super solution is in the EAA Museum IIRC!
Is it?

Here is a quote copied from the Fantasy of Flight web site:

"Kermitís Comments Jim Moss of Washington state built this aircraft, and it is the only flying example of its kind. The only other Super Solution is on display at the EAA Museum in Oshkosh, WI, and is a non-flying reproduction."

Here are the comments from the EAA Museum web site on their replica:

"Association and EAA Chapter 17 in Knoxville, Tennessee. In 1974, with help from EAA headquarters, members of the two groups obtained the remains of the Laird Super Solution from the Smithsonian Institutionís National Air and Space Museum in Washington, D.C., where it had been stored since 1948. The groupís initial goal was a full restoration, but it quickly became apparent that restoring the incomplete and badly damaged airplane would be impossible. They decided to build a replica. Major components were built in Florida and in 1979 the replica was moved to the EAA Museum (then in Hales Corners, Wisconsin) for completion. The finished project was unveiled at EAA Oshkosh 1981 with pilot Jimmy Doolittle and designer Mattie Laird reunited for the occasion."

Regardless of the builders, they are both beautiful airplanes! Leo

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Originally Posted by Spychalla Aircraft View Post
Is it?

Here is a quote copied from the Fantasy of Flight web site:

"Kermitís Comments Jim Moss of Washington state built this aircraft, and it is the only flying example of its kind. The only other Super Solution is on display at the EAA Museum in Oshkosh, WI, and is a non-flying reproduction."

Here are the comments from the EAA Museum web site on their replica:

"Association and EAA Chapter 17 in Knoxville, Tennessee. In 1974, with help from EAA headquarters, members of the two groups obtained the remains of the Laird Super Solution from the Smithsonian Institutionís National Air and Space Museum in Washington, D.C., where it had been stored since 1948. The groupís initial goal was a full restoration, but it quickly became apparent that restoring the incomplete and badly damaged airplane would be impossible. They decided to build a replica. Major components were built in Florida and in 1979 the replica was moved to the EAA Museum (then in Hales Corners, Wisconsin) for completion. The finished project was unveiled at EAA Oshkosh 1981 with pilot Jimmy Doolittle and designer Mattie Laird reunited for the occasion."

Regardless of the builders, they are both beautiful airplanes! Leo
thanks for the clarification

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