What is this plane
 

Was surfing around and ran into this very nice looking plane. Was wondering if anyone knew what it was...what kit....and where I could get one...thanks.

What is this plane
 

Another view of it....just got some pics but no details as to what kit/arf it is or from who.

What is this plane
 

Modfied T-34 from Vlar?...heres another pic.

What is this plane
 

It looks a lot like the new T-6 primary trainer that the Air Force is just now getting into the inventory.

Maybe a...
 

Tucano. Looks like glass, probably a Prince America ARF.

What is this plane
 

You guys think its VLar made?

What is this plane
 

It is a Tucano!

What is this plane
 

Tucano. No doubt about it.
Looks more scale than the Prince America. Somebody could have dressed it up a bit I suppose with scale struts and exhaust. Hard to tell how large it is in these photos too. Nice looking model.

What is this plane
 

the plane is a Harvard II (or if it was in US markings, a Texan II)
http://www.nftc.com/images/raytoutl.gif

Vmar, for one, makes an ARF of this one...........

Embraer EMB-312 Tucano
 

The plane is definitely a Tucano. Prince America makes a .60 sized fiberglass ARF. The plane looks like one of the DLAero kits though, I think it had a 72" wingspan. I think it is DLAero, or something like that, although they have quit making the Tucano kit they had. Aero FZD also has a nice Tucano with a 89" wingspan. Don Smith has plans for an 86" wingspan Tucano.

Anyway, it is definitely a Tucano and not a Havard II. The harvard has a sharp vertical tail fairing, the tucano is blended, and the horizontal stab and elevators are split on the Tucano by the rudder, verse the Havard has a one piece elevator with the rudder completely above it.

What is this plane
 

The said Harvard or Texan 2 is in fact a Pilatus PC-9M, built under license for North American market.http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/3_tr...meset_pc9m.htm

[IMG]Pilatus PC-9M[/IMG]

I have seen it fly at Randolph AFB, very pretty !

But I guess, as other have said, that this is a model of the brasilian Embraer Tucano.

Bernard

what it is
 

These turbo prop trainers were originaly made by Pilatus. Embrear (sp) builds them under licence. Now Beech or Raytheon if your prefer, builds something very similar, now called the Texan II. Your picture is of the Embraere. You can tellthe difference by the wing. The Raytheon's wing has no dihedral in the center section and then the wings bends upwards just outside of the main gear. The Palatis and the Embreare both have dihedral in the center section. You can generally tell at a glance by looking at the air force markings. South American countries-Embrears, Europeans=Pilatis, and here in the states, Raytheon TexanII's. My freind has the big Tacano ( thats the Embreare), very nice, and it is made by Prince America. Its a glass fuselage, foam wing sheeted. Flys good! Turns heads. His is all glassed, painted and automotive clear coated! Spectacular!! The flaps are must. They also make a forty size ARF and it flys great!
We actually get to go and ride in the Texans at Randolf AFB where I work. I haven't been yet, but some of my freinds have already gone. Its cool. Well, not really, they have had air conditioning problems. The idea of these planes is , of course, for instruction. However, they are fly by wire and all of the propeller characteristics are compensated by the computor. Why teach your student prop behaviors when, hopefully, they will soon be moving on to jets. The Pratt and Whitney PT-6 is a great engine and gets much better mileage than a jet. They are cheaper to operate than the aged, not to mention loud, T37's. I think that is about all I can tell you. barn

Re: what it is
 

Your informations, for what I know, are wrong. The Embraer Tucano is an ORIGINAL design, while the Raytheon built Texan II is a Pilatus built under license, with modifications to meet Air Force requirements. Here is a paper explaining what these modifications are : http://www.raytheon.com/rac/press/111997a.htm , and stating that IT IS A PILATUS PC9-M.

Bernard.

Re: what it is
 

Your informations, for what I know, are wrong. The Embraer Tucano is an ORIGINAL design, while the Raytheon built Texan II is a Pilatus built under license, with modifications to meet Air Force requirements. Here is a paper explaining what these modifications are : http://www.raytheon.com/rac/press/111997a.htm , and stating that IT IS A PILATUS PC9-M.

Bernard.

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is a tacano. I don't think anyone is diputing that the PC9 "type" was the original platform that Raytheon started with . Raytheon then created another "type" called the Texan. Its identifier is different, Tex. It isn't unusual for a highly modified aircraft to be assigned its own type ID by the IKO treaty once it has been so heavily modified. An MD80 isn't the same as a DC9. They look very different. The Tex and the PC9 look different as well. The aircraft that you have observed flying are no longer considered PC9's. And if you saw a PC9 and a Tex sitting side by side you would understand why.
As far as the Tacano being an original design, that does suprise me. How did you find that?

Dog onit.....
 

now you made me climb all over my built in book case in the living room. I found 1/16 inch of dust! Now I have to clean it!!

Well Bernie, I must say that the Texan and the PC9 look the same to me!! The Jane's book does say that the joint Pilatis/Beech venture yeilded a product modified some 70% from the original, but it doesn't appear to be that noticable.

