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Old 03-14-2013, 10:19 AM
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Default Concrete Armor?

Not sure this has been discussed in depth but already being discussed in another thread(just found out the allieds did it as well). Since it's not something I've seen modeled much I though might be neat to open it to a larger discussion...

Old 03-14-2013, 10:26 AM
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Funny thing is i was told it wasn't effective against the AP rounds of the german guns.

Helps vs HE rounds and smaller caliber though.

How did they do it? They would weld steel bars to the tanks to create a 'form' and 'reinforce' the concrete (same building method for bunkers). Then they would pour thick/dense concrete and smooth it out.

Voila, cheap additional armor.

You can reproduce this method with drywall patching compound. Additional texture can be given with a texture sponge while it's drying, or a simple stipple brush onto the drying compound.

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Old 03-14-2013, 10:46 AM
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PATTON was pissed when he saw sand bags used as supplemental armor.

I bet he would have have an aneurism if he saw the concrete application! Of course, he didn't have to ride in them anymore either!














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Old 03-14-2013, 11:42 AM
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What I wonder is how effective was the tracks used as supplemental armor...

The KT had huge tracks... When they were fitted on the turret... How much added protection did they provide!?
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PATTON was pissed when he saw sand bags used as supplemental armor.

I bet he would have have an aneurism if he saw the concrete application! Of course, he didn't have to ride in them anymore either!




My thoughts exactly.









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Old 03-14-2013, 07:19 PM
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Default RE: Concrete Armor?

How about an American Stug with concrete :
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...ecmm6.jpg/sr=1
Old 03-15-2013, 01:47 AM
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Stug often had concrete armour added the Germans didn’t do this with the larger tanks like Panther and Tiger.
Spare tracks were used on many tanks like Panther, Tiger I and Tiger II the British also adorned there Sherman’s with spare tracks one will often find Churchill and Panther tracks added to a Sherman I’m not sure how effective it was it may have been psychological but I don’t recall seeing any pictures of any army’s knocked out tanks with a hole through spare tracks.

The 88L71 from a Tiger also the 75L70 from a Panther at a range of 2000 meters could go through the front and exit the rear of a Sherman thus Germans used HE and delayed the explosion the round would penetrate then explode inside the Sherman, if concrete armour stopped this then it worked well though I don’t this this was widespread, these are the first pictures I have seen, Sherman’s with extra armour, tracks even wood and sand bags I have seen plenty
Old 03-15-2013, 03:01 AM
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The adding of concrete, spare tracks and the rest to Stugs at least was sorely frowned upon by Germans (presumably the ones who didnt have to actually sit in the thing)as it wrecked the suspension by all accounts.

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Old 03-15-2013, 03:51 AM
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The Allied big wigs regarded tracks as supplemental armor a "shot trap" and not very effective.


But like I said in another thread, THEY didn't have to ride in them either.














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Old 03-15-2013, 04:05 AM
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This here is the not-often-seen moss applique armor. Extremely effective against squirrels.

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Old 03-15-2013, 04:18 AM
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To be honest with you guys, the Sherman and the StuG are two of my most favorite AFV's and slamming them with concrete really distracts from the beauty of the vehicle.

But in the real world I might have done it just to save my butt!














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Old 03-15-2013, 07:17 AM
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Concrete, Sandbags and Wood......Why was not more metal armor added like the M26 to the T26E4???? Seems like it would have been easier to aquire Scrap armor from destroyed tanks than to find Concrete in a battlefield....
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The Super Pershing that you talk of, there was only 2 in Europe and only 1 saw combat with the added armour, Belgian factories used front plates from destroyed Sherman’s and welded them to the front of other Sherman’s this doubled the thickness of front armour, armour was also welded to the hull sides and turret sides when available, this all took time and these modified tanks were in very short supply
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Takes time and skill to cut steal.

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Concrete, Sandbags and Wood......Why was not more metal armor added like the M26 to the T26E4???? Seems like it would have been easier to aquire Scrap armor from destroyed tanks than to find Concrete in a battlefield....
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Takes time and skill to cut steal.
I dont have any of the latter but Ican testify to the former......this is a 1/10 scale fairly rough KV-2 that has broken my back and fingers for a year.

No machine tools.....a battery powered drill/screwdirver and a nibbler. And thats it. Looks rough but when its actually all bolted together it isnt that bad....

Apatient wife/significant other is a necessity as well.

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ORIGINAL: lposter

Takes time and skill to cut steal.
I dont have any of the latter but I can testify to the former......this is a 1/10 scale fairly rough KV-2 that has broken my back and fingers for a year.

No machine tools.....a battery powered drill/screwdirver and a nibbler. And thats it. Looks rough but when its actually all bolted together it isnt that bad....

A patient wife/significant other is a necessity as well.

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WOW!!! that looks sweet lposter
would love to see that in action keep the pics coming do you have your own post of this?
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There is athread somewhere..I'll find it and put it there.

I shouldnt have jumped this thread but the lead in was to sweet to turn down!!

I'll update th eotehr one.

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I want to see MOAR

Looks pretty good!

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There is athread somewhere..I'll find it and put it there.

I shouldnt have jumped this thread but the lead in was to sweet to turn down!!

I'll update th eotehr one.

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ORIGINAL: Ronan87

I want to see MOAR
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I want to see more, Je voudrais voir plus
Iposter, this is a very good build especially since it’s all done by hand I can only have one criticism, why 1/10 please this is more of a question and doesn’t distract from what you have achieved as building in smaller scales requires much higher accuracy

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I think 1/10 is the best scale size wise. Im not too worried about accuracy on this one. Im going more for shear mechanical power and brute force. hence the toothed idlers.

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