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Old 11-30-2013, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by vertical grimmace
Looking at the fuse plans. it is about 78" long. It might not be to tough to add the extra length. The hard part is figuring out where it is short! That would take some work.
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I have done a couple of calculations on the scale size. It appears to me that the fuse length is very close. The full scale aircraft had a wingspan of 543.25", the fuselage length was 426". divide this by 5, just to get it closer to size, and the dimensions of the model would be 108.6" span, and 85.2" length. The wingspan of this model is 100", so if you subtract the 8" from the fuse length, I get 76.6" . The exact scale of this model really does not matter. It just has to true to itself. I think I will leave it alone based on this.
Hey vg. I am not a math scientist by any stretch, but I figured your fuse. length should be 78.42" with your wingspan at 100". From post 136 you said it is about 78". Seems right on.
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Originally Posted by kwblake
Hey vg. I am not a math scientist by any stretch, but I figured your fuse. length should be 78.42" with your wingspan at 100". From post 136 you said it is about 78". Seems right on.
It is close enough. I think there may be a difference between the B model and the D model.This may be where the length issue arises.
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Stab with elevators sheeted. Will have 2 servos driving the elevator halves, so no need for the joiner wire. Fin and rudder next, then most likely the wing. I need to order my landing gear. I have been leaning toward the Robarts. Unless I can be convinced otherwise.
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Old 11-30-2013, 03:37 PM
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The 1:1 Stuka had a length of 36ft. 1 in. 12 x 36 = 432+1 =433" NOT 426. The D model was longer in the front , due to a larger engine being used. the D had a length of 37 ft. 9 in. @ 2.25 " scale this would be 84.937" model length.
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There seem to be discrepancies with the dimensions depending on the source. Also, yo uhave to match the wing size relative to the fuselage length. I do not think this model is a true scale, but a tweener. At 1/5th scale it would have a 108.6" wing. This model has a 100 in wing.
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I believe the Ziroli plans state a scale of 2.25 " = 1 ft. At least the set of plans I have stated that. 2.25" is 1/5.3 scale not 1/5. Yes, there are differences in some of the stated specs in various books, but only about 4" in the length. That's 1/3 of a ft. or at 2.25" scale it would be .75"(3/4").

I will be quiet now, the horse seems to be dead.

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It's OK Tuna, I think we might be missing each other a little. If you divide the wing by 5.3, then it comes out bigger than 100". So does the fuse length. When you compare the wings size to the fuselage size, they are right on, so there is no proportion issue. The actual scale of the plane does not matter, so long as it is right with itself. But yest, it is really a non issue now, because I am not gonna make any changes.

Here is the fin, sheeted, and the rudder almost ready to sheet. Gotta put the blocks in to accept the hinge points. Moving right along though. I will start the wing tomorrow.

I suppose I should get the gear on order.
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Old 11-30-2013, 09:46 PM
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Placed an order with Robart for the main struts and the tail wheel assembly. Robart is having a sale right now, so that saved about $25. I have some ideas on the strut mounts. I am planning to laminate 1/4" ply to a solid chunk of maple, carved to match the curvature of the airfoil. It would seem any issue with the landing gear, would start with the way it is mounted.
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Ok, here is the sheeted rudder and fin. Need to add some 1/8" sq. hardwood to TE of rudder, but I will finish up all of the fine details of the tail components when I go to install them.



I have changed my mind (again! lol) and decided to start with the Fuselage. Mainly because after reading through the instruction notes, that is where they go next. Plus, I want to have my landing gear struts handy, in case I need them for the wing. I do not want to get stuck in the middle without the struts, and not be able to proceed. Plus, there have been complaints about Robarts service, so until they show up, I do not want to have to be slowed down by slow deliveries.