Both the Tex and PC9 have the flat wing center section with dihedral out board of the mains.

The Tacano is obviously not a derivative of the PC9.

Oh, and Daewoo made one that looks like the Tacano!
I don't know if it went into full production.

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Simply go to Raytheon web site and make a search for Pilatus, tell me what you find ! They say themselves IT IS A PILATUS, with improvment on flight systems, mainly an automatic system to control the torque, as this plane is a primary trainer for jet jockeys who never will have to control torque.

Do your homework first, then talk !

Bernard

Re: B1's picture
 

What there is to understand ?

[IMG]C:\Documents and Settings\Bernard Grosperrin\My Documents\My Pictures\PilatusPC9m.JPG[/IMG]

[IMG]C:\Documents and Settings\Bernard Grosperrin\My Documents\My Pictures\texan.JPG[/IMG]

Bernard

Re: Re: B1's picture
 

Sorry, looks i misunderstood something here...

Re: B1's picture
 

Guess where ! Embraer web site!

http://www.ets-news.com/tucano.htm

Now, if you want to read some history on the type in english, folow the above link. It's a pretty well known fact in the aviation world. Tucano and Pilatus use the same Pratt and Whitney PT6, and have been buit with the same goal and market in mind, it's not surprising they look alike. But they have been designed by 2 totally different companies.

Bernard

Re: Dog onit.....
 

From Raytheon litterature, the modifications seems to be mostly on the flight systems, to conduct the turbine/pitch changes as automatically as possible, and a system to supress torque effects. Aerodynamic changes seems limited to a small anti-spin keel under the tailplane, and that's it !

Bernard

What is this plane
 

The model is definately as Tucano. If you look closely at the 2 sets of three-views posted, one noticable difference between the Texan II and the PC-9 is that the Texan II as ventral fins mounted under the rear of the fuse where as the PC-9 does not. They are different airplanes but are built from the same platform.

It's a Tucano !
 

Behind the EMB-312 Tucano is Embraer's Hungarian born (19th March 1926), Ing. Joseph Kovacs. Emigrating to Brazil in 1948, he eventually, after several moves, came into his own when he became associated with Prof. Heinrich Focke (Focke-Wulf and Focke-Achgelis). In 1973, he moved to Embraer as Technical Director i/c Advanced Projects. He was involved in the design of 37 powered and unpowered aircraft - 11 of which advanced to prototype stage and another five to series production, of which the Tucano was one such.

The first Tucano to fly was PP-ZDK on 16th August 1982. Ten days later, it was being flown across the South Atlantic to make its Farnborough debut in September. The Royal Air Force selected the Tucano from 3 front runners - the Swiss Pilatus PC-9, the British hopeful was the Turbo Firecracker and the Tucano. The RAF, of course (!), was not satisfied with the Tucano "as is" and had it modified with a bigger engine, strengthened gear and other mods too, I think - and then negotiated a licence to have it built by Shorts of Belfast, Northern Ireland. The larger engine gave it a bulbous big nose look. I prefer the original - and one of these days, I'll finish my 1/4 scale model of it in the scheme of the demonstrator PP-ZDK.

From the above précis of the Argus Specialist Publication "Aircraft Described" #26, we can safely assume that the Tucano is an original Embraer design and not connected in any way with the Pilatus PC-9. As to the other names mentioned - Raytheon, Beech, Texan, Uncle Tom Cobleigh and all - I leave it to another to explain these away.

Oh ! BTW, B1 Driver, I think it's a Tucano too. Well, that's a definite maybe ! I have the original Embraer catalogue with some great shots of PP-ZDK if you're interested. MalcolmL

What is this plane
 

WHAT same platform ? But I tend to agree with you, they are different but from the same platform, just like the Spitfire and Messerschmitt 109 were. Both fighters, monoplans, retracts and classical gear. No doubts, they are from the same platform !

Bernard

What is this plane
 

It's not a Tucano!!!!!!!!!!! The Tucano has a fin Strake.


It's a Beech Pilatus PC-9 Mark II, now named the T-6A Texan II


The US Navy and the US Air Force selected the Beech Pilatus PC-9 Mark II, now named the T-6A Texan II, as the Joint Primary Aircraft Training System (JPATS). The T-6A Texan II, manufactured by Raytheon Aircraft in Wichita (a subsidiary of Raytheon Company), is a primary trainer that will also accommodate instruction in advanced aerial and air-to-ground manoeuvres. The aircraft is capable of providing over 155 hours of training including weapons delivery training.

The Pilatus PC-9 was a proven high performance turboprop trainer in operation with the Air Forces of Australia, Union of Burma, Cyprus, Saudi Arabia and Switzerland. The major differences between the T-6A Texan II and the PC-9 are:

More powerful engine
Computer controlled trim aid device
Martin Baker zero-zero ejection seat
Single point refuelling
270 knot bird resistant canopy and pressurised cockpit

Info stolen from

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/texan/

Regards,

Steve