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Old 04-03-2011, 10:38 AM
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I have been looking for away to apply a lozenge pattern to cotton fabric for sometime now. I have been able to apply thelozenge patternto coverings like Solartex for quite awhile, but it had its problems as well.
I am starting this thread to see if there would be any interest in 1/4 scale and smaller lozenge fabric. I have no idea what the cost would be at this time, but it is safe to say it will be a good bit more than a roll of iron on fabric. It will also need to be applied with a dope type finish.
I think I have finally found away to get the lozenge pattern on to cotton fabrics. Mind you, I am still in the testing and development stages- it will be many, many months before I wil be able to offer tis fabric to modellers.
I have been testing 100% cotton fabrics, both plain cotton and muslin. Muslin is a 100% cotton but it is made and finished differently. So far I much prefer the plain cotton over the muslin, but I think the muslin will shrink better.
Here are some photos of my results so far. I have applied the cotton lozenge fabric to my 1/4 D.Va rudder whch is made using aluminum and brass tubing.

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Old 04-03-2011, 01:51 PM
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I might be interested. When will you be able to send out some samples of it?
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Old 04-03-2011, 02:10 PM
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Jan,
I can send you a sample of the 5 color upper surface like I used in the previous post to cover the rudder. Just PM me your mailing address.
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Old 04-03-2011, 05:53 PM
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This looks very encouraging! There are lots of us who are going to be very interested in how you make out.

Good luck,

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Thanks Martin,
I too am very interested how this will turn out:. Sometimes one thinks there would be a demand for something when actually there is only curiosity. Hopefully there will be enough demand to make it worth wild.

Have a Grand Day!
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Old 04-04-2011, 04:32 AM
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With GTM stuff in 1/4 not being made anymore, you would become about the only game in town. The question becomes cost for most, when it becomes changing from window shopper to buyer; the attitude/value is different from someone with a $1000 Proctor kit to a $300 BUSA one for the most part. Would it be done in large roles or strips?
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Yes, the cost may deter some modelers, but I will try and keep it within reason. The one thing I will be able to do is make different scale sizes.
The fabric will be made in scale size which would be 12.5" wide for 1/4 scale and I am hoping to make it as long as 96". I guess you would say it was in strips when compared to the usual roll of model covering.

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Here are a few more photos. The fisrt photo shows the lozenge soaking in water, in the second photo the lozenge is soaking in MEK.

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I find this very exciting. Particularily the soaking in MEK picture. Dope Proof!!!!!
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I find this very exciting. Particularily the soaking in MEK picture. Dope Proof!!!!!

Are you using dope as a noun or an adjective Dave?
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Just a little update.
I have created a video on YouTube showing how I applied lozenge fabric to my 1/4 scale rudder. I removed the previous piece that is shown in the earlier photos, which I applied with Stix-It. The video shows how I applied the "wet" lozenge fabric using contact adhesive. It worked really well. The wet fabric is easier to pull and stretch into place and as the fabric dries it it will naturally shink and draw tight. Enjoy, but remember I am no video maker.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC15XLG81YA

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Yes, very interested in this stuff. The GTM fabric was $20 a bolt, 18 for the 4 color. I forgot how many it took to do my DVII, but I was close to $300 when I was done. It was worth it, I believe.
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Oscar Oscar!!!!

I guess Toledo booth for next year
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Only if you will be my booth babe.

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Heck Yeah!!! Bikini and all!
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Hi Gary- can't wait for you to offer this fabric for sale!
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This is very cool. I have used the GTM lozenge fabric in the past and like the way it looks very much. I dont know if it will continue to be produced however so I am interested in alternate supplies. Add me to the list of prospective buyers.  And the tests look very promising so far. Nice work.

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Gary, I found your video very imformative...good idea with the 3M-77 spray! I think that will hold up well in time also.

I too have been experimenting with printing on Solartex with a 54" wide-format solvent printer, the inks seem to bond well on Solatex.
After much research and contact with Dan San Abbott and Jim Kiger at Replicraft I feel I have the best possible color references and chips to match my lozenge inks to. Now I need to nail down the correct color tonality as you seem to have done...lots of color matching coming up the next few weeks!

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Mein Duff,
Be careful with the solvent ink printer and make sure you have the pre and post heaters turned off when you run Solartex through it! The problem I found with printed Solartex was the heat required to shrink it along with the iron pressure would tend to scratch and lift the ink. I have often wondered how a UV printer would hold adhere to Solartex. I spoke with Balsa USA yesterday and they too are developing a new printed lozenge Solartex.

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I too have been experimenting with printing on Solartex with a 54'' wide-format solvent printer, the inks seem to bond well on Solatex.
After much research and contact with Dan San Abbott and Jim Kiger at Replicraft I feel I have the best possible color references and chips to match my lozenge inks to. Now I need to nail down the correct color tonality as you seem to have done...lots of color matching coming up the next few weeks!
And what about those border areas, Eric! Having seen your mind-blowingly meticulous work on the SE5a I can't imagine you'd be leaving out the different colored border lines!
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I'm not Eric, but I want to know what border lines are you speaking of? pictures please.
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Gary, here's the picture of the Lozenge fabric I was talking about. The fabric is from a plane that was shot down. Sorry I didn't get the Info in the pic but I was more concerned with the fabric.

Everyone can judge for themselves as to the "register" of the colors etc. To me there doesn't appear to be much of a noticable edge around each color.
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Yes, I'm puzzled by that also??!! Abu, I assume you are talking about the various rib tape colors maybe??....it was common that they used scap pieces to fill in some areas and the patterns ran in different directons on the ailerones sometimes for example...but not aware of any "border lines". Research on the lozenge application reveals so many exceptions, mixing 5 color with 4 color was common also[:-]

Gary, thanks for the heads up on the Solartex heat / scratch issue..I'm aware of that but I'm sure there is a solution.

Yes "UV cured" like on the new flat bed printers would probaly be the best solution.
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Ther were no intentional edges on the lozenges...there was a neccessary color overlap of 3-5 mm to compensate for fabric shifting.
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I think Abu is talking about the lines BETWEEN the colors. There are reports of darker edges around each color. The example I posted doesn't really demonstrate this much if any.

And as a reference I must say.. you can't get much gooder than the real deal!

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