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Old 05-07-2015, 05:49 AM
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Here are some photos of the Tamiya and Trumpeter Panzer IV parts for comparison. I chose the Turret and Upper Hull to compare as if these were close the rest of the model would be close and these are the parts that could most likely be used to mix and match to get a late H or early J.
I measured the front plate or top of the upper hull front and both were 12cm wide. I also measured the rear of the upper hull and they were close but the Tamiya was 14.5cm vs. 14.3cm for the Trumpeter. Not a enough difference to really matter. The lengths are the same but in the photos it may appear that the Trumpeter is longer only because it is sitting on top of the Tamiya. I matched up the angels on the side plates and that is where it matters.
The turrets are close but the Trumpeter would take some work to match up to the Tamiya turret bottom for R/C conversion. You will notice there is a gap between the front lower turret plate of the Trumpeter and Tamiya lower R/C bottom plate. I tried to match up the back and sides of the turret bottom of the Trumpeter and the Tamiya bottom and they are close, but it leaves the gap at the front for these parts. Not a show stopper, but would need some work to get a proper fit. The gap may have something to do with Static model scale and R/C part scale to allow for the motors inside the Tamiya parts.
Hope this helps those who may be considering bashing these two kits together for the best of both worlds. All the detail parts would be direct replacements for the Tamiya. The Schurzen could be used on the Tamiya as well, but would be better used as a template to convert to brass for an R/C model.
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Old 05-07-2015, 06:53 AM
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Thanks for posting this.
Now if I only had an extra $250 laying around.
If you have not put it all away, would you mind measuring the width of the side walkway/fenders?
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Thanks Rudy, nice comparison.

As you mentioned, Tamiya may take some liberties in the name of RC, but as a kit manufacturer, their armor always was a bit clunky compared to the new school slide molding of DML, AFV and Tristar. The trade off is they are usually so well engineered, they fall together. Trumpeter and DML tend to take more skill to build, but the results are better in detail.
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Dave, it is not a problem. The fenders on the Trumpeter kit are separate parts and have really nice detail. I am sure they could be attached to the Tamiya upper hull, but I am not sure how strong they would be if this were to be a battling tank at Danville? I have attached photos of the instruction pages dealing with the fenders to give you an idea of what I am talking about. I will measure them tonight when I get home from work. I just happened to have the instructions with me.

Jeff you are right about Tamiya falling together as building the Trumpeter Panzer IV will take some work. Although the way they broke the build down it will be in modules like mini models within the whole model as a Static kit.
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Very nice comparrison, the Trumpeter is on my wish list!
Old 05-07-2015, 11:53 AM
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Thanks again Rudy.
Yeah it will be a battler at Danville, just like my highly detailed Panther.
Even with photo etch in places, I have not lost too many details as I try to compensate for the rough terrain and heat of battle.
For example on my Panther I used the Aber PE cleaning rod tube, but I secured it from inside the hull using small screws.

I was not thinking/planning to replace the PIV fenders entirely, but maybe just swap some details.
Like movable or battle-damaged front/rear fenders.
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Dave the Aber complete photo etch set for the 1/16 Tiger 1 started out with a price of $199. Not sure what it goes for now but I bet it is more expensive. That said think of the Trumpeter Panzer IV as a $250 super detail upgrade kit. It has six sheets of photo etch three different main gun barrels, two metal, one drilled through, one solid, and the plastic version. It also comes with the Aber armored MG34 for the hull MG. All the tools and the Tetra Fire extinguisher have really nice detail compared to the Tamiya. It even has the springs for the front and rear fenders. So for me it is well worth the price even if I build it as a static kit.
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Sweet.
That's what I was hoping for!
Have you seen this sweet new muzzle brake from Aber?

http://www.aber.net.pl/detal,1243.html

I don't think anyone has them on this side of the pond yet, but have seen on Ebay ranging from $44-$55
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Wow, that is the late or last version used on the Panzer IV J and late Stug II G's. I have ordered stuff from ebay seller sk1968sk in Poland. He carries a lot of 1/16 Aber stuff. Only took 10 days to get my shipment. Have you seen the Early and Late 88 L/71 Muzzle Brakes they make? Same crazy detail. Only thing is at $45-50 it is close to a set of late KV1 steel wheels with bearings??? I need a sponsor or win the lottery!!! To many cool1/16 scale details and kits out now.
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Originally Posted by manchu9inf View Post
Very nice comparrison, the Trumpeter is on my wish list!
Me too although I think the Tamiya kit is a must for me.




