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Old 11-10-2009, 03:16 PM
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If you have not built a kit before, probably your Royal kit is too valuable to experiment . I remember the first few kit I put together turned on to really disater.
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foxx Date 11/10/2009 3:16 PM

If you have not built a kit before, probably your Royal kit is too valuable to experiment . I remember the first few kit I put together turned on to really disater.


I'll second that!!!

The Royal/Marutaka kits are definitely a "builders" kit in the intermediate to advanced level. There are numerous ways to mess them up during the build thus winding up with a finished but unflyable model.

With the raw Royal kits in good to excellent condition selling at $250-375.00, I don't think it would be a good candidate as a first build IMHO.
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I will be building with an expert builder I just want to see what is out there to learn before I start.

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In that case you should be in good hands and I would quote Adm. Farrugut and say, "D@$n the torpedos, full speed ahead!"

The link below has all sorts of great building tips and techniques with explanations and photos. The Royal kits with a fully sheeted build lend themselves well to all levels of detailing. I would encourage you to pre-carve and/or drill out as much of the excess balsa on the interior side of as many of the blocks of wood that you can prior to gluing stuff together. there was nearly 10oz that I was able to dremel away after the fact on my P-51. Know how the pieces fit before removing the material so that you don't take too much away or cut away from the wrong side. Above all, enjoy the process.

Please post photos of your build progress as well. I hope I speak for all here in that we like to see nice kits, nicely assembled, and hear stories of successful maiden and subsequent flights.

Cheers!

Added: forgot the link!!

http://tompierce.net/190/html/paint.htm
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frets24,


Thank you for your help. It will be a few months before we start but I will be researching during that time frame. I will post pictures during the process to get some tips on reducing the weight.



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Hi there I would just like to thank Frets for adding the link for "tompierce" very informative & just what I've been looking for.

I started a scratch build of a B17 from a set of Royal plans (78"wingspan) in February this year.I'm not a flyer I just like to mess with wood,my closest friend is and tried to get me interested but I settled for the build instead, not at all easy I might add but very very enjoyable.Got over a lot of problems by reading posts from you guys almost as interesting as the build.I have a problem at the moment with fitting air up & down retracts into the nacelles but I think I've solved that now by a bit of restructuring.anyway thanks again for the site information.


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If anyone is interested in pictures I will upload some.
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lippo Date 11/12/2009 11:09 AM

If anyone is interested in pictures I will upload some.
'If anyone is interested..... " You're putting the micky on us right?

of course we're interested, (Here at least) Let's see some pics! Not too many Royal B-17's out there.

By the way: Did anyone see, or get lucky on the purchase of, the Royal/Marutaka Zero Sr and the P-38 Lightning kits that were posted on the for sale boards a few days ago? the zero was listed for $85.00 and the lightning near the same. NIB, bags unopened, slight water damage on box end only. I tried looking up the ads again but they must have been pulled. there were like 10-15 offers on each one, all pending...most were private but a few were like they were bidding in the open. the open view high offer on the zero was 225.00. Seller must have been blown away and decided to pull the ads and research what he was selling before letting them go.
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Still have a nearly finished B-17 Royal that needs a home.

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Glad to see some new guys wanting to build! That is huge, and what I hoped to here from some in equal parts with guys (well no girls..really yet..wanting to carve), that like to cut, sand, dremel, e.t.c. It would be nice to have a gal get excited about building.....then you wake up! So; new guys, there are loads of materiel for builders, and more importantly, a lot of fine gentleman ready to help new builders! These old Royals weren't necessarily the perfect scale airplane. However, you can make it up to be nearly full scale. The outlines are generally very close, so it is up to the artisan. I would like to see some built from plans. Let us fellows in the know help the new inquisitive builder. Who is building from those Ebay guys (no judgement of my own on those fellows..they are tryin to make a buck)? Do watch their "blow ups" though. I don't know how well these plans work out. It would be nice to be able to advocate a particular provider. There are a lot of nice plans out there, many better than Royal/Marutaka of course. Thanks all that have shown their Royal models, whether new or ancient builds! We like them here! Keep it up. -Eric

p.s. I'll throw in an old pic since its been awhile.
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Hello Guys here are some pictures of the B17.I was advised by a friend to do the horizontal stab & elevator first followed by the fin & rudder as this was my first build.This may sound silly but I didn't give a thought to taking photo's untill the same friend suggested it so the first photo's are of bits completed except for final carving and sanding.I'll put up some more later.Thanks
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Wait til you have to plank the fuse...that's when the fun begins...hehehehe

Looking good on that build, lippo.

