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Old 10-19-2011, 02:18 AM
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Camo pattern went on last night
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Pics pics pics!
Old 10-19-2011, 10:02 AM
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Default RE: HL King Tiger Report, Glen B

Check this photo. It may be 314 in the background, 313 is in the foreground? I just found it while looking for schemes for my Tiger II.
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Old 10-19-2011, 02:42 PM
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Pics pics pics!
OK

It is still very much a "work in progress" so that needs to be taken into account, here they are with;

- No clear coat

- No markings

- No weathering

- No accessories ( although I did put the track links on the hooks in one pic.)

..........etc.


I used a lot of green and brown because one thing I noticed when looking at photos from Abt 503 KT's frum Hungary 1944 was that they had a lot of these colours. So much that I originally wasn't sure if the base coat was green, not yellow.

It seemed in a lot of cases, a lot of the yellow was covered. This contrasts with 1943 tanks in Russia, it usually looked like the grean and yellow were on shorter rations, maybe due to the distance from the supplies.



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Old 10-19-2011, 02:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: MAUS45

Check this photo. It may be 314 in the background, 313 is in the foreground? I just found it while looking for schemes for my Tiger II.
Thanks for posting that one.

It sure look like it could be. I have squinted at a lot of these old B&W's trying to pick out details to know it is tough to do sometimes.

I see that one is striped, as my last post shows, I pretty much commited to the "blotch" pattern with the airbrush last night

I am taking some license with the markings, after confering with Rivitcounter and thinking it over I chose this pattern for a number of reasons, I will not argue if it is absolutely what Anneliese" had for camo, or not.

That tank does look like it has the No. 314 but there is enough confusion with numbers; I have a photo of a production turret in Hungary with 314 on it and also a picture of "Anneliese" in Hungary with 314.

The numerals "314" in the picture you posted is too big and far back not to be obscured partly by the track links that were carried in Hungary so the question, which is tough for us to answer is, are they the same 314., because the numbers on it were further forward to clear the spart track on the turret hooks.

Also, even if it was the same tank, did it get re-painted in the "blotch" pattern, to fit in with the other, later Abt 503 KT's when it was shipped back to Germany, as all the KT pictures in Hungary except the winter white washed tanks show this pattern.

IMHO, and experience, trying to absolutely pin down some of this late war stuff will drive a person to distraction and before I hit that point (I did come slose to it) I made my own best guess and went with it.

After all, I have to get an SLU in this thing and kick Captain Action's Pantiger's butt at one of the Can Am meets

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I soldering iron is hot and ready! Drive it over to my workshop and lets bring that cat to life! [8D]
Old 10-19-2011, 03:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: Fireman Tim

I soldering iron is hot and ready! Drive it over to my workshop and lets bring that cat to life! [8D]
Thanks, Tim

I need a couple more working evenings to have it to that point, I want to have the clear coat on it before we handle it.

I have the motors and mounts good to go.

The turret is ready for tha sensor and its wires.

Interior is cleared for the boxes and the battery lead hole is cut.

New switch hole is cut in the rear plate.

I would be quite happy to work out some mutually agrreable date, likely anytime after next Sat., at your convieniance.

Old 10-19-2011, 03:56 PM
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Looks very good for Eastern Front colors. Virtually all the western front KT's used the Ambush scheme which i really dont like. i hate Polka dots. Thats not to say I hate Polkas, just not dots. LOL.
Old 10-19-2011, 07:30 PM
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I think you made the right choice. I would think it would have been repainted just to move the numbers forward to keep the tracks from covering them when the hangers were installed. Also just look at the difference between in camo 313 vs 314 in this photo. 313 looks more like the pattern you chose for your "Kitty". Trust me your camo looks great and I wouldn't expect you to change it. I agree with Panther G the Blotch Pattern is a great change from all the Ambush/Battle of the Bulge colors most Tiger II seem to get painted in. Here are some photo's of a Tiger II I am still working on. I have seen info that shows it as a two color scheme with Red Brown and Dark Yellow and also in the three color scheme. I chose the three color scheme just because I liked it. It could be incorrect, but like you I couldn't find any documentation to confirm it one way or the other.
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Old 10-20-2011, 06:01 AM
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Default RE: HL King Tiger Report, Glen B

Wow, both of those kt's look great! A question for you fighters out there. Has anyone tried not weathering their tank and just fighting with it for awhile? It would be interesting to see how the tanks"weather" from just rc battle use.
Old 10-20-2011, 08:05 AM
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MAUS45

Nice job on the zim, paint's great and I like the Abt. 505 emblem.


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Wow, both of those kt's look great! A question for you fighters out there. Has anyone tried not weathering their tank and just fighting with it for awhile? It would be interesting to see how the tanks"weather" from just rc battle use.
I just about do that, I weatherthem minimally due to limited skills the run them at our meets.

It isn't exceptionally dirty but on my Tiger I, the dirt on the tracks looks real.................................because it is
Old 10-20-2011, 09:20 AM
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Thanks, Glen and mustclimb! I weather mine a little and then let the dirt do the rest. That said I am going to try the salt method the next build for chipping because even when you run your tank in the dirt the only thing that really gets weathered is the tracks and running gear. The upper hull and turret, unless you crash a lot, never really get chipped up or as dirty as the lower hull and running gear. Zimmerit was easy, but time consuming. I used Miliput fine and a gear on a handle I made to hold it so it would roll to get the texture. Had to do it in sections and kept the Miliput and my gear roller wet to get the right look. I used a stencil and hand touched-up the details on the charging knight. Only used decals for platoon number on the barrel and mantlet. I made a stencil for the platoon number on the rear of the turret. In the future I will continue to us my own stencils to paint the platoon numbers because it looks more realistic. I had to use a lot of Microsol to get the decals to lay down into the cast details on the mantlet.
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Excellent work. the Knight looks fantastic. great job on both the KT's guys.
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I agree with everyone else! This zimm is great! I know you can use the resin stuff and add to it, but you make it sound so simple. So how many teeth gear did you use and do you have a picture of your set-up?

