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Old 03-13-2013, 01:32 PM
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I've looked at Mick Reeves' wheels for a while now and decided on a set of 7" wheels for my Nieuport 17 (see: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1840714 ). They arrived today, just 8 days after ordering them - not bad for a trans-Atlantic shipment. Figuring that others are curious about these, I thought I'd show what you get.

Two things were important to me - the correct diameter and reasonable weight. The N.17 had 700 X 100mm wheels - or 700 X 80 or 650 X 80 or 650 X 100 depending on your documentation! I chose to go with the 700mm size which converts to 175mm in 1/4 scale - Mick's 7" wheels are exactly 175mm.. The tires are 20mm across, a scale 80mm. Perfect.
The weight of all the parts is just over 16oz.. I don't know what the Dubro 7" wheels weigh, but the 9.33" wheels are 40oz. a pair. That suggests to me that the 7" wheels would be pretty weighty.

The hubs are made of two substantial disks of a tough plastic, spaced with nylon spacers and bolted together. All the holes seem to be laser cut and needed to have bits popped out , (minor task). The hubs bolted together in about 10 minutes. The tires are a solid rubber compound that will need to be glued to the hub with CA. I'll use a flexible compound to avoid tearing it. The axle rides in a thick walled aluminum tubing.

The cones are vacu-formed plastic with traces of spokes molded in around the hub. There is an outer and inner cone rather than even dishing on both sides.

All in all, they look pretty good, and I'll probably be buying more from Mick's line of wheels.

Martin
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Old 03-13-2013, 02:19 PM
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Default RE: Mick Reeves wheels

I'm a bit shocked by the "build it yourself" hubs. A set of his wheels came with my Strutter kit and they weren't like this. I'll post a photo later.
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http://shop.dubro.com/p/vintage-whee...t_tires-wheels
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Default RE: Mick Reeves wheels

Here are the 7" wheels ("1/4 scale") wheels that came with my MR Strutter kit. Maybe this type of wheel is no longer available from his supplier.
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Old 03-14-2013, 04:44 AM
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ORIGINAL: Nieuport nut
There is an outer and inner cone rather than even dishing on both sides.
The reflects the British Palmer Aero Tyres with a markedly raised "cone" on the outside and nearly flat on the inside (with a total of 64 spokes). The German/French Continental tires had a less pronounced hub shape...perhaps a bit more like the WB wheels. One nice thing about the MR wheels is that the tyre width has the proper width relative the hub diameter.
Old 03-14-2013, 05:13 AM
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The MR wheels are nice. I have a few sets. Too bad gray tyres aren't made. It is easy enough to make wheels, too.
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I wonder if he would sell just the rubber for making your own. I never like the tire splice with the hose ones. The white ones are the ones that came in my Camel kit. The new ones look like he makes them himself instead of having a supplier who probably wants orders in the 1000s.
Old 03-14-2013, 06:45 AM
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Peter: thanks for the link - looks like the Dubros are actually lighter @14oz. pair for about the same price. They would be very solid but there would need to be a lot of work to put into the covers. Also, I'm curious about the tire thickness. Certainly my 1/3 scale versions are practically balloon sections.

Don: Curious that the kit versions are so different for exactly the same size. My documentation selection suggests that at least some French wheels had equal dishing. Interestingly, my outer cones have just 15 spoke markings - 1 short for 64 spoke wheels! (What kind of geek counts the spokes??!)

Arup: I've made a number of smaller wheels using a similar construction - although you have dealt with the "spoke show" . The challenge is usually finding good tires that stay "inflated". I've used neoprene chord but that is sometimes had to find in our sizes. I got my last 1" size from Portmere Rubber in the UK.

TFF: I was thinking the same thing. Probably tires would cost half the cost of the kit. Mick offers a lot of different sizes so It may not be worthwhile.

Martin
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Continental was a single aero tire company prior to the outbreak of the war which then split into separate German and French companies. But the tires they produced were essentially the same. And as you state there wasn't a pronounced "cone" on either side. In this regard the WB wheels are closer. The (small) Flair wheels and the MR wheels are made to represent the British Palmer tyre. Here's a link to an "all wheels all the time" comparison thread I did a few years ago that touches on some of these same issues:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_31...tm.htm#3197779

I might recommend you make your own "hub covers" with a flatter profile. It wouldn't be that hard.
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BTW, best way to get grey tires? Start out with white ones!!! The way I figure it, these WB wheels should be just about perfect when it's time to transfer them to my Albatros CI. Is WB now making their white tired wheels in the larger size? I seem to recall they were preparing to produce 1/3 scale wheels.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:00 AM
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Looks like a new wheel to me. I have a couple of pairs of the white spoke wheels and I found the wheels to go soft in hot weather and deform. The 1/3 scale wheels are either a little two big at 10" or too small at 8 1/2". At least for British type models. Just my two cents worth.
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Hi Don, Still no WB 1/3 WW1 wheels! I keep getting updates from him and the latest says he is close to producing the British wheels. It has been a ridiculous exercise in how not to get in over your head when offering a product to the public. I really hope they are what we all expect if or when they are finally in production.
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I have several sets of the 7" tires (actually 7-1/8") and they were the white-plastic spoked buggy wheels and the ABS covers were white. I also bought a pair of 6" wheels for my Ponnier and they had plywood hubs/wheels that you assemble. I cut down the white spokes and hub area and used the inside cover for the outside and made my own cover for the inside for my DRI.
PS: Two things 1. I don't know whether its my camera or just the angle I shot the photo at, but the tire looks kind of fat. it doesn't look that way IRL. 2. I need to clean my DRI!
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:25 AM
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McMaster-Carr offers neoprene cord in various densities. It is a dark gray color. Don't get the #12975k series... too dense (heavy). Ask me how I know. [] I am going to order the less dense stuff soon. It's easier to hide the seam using this than it is with the tubing.
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Guys,



that is so not correct..



In Germany, the rims and tires were standardized.



3 sizes were used and determined by the total weight



The sizes of the tire and the rim are documented in lists and in the drawings, the base is always the spoked.

Greetings Matz

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What were the three sizes?

BTW, here's an interesting discussion on the Aerodrome:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/re...aft-tyres.html
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    [*]width and bore of the hub[*]width of the tires and tire diameter[*]Outside diameter and width of the rim[*]Type / page track[*]Number of spokes in the field / wheel / strength.[*]bearing bushes[/list]The discussion in the TAD forum was not so helpful, there were only many speculations.
    It is always better to work with the original documents.

    greetings


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Matz:
I am aware of the basic 3 sizes - the widely used 760 X 100, and the less common 700X100 (Fokker DrI IIRC) and the 800 X 100 used on the early Albatros fighters (DI & DII). Is that it? I would have thought the larger two seaters (ie G series aircraft) might have used larger ones.

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Martin,
we didn't have wheels with straight diameters andthe assignment of the groups is more complex.
For example, the B - types resist a loading of 3600 kg with a total weight of about 1200 kg.
D-types 3000kg / 1000kg and 3600kg / 1200kg, C - types 4800kg / 1600 kg and 5600kg / 1650kg.G - types 5600kg / 3700kg and 5600kg / 3700 kg ( different hubs, rims, tyres), J - types 5600kg / 1900kg.
The French aircraft have Significantly simple dividers.

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