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My LHS has the Trumpeter P4 kit for $339. A good buy?
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Online shops have it listed for about $100 less.
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Try this http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXESDA&P=ML and use this code 510AN to get $27 off the order. Works out to be free shipping.
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Dave, here are the photos of the fenders and front upper hull plate. The fenders on the Tamiya and the Trumpeter are 3cm/30mm wide. The Trumpeter Fenders are one piece except for the rear mud flap. the Tamiya fenders are two parts as well with the forward part molded to the upper hull. The upper hull front plate is molded to the Tamiya upper hull while the Trumpeter is a separate piece.
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Thanks again Rudy, you and Trumpeter sure are thorough with the details!
Amazing that they included all the detail UNDER the fenders.
That has to be a first.
The difference between the scale of the treadplate is interesting.
I wonder which is more accurate?
How snug is that trumpeter front plate between the Tamiya fenders?
Looks to be a little loose? a few mm?
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The Trumpeter front plate is very close; it is maybe one piece of 1mm plastic strip on each side to make it fit? I looked at the way Tamiya did their upper hull and the front side plates or the way the fenders are molded on may be the actual difference? The Trumpeter front plate fits inside the lower hull which is more scale so that could be where Tamiya fudged their front plate? I think the Trumpeter tread plate is more accurate based on photos I have seen of the real thing, but that dose not mean they didn't change it as they made the real ones. Did you see the crown nuts on the bottom of the fenders? The detail is crazy!!! Have you started cutting your Tamiya up yet?

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All I have done to this point is strip all the old paint off, and strip all the screws holding the bogies together.
Putting bearings in the wheels has turned into a week long project.
My new screws should arrive from the AAF today and I will have a functioning chassis this week.
I don't want to start cutting the upper until I have all the parts in hand, just in case.
And just to complicate this project even more, I am also ordering a Stug IV from Asiatam.
I hope to be able to 'swap' the upper hulls on/off of the l Tammy lower chassis, so I kinda get 2 tanks in one.
I know the Asiatam won't be a perfect fit, and there will be some fiddling to be done.
But, my hope is that between these 3 upper hulls, I can make a sorta unique and detailed PIVausfH and an assault gun that I can battle as TFA.
That is if I don't run out of patience or money first!
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I have the Aisatam Stug IV upper. I have not tried fitting it to the Tamiya lower hull, but I think it was intended for the Heng Long Panzer IV. I have thought about trying the same thing you are going to do. Have two uppers to change out on one running lower. It has it's advantages.
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Currently, I only have 2 heavies (Pershing and Panther).
So I wanted to try to kill 2 birds with 1 stone (or 2 tanks with one projectile), and get a medium and a TD out of 1 set of electronics.

I'm going to give it a go, but if the Asiatam Stug upper refuses to work with the Tammy lower, than I would probably go with an Asiatam lower,
and just swap out the electronics (MF/DMD) when I want to switch.

Part of the reason I made the deal for the used PIV and the 6ch Tx was it was already setup for servo elevation with a fire button.
So, I would be able to use the same setup on the StugIV.

It is more common now at Danville battle days that we run stock apple on turreted tanks, and TFA on assault guns and TD's.
When it come to close quarters combat, the TFA vehicles have a real advantage, esp when we play no fan shots.
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So Stugs and Jagdpanthers would be good to have at Danville!!! I really need to try and make it over!!!

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TD's are an advantage when NEAD hosts the battles, like this weekend.
TD's use TFA, turreted tanks use stock TBU, and there are no sweep shots.
So yeah, a Jagpanther can hold up a whole column of turreted tanks by itself, as in real life.

When ACE hosts, using the new Rolling Thunder rules, the TBU configs are the same as NEAD, but sweep shots are legal (and expected).
They also limit the number of TD's to no more than 25% of a teams total tanks.

When HEAT hosts everyone is TFA, so all tanks are equal and sweep shots are not really a factor.

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