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Glad to see some new guys wanting to build! That is huge, and what I hoped to here from some in equal parts with guys (well no girls..really yet..wanting to carve), that like to cut, sand, dremel, e.t.c. It would be nice to have a gal get excited about building.....then you wake up! So; new guys, there are loads of materiel for builders, and more importantly, a lot of fine gentleman ready to help new builders! These old Royals weren't necessarily the perfect scale airplane. However, you can make it up to be nearly full scale. The outlines are generally very close, so it is up to the artisan. I would like to see some built from plans. Let us fellows in the know help the new inquisitive builder. Who is building from those Ebay guys (no judgement of my own on those fellows..they are tryin to make a buck)? Do watch their ''blow ups'' though. I don't know how well these plans work out. It would be nice to be able to advocate a particular provider. There are a lot of nice plans out there, many better than Royal/Marutaka of course. Thanks all that have shown their Royal models, whether new or ancient builds! We like them here! Keep it up. -Eric

p.s. I'll throw in an old pic since its been awhile.


Where did you get the retracts from I have just the wired ones in my kit?

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Where did you get the retracts from I have just the wired ones in my kit?

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You can try Century Jet... That's where I got mine although that was years ago.

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Nice start on the B-17, Lippo.
Good shot in pic #1 of what I have a love/hate relationship with in the Royal kits...Look at the mass of wood in the LE of the rudder! I like the strenth of the Royal builds and enjoy the challenge of determining what to carve away for wieght and what/how much to leave for strength.

These old kits were great in that they never shorted you on the amount of wood! So much so that it's become an inside joke among Royal/M'taka kit builders. I never found that I had to add much and would definitly rather have the option to remove, rather than chase around for stock to build things up if required(wood).

It was interesting to see also, the spar arrangement in the wing structure. Certianly no lack of strength there. I've never seen the internal structure on a twin or more wing...Is it typical to have two (or in this case, it appears three) spars, top and bottom in multi-engine a/c? Or is that yet another case of the Marutaka, "engineered for strength", ideology?
Nice pics, Thanks for sharing.

Good to see the Zero again, even if recycled, R'4U.
We had an air show this past weekend here and I was able to get some decent detail shots of things I needed. The closer full a/c shots of the zero had some sort of sunspot/sunwash on them so that was disappointing. This was a full scale a/c bash plane that was built up from some original Zero, some contemporary a/c, and some "as necessary" new mfg parts. Same with the Kate. The part that I found interesting was that on this original tail wheel set-up it had a vintage, late war, solid rear wheel.

Some shots from the show. A few detail pics that you don't always find for the corsair guys. The Memphis Belle got underway before I made it down there, so just rolling pics of her, for Lippo.
Looks like the Zero scored on the A-26 tail...for sure on the straffing of a fuel truck!
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Old 11-13-2009, 04:14 PM
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Found the Zero Sr up 4 sale ...bid war still underway.


http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=572757

lightning sold...wonder what was accepted in the end. $125 public offer rejected so must've been more than that.


http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=572766
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Here are a few more pic's I'm hoping to save some weight by having a good final carve & sand up but I don't have enough knowledge to do it yet.
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Don't know what the nacelle measurements are or what strut length and tyre size you require but here's another option for your retracts. This would just be the main strut but, you could fabricate a set of semi-functional/folding stabiliser struts. the strut length on these is 11.5cm. from pivot to axel centre to centre. They are a bit spendy though, @160-170 quid list. (though they may be a bit less depending on the retailer...My local hobbyshop is usually @ 15% less than the list on Robart gear)



http://www.robart.com/retracts/12-24lbSpecial.aspx

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This thread is look'in good these days! Boring when poeple just want to buy and sell the Royal kits. Anybody can do that! I know you gotta start somewhere, but it is boring to read about here. Start working on them! Ruin that fine kit by glueing some parts!!!!
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Scale dail,
Believe me when I say that I am in wholehearted agreement, Royal kits should be built and flown by all means(and the build/finished plane posted here, of course!), not hoarded and traded like some sort of commodity. My only point in saying it's not a good novice builder kit is that if you really blow it you can't just run down to the LHS and order a new one.

