DirtyBird69

Not sure this has been discussed in depth but already being discussed in another thread(just found out the allieds did it as well). Since it's not something I've seen modeled much I though might be neat to open it to a larger discussion...

Ronan87

Funny thing is i was told it wasn't effective against the AP rounds of the german guns.

Panther F

PATTON was pissed when he saw sand bags used as supplemental armor.

I bet he would have have an aneurism if he saw the concrete application! Of course, he didn't have to ride in them anymore either!














~ Jeff

Ronan87

What I wonder is how effective was the tracks used as supplemental armor...

Panther G

ArmChairGeneral

How about an American Stug with concrete :
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...ecmm6.jpg/sr=1

rivetcounter

Stug often had concrete armour added the Germans didn’t do this with the larger tanks like Panther and Tiger.
Spare tracks were used on many tanks like Panther, Tiger I and Tiger II the British also adorned there Sherman’s with spare tracks one will often find Churchill and Panther tracks added to a Sherman I’m not sure how effective it was it may have been psychological but I don’t recall seeing any pictures of any army’s knocked out tanks with a hole through spare tracks.

The 88L71 from a Tiger also the 75L70 from a Panther at a range of 2000 meters could go through the front and exit the rear of a Sherman thus Germans used HE and delayed the explosion the round would penetrate then explode inside the Sherman, if concrete armour stopped this then it worked well though I don’t this this was widespread, these are the first pictures I have seen, Sherman’s with extra armour, tracks even wood and sand bags I have seen plenty

lposter

The adding of concrete, spare tracks and the rest to Stugs at least was sorely frowned upon by Germans (presumably the ones who didnt have to actually sit in the thing)as it wrecked the suspension by all accounts.

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Panther F

The Allied big wigs regarded tracks as supplemental armor a "shot trap" and not very effective.


But like I said in another thread, THEY didn't have to ride in them either.














~ Jeff

lposter

This here is the not-often-seen moss applique armor. Extremely effective against squirrels.

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Panther F

To be honest with you guys, the Sherman and the StuG are two of my most favorite AFV's and slamming them with concrete really distracts from the beauty of the vehicle.

But in the real world I might have done it just to save my butt!














~ Jeff

nharrison21

Concrete, Sandbags and Wood......Why was not more metal armor added like the M26 to the T26E4???? Seems like it would have been easier to aquire Scrap armor from destroyed tanks than to find Concrete in a battlefield....

rivetcounter

The Super Pershing that you talk of, there was only 2 in Europe and only 1 saw combat with the added armour, Belgian factories used front plates from destroyed Sherman’s and welded them to the front of other Sherman’s this doubled the thickness of front armour, armour was also welded to the hull sides and turret sides when available, this all took time and these modified tanks were in very short supply

Ronan87

Takes time and skill to cut steal.

lposter

I dont have any of the latter but Ican testify to the former......this is a 1/10 scale fairly rough KV-2 that has broken my back and fingers for a year.

No machine tools.....a battery powered drill/screwdirver and a nibbler. And thats it. Looks rough but when its actually all bolted together it isnt that bad....

Apatient wife/significant other is a necessity as well.

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Airbrushler

WOW!!! that looks sweet lposter
would love to see that in action keep the pics coming do you have your own post of this?

lposter

There is athread somewhere..I'll find it and put it there.

I shouldnt have jumped this thread but the lead in was to sweet to turn down!!

I'll update th eotehr one.

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Ronan87

I want to see MOAR

Looks pretty good!

rivetcounter

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I want to see more, Je voudrais voir plus
Iposter, this is a very good build especially since it’s all done by hand I can only have one criticism, why 1/10 please this is more of a question and doesn’t distract from what you have achieved as building in smaller scales requires much higher accuracy

lposter

I think 1/10 is the best scale size wise. Im not too worried about accuracy on this one. Im going more for shear mechanical power and brute force. hence the toothed idlers.

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