I have more patience than money so I'm willing to learn how you did it.


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Thanks Jeff!!! I will take a photo of my Zimmerit tool when I get home. The process is easy, but just takes time. First lightly sand the areas on the tank you want to cover with 400 grit sand paper to give the Miliput something to bind to. Next I mix the two parts of Milliput, which is like clay, in equal parts by squishing or kneading them together. Once they are mixed good you should have a uniform color. I then roll or use my thumb to spread the Miliput out on the surface of the model in about 3-4 inch areas. It is about 2/16" or 3mm thick once I have it spread out. I then wet the surface of the Miliput by dipping my fingers into a bowel or cup of water and spreading the water around on the surface of the Miliput. It does not take much water to do this. I then dip my Zimmerit tool into the water and then start rolling it on the surface of the Miliput. I tried this on a spare plastic sheet I had to get the process or technique down then went for it on the Tiger II. The key is to keep the roller and the Miliput wet, really more damp then sloshing wet. You have about a 20-30 minute working time on the Miliput. To match the the 3-4 inch areas together I would try to mix a batch for another application while the area I just finished was still wet/damp and then the roller action would take care of hiding the seam. But I wouldn't worry to much about the seam not matching. I have seen photos of real Zimmerit applications in a book I have on Panthers and it was not a big deal. There were uneven rows, ladder marks in the Zimmerit from where they had climbed up on the tank, and some areas where the Zimmerit didn't even have the texture in it. So go for it.

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MAUS45,I tried the geartrick and was not happy with thematch from what I was seeingin the BW pics from the war. Take the below pic for example....



I think the germans were using a much thicker coat of the zimmerit on the tiger 1's. In 1944, they were getting bombed into the stone age and were fighting a 3 front war. As a result they were using a much thiner coat on the tanks because of shortages and to shorten production time. What I have beendoing on the hl kt is using a cut up fine hacksaw blade.This seems to give mesomething close thickness I am seeing in the pics.I have been having problems getting things "right"around rear hatch on theturret. Ithink I am going to have to cut the whole mess apart and coat each part by its self. Then put the whole mess back togather and make some of those pointiebolts that hold the hatchonto the back of the turret.Ether way, your tigers will look better than mine...lol
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I took a vaction day today, down with a cold, not bad enough to take a sick day, not good enough to work.

So I got all the tools and "accessories" all painted and finished so they will be ready to go on when the SLU installation is done.

I have also done some finishing touches on the hull and turret.

With any luck, this one should be operational for the Nov. Can Am (think happy thoughts about the weather )
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just enough to work on the King Tiger though...lol
need more pics, looking great Glen
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need more pics,
Here we go.

I have not done the mat clear coat yet so things are pretty glossy on the turret and markings, the clear coat goes on tomorrow.

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Old 10-21-2011, 05:16 PM
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So what is the consensus on the KT. Does everyone seem to be happy with it? I have seen them in person in stock paint which we all know is not the best but they look good with the custom work going on. Anyone install lower geared boxes yet? How about with custom electronics ie SLU DBC?
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Glen,

Looks good. May I suggest you give it a little weathering. It's easy and it will make the world of difference in how the end product looks.
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TJ,
That bis one outstanding looking Tiger. How did you do the Zim
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Glen,

Looks good. May I suggest you give it a little weathering. It's easy and it will make the world of difference in how the end product looks.
Yeah, I plan to, its not done, yet

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Anyone install lower geared boxes yet? How about with custom electronics ie SLU DBC?
I'll tell you in a couple weeks at the most, mine has the 3:1's and I have an SLU for it which will be going in, possibly this week.

Then it gets final weathering, markings etc. Shoild be ready for the Nov. 5th Can Am, if the weather permits us to play

Something from Page 2 of this thread I wrote on the 3:1's;

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I fitted the 3:1's tonight.

These are the 2.0 version with the mounting plate, it went in very nicely.

I have found the 2.0 version of the 3:1 drops the speed from 24 scale miles per hour to 19 scale miles per hour.

Not as much redution in speed as the old style 3:1's in my two Tiger I's

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IMO as a n00b, I think the hl kt is the best hl tank yet for the following resones....
1) you have electric clips for all the wires on the turret, no need to have to resoder lines.
2) There are 5 screws holding on the turret ring, along with that, the turret ring on the hullhold there turret very well,there almost no turret "bob" with this hl tank.
3) there are no "hidden " screws holding the hull together, no need to pull the tracks to get the upper hull off.
4) The ball mount mg on the hull is a real moving ball mount. You can move it around unlike the tiger.
5) The hull is much stiffer than the most of the other tanks I have seen from hl. I was going to cut out the battery box but then I realized that unlike some of the other hl tanks, ti was being used to stiffen up the hull.
6) there is a ton of roominside this tank..

The only bad thing I have to say about this tankis the main gun has no negative gun movement. To get it I may have to open up the hole coming out of the turret.

I have the 3:1 gears and the tank works great, now I justneed the 400 motors.....If I could convince my car to stop hitting deer, I might be able to buy those....*face palm*

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