I have a question. What are your favorite pins to use when sheeting? Just T pins? I never liked the big holes that T pins make. Then I have a bunch of straight pins, but they are a pain to push in. Considering I have a ton of sheeting ahead of me, I would like to find something better here.
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Old 12-01-2013, 08:55 AM
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Also, on another note, There is a new company here. www.cockpitscale.com They claim that they will have a cockpit kit available soon, possibly a week. Looks interesting. If it does not end up looking good, I will just get the D balsa kit, but I would prefer to not have to use vacuum formed styrene. I already have the Inzpan dash, and an MG 15 tail gun (which is really sweet by the way!) So I just need the rest of the interior bits. Seats, radio, stick, side panels, etc. If this new company does a good job, maybe I will be the first to use their kit in this design?
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here's a pic of my rendition of the stuka radio trans. & recvr.
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ED, looking good...especially for a Geezer....LOL
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Yes, that looks very good! Maybe I should just have you build my cockpit! lol Just kidding.
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Originally Posted by vertical grimmace
Ok, here is the sheeted rudder and fin. Need to add some 1/8" sq. hardwood to TE of rudder, but I will finish up all of the fine details of the tail components when I go to install them.



I have changed my mind (again! lol) and decided to start with the Fuselage. Mainly because after reading through the instruction notes, that is where they go next. Plus, I want to have my landing gear struts handy, in case I need them for the wing. I do not want to get stuck in the middle without the struts, and not be able to proceed. Plus, there have been complaints about Robarts service, so until they show up, I do not want to have to be slowed down by slow deliveries.

I have a question. What are your favorite pins to use when sheeting? Just T pins? I never liked the big holes that T pins make. Then I have a bunch of straight pins, but they are a pain to push in. Considering I have a ton of sheeting ahead of me, I would like to find something better here.

Hey vg. I have used these. They work, and are a little smaller dia. than "T pins". http://www.midwestproducts.com/store...Grip_Pins.aspx
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good that you're just kidding cause we probably would never agree on what scale to use . lol
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I went ahead and ordered some of those pins. Here is about as far as I got this weekend. Going very smooth.Getting ready to do the front end formers and plywood sides and tank box. After that will be the stringers! I love doing stringers. One thing,I am gonna need that tail wheel assembly soon. Hopefully it shows up this week.
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you are aware that the floor in the radio operators/gunner compartment is lower than the pilots?
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I remember seeing that somewhere. I will keep that in mind as I move forward. They will be a point where I will have to start focusing on details such as those, as I have not been studying this aircraft that much. I want to add a good amount of detail, but bear in mind, the nature of the scale rules in the US does not require the same level as FAI.
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Gosh, are you saying that if you know It's there you don't feel an overwhelming desire to replicate it?
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Hey vg. In photos #1 and 2, outside your shop door, its green. Outside my shop door, its white......... Just jealous........
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Originally Posted by tunakuts3d
Gosh, are you saying that if you know It's there you don't feel an overwhelming desire to replicate it?
Dang Tuna, If I tried to replicate all of those details you have sent me, we would be here a long time! I think I will go as far as I need to, and then I always end up going a little further! That should be enough. It is about impression, not exact duplication.

Yes, we are having a fabulous Fall here. Has not snowed yet, at least not significantly. Probably could have flown the last 6 weekends. I haven't flown in a while though. Just trying to get shop squared away to get this project started. Looks like we have something coming within a day or so.
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have you looked at the FW190 build over on RCSB by Jeff http://www.rcscalebuilder.com/forum/....asp?TID=20274 probably should start at the last page and go back to see some phenomenal detail work. Inspiring is it not ?

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I will check it out.Gonna try to get some done tonight. I need to look closely at shortening the nose at the firewall. I would like to be able to use the stock stand offs for my engine.

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Originally Posted by tunakuts3d
have you looked at the FW190 build over on RCSB by Jeff http://www.rcscalebuilder.com/forum/....asp?TID=20274 probably should start at the last page and go back to see some phenomenal detail work. Inspiring is it not ?
That is some serious building there. A plane like that, I would not want to fly. Really amazing stuff. The ability to cast and machine all of those items would be nice as well. Also, the research done just to know what and where of all of those items.
Ok Tuna, do not expect that here! lol. I am just a mere mortal. I do want this Stuka to be an everyday flyer. Most of those little bits would shake off from my engine after about 20 flights!
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awwww just use some high quality glue, hysol maybe..


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