As far as the info on the really cheap kits for sale, I was hoping to hear that someone here got one of 'em and we would soon see it come to life on this board as well.

Speaking of coming to life...Have you gotten anywhere on resurrecting that P-38 wreckage yet?
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A yes, the P-38-in-a-bag!. My freinds think I should build a Zirolli instead-NEVER!! It is moving up the build list. I need to finish my Top Flite Rare Bear first, Then If I can scrounge up enough money a Century Jet F-105, Then a ROYAL Ki-61 sr. Then It will be that 38's turn. I plan to go all out on that one, Fowler flaps and gear doors and the new brakes from robart. Late next year is when I plan to start it. Who knows when I will finish? I have some equipment ideas that I want to try first on my flying old R. P-38. Such as new retracts and servo locations and possibly even some simple split flaps. I need to keep that one operatonal cause I want video of both in the air!

I have said it before and I will say it again The plans show the nose gear too far forward! If you build it like the plans it will be WRONG! Do not wast anymore Royal P-38's and all the time it takes to build one with that wrong Nose gear location! Make a new bulkhead and mount the gear there!
There! No one asked for it, but I gave it anyway cause this is the internet!

Do not be brainwashed by your freinds, It does not have to be a Zirolli P-38 to be really scale. It could be a ROYAL P-38!!!
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Every time I see that "P-38-in-a-bag" I'm torn between "is that really worth resurrecting" and "it doesn't really appear that bad-I've re worked similar near fatalities". Good luck with it. I'm Anxious to see what comes of it, and especially, of the "Tony" here in the future.
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Anyone done retractable tail wheel with functional doors? How did you accomplish the door functions? Pics and ideas please. I'm brainstorming on methods for the P-51 and I'm interested in what anyone else is doing on any airframe.

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Then a ROYAL Ki-61 sr...
Hi Dail,

I'm flying a very similar sized Ki-61 of my own design, 71" span. I still have to detail and paint it but need to get the Hellcat done first. What do you think of the canopy in your Ki-61 kit? If it looks relatively accurate I may see if I can find one for my Tony. If it fits it would save me from having to spend the time finishing my plug. If the Royal flies anything like mine does you will love it. Mine is a tad under 10 pounds as it sits now and flies like a trainer other than being just a tad squirrily on the ground.


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That looks good Chad! Is it done? That is what mine looks like now- all framed up.
My canopy is a little messed up. I got one for the Royal Ki-61 from E-bay, but it had no frames molded in it. I might just use the messed up one. (All this might not even matter if I sell it next weekend). I have a long build list, and might actually skip this one, or not.


Here is a pic of the retractable tailwheel on my 40 size P-51. It uses the Robart retract unit. And springs from a ballpoint pen to keep them open. There is a wire that the unit pulls in that pulls the doors in too. On a larger model I would go with a light nose gear retract unit back there so it could retract forward. Also the doors should stay open farther that 90 deg.
There are a few more pics of what I did on my old build thread- http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_54..._1/key_/tm.htm
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That looks good Chad! Is it done? That is what mine looks like now- all framed up.
My canopy is a little messed up. I got one for the Royal Ki-61 from E-bay, but it had no frames molded in it. I might just use the messed up one. (All this might not even matter if I sell it next weekend). I have a long build list, and might actually skip this one, or not.
Not done yet Dail, still sitting in primer while I finish up the Hellcat. It's next on my list though. Sooner or later I will have a canopy (with frames) so if you don't sell your Tony and need another canopy I may be able to help.

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