Pcomm1.v2

The AM TV News coverage today, briefly, was questioning and hinting at marshal law possibilities in SoCal. The train in question also carried OD track howitzers along with the Abrams. Hard to believe any of that type of Armor would be used to control civil or ghetto riots. Though, about 25 years ago Bradley’s at check points blocked intersections and cruised the streets of North West Long Beach, California during the Rodney King Riots. Guess anything is possible, never thought I’d see Bradley’s used for possible anger in my then hometown.

ksoc

Before we all go crazy over disaster - p0rn.. (approx. numbers off of Johns Hopkins Coronavirus site)

US - 65,000 cases in a population of about 330 million.
Europe - 154,000 cases in a population of about 444 million 126% of US population, 230% of cases confirmed

You really need to measure per capita (cases / 100,00 people or 1 million)

This also assumes you believe the numbers coming out of China.... who just announced they are shutting their country to all foreigners.
What are they trying to hide?

Additionally, the guys in Britain who made the dire prediction about 500,000 dead in the UK have revised that number down to 20,000 - after only 2 days of 'social distancing'

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._analysis.html


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Pcomm1.v2

Your math will not solve human issues, FYI. No one is going all crazy except you with your irrelevant pandemic number reasoning and guesstimates. And none of what your referencing has diddly to do with ongoing events, such as the LA County Sheriff ordering the closure of gun stores for new civilian purchases to ward off panic buying. The best pandemic model is the 1918 to 1920 Flu worldwide pandemic and that is why people are worried. Your current state ordered stay at home isolation is based on lessons learned from a 100 years ago. Opinion: China is a completely dishonest state and while their medical teams are doing a good job, it seems, the Chinese Government is a dismal failure in their pandemic response.

Anyway ladies, the concern on local TV news today was about Southern California issues, real or imagined. The region is not predictable or all that stable and you know that.

My virus software says the site you recommend is bad news and I have been watching it for over 30 days, LOL.

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John

herrmill

Folks, again coming from where I sit, please refrain from any China bashing or mouthing the talking points Ive seen elsewhere.

China's government decided to close the boarders for only one reason - we're very close to being covid-19 free as of this week & given the irresponsibility we're seeing back home to my east across the Pacific makes it a very prudent decision to take. I'm certainly not a fan or supporter of the current CCP Dynasty in Beijing but I will say, they sure do know how to stop the spread of an epidemic in its tracks.

If anyone wants to lay blame for what's happening now in the States, there is quite a lot to share as Max Brooks did on Fresh Air the other day. Besides being a noted novelist & son of Mel Brooks, he's also taught at West Point's Modern War Institute & does know his stuff. I've always valued his insight in previous interviews I've seen him do so highly recommend a listen or read the transcript.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/24/82060...ks-on-covid-19

Much more if you want to dig deeper into what should have been known as a given years before. Politico has some excellent reporting that gets deep into the pandemic playbook the Obama Administration left for the present administration as well simulations & briefings during the transition. Yea, lots of blame to go around.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...andemic-132797

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285

Peace all.

Crius

Okay guys, here's a little something that we RC tankers might be able to do to help. There's a guy here in Detroit that has designed and is 3D printing respirator masks and then donating them to local hospitals and First Responders. They say these masks are not quite as good as the n95 but they're still way, way better than nothing. They're reusable and you print it in two pieces, The Mask itself and then a cover that snaps on over the front and holds the replaceable filter in place. A lot of us RC tankers have 3D printers so all we need is the STL file and we can print masks and donate them in our own local area. I'm working on getting the STL file right now so I need to know, if I'm successful in getting the STL file is there anybody out there that would like to print a few masks and donate them in your local area?

mustclime

The real problem is with total testing, there is no way to track numbers and respond with a real picture.The US government has completely failed to get the tests out in a timely fashion. According to Johns Hopkins at 8:30Am est. total cases in US are 82,300 with total deaths of 1100..... that’s less than 1%..... that’s nice but shortages of test kits....it’s pretty clear there are way more than 82,300 cases in the US.

jarndice

I have a nasty feeling that this brilliant idea will be kicked into the weeds by the self important administrator's who oversee the rule book,
It certainly would never fly here in the UK and it would be no use pointing out that it would save lives,
After perusing the rule book the official numptie would then quote a well used British saying "It's More Than My Job's Worth" and go off to make a well earned cuppa tea.

Crius

Shaun, could you please expand on that a little bit? Do you mean you think the administrators will shoot us down on 3D printing respirators? Or were you talking about the testing procedure?

Imex-Erik

I was reading on the respirators a bit further and from what I hear you need the antibiotic PLA filament which is pretty hard/expensive to get atm. I do not work in the medical field so someone else will need to confirm this but I believe it has to do with Covid 19 still transferring to the surface and sticking to it versus other materials. I mean anything is better than nothing, just for medical use I think they need the correct filament.

pitstain

I am wondering why medical staff are not starting to use the same equipment people who paint cars are using, there is still an ample supply of 3M and other brand half and full face respirators and P100 filter cartridges, and those are rated for up to 40 hours of continuous use or until clogged which you will know when it becomes more difficult the breathe. there are a ton of industrial supply shops that have these in stock.

airsteve172

I wonder how long before the only form of aviation in the skies will be govt helicopters searching for unauthorized gatherings of people to shoot down.

airsteve172

Oh jeez, what was I thinking... silly me!!!
We live in the land of the free and the home of the brave and we have inalienable rights that are guaranteed to us under the Constitution!!! ......Right?

Pcomm1.v2

Reference: UCLA engineers using 3-D printing in race to get coronavirus face shields to hospitals – Daily News.

khttps://www.dailynews.com/2020/03/26...ted-hospitals/

Maybe a DIY home project that is doable by some modelers. The materials to work with are friendly and do not require special fabric. I am researching the possibilities today. Our local area hospital has put out a request as of yesterday for community donations for wipes, N95 masks, though not face shields, yet.

in regards to the “I told you so”, but accurate guy “herrmill” writes about, a much bigger name, Bill Gates offered an excellent presentation on worldwide pandemics several years ago. Few in authority listened, my guess.

Whatever China’s role in this mess proves to really be, for now be safe and kind to everyone, even massive China.

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-g...iet_pQfZKMYjDY





Next project, maybe.

airsteve172

But the people who do manufacturing and the people who supply the manufacturers with materials have been deemed by the govt to be "non essential" and restricted from going to work. Ponder on that for a while.

Crius

I'm sure in some cases there are places that are closed that shouldn't be, but here in Detroit (Michigan is under an emergency "stay at home" order from the Governor) a lot of the workforce is still kickin' it out. Mostly industrial type companies like machine shops. My company has defense contracts so we're classified as essential, and that means the same for a lot of people that supply us, like steel suppliers and the guys that do our heat-treat for us. And it's still OK to go to the grocery store, the gas station, even the party stores are open, and for some reason that includes tobacco shops. The people that work in bars, spas, hair salons, etc, have it pretty tough, though. Most restaurants are open for take out and a lot have hired extra delivery drivers, and the pizza joints are boomin' so it's actually been good for a small minority. But I see most people trying to do their part, and unless I'm at work I'm at home, and trips for food and essentials are done on the way home from work so I make no special trips. My car is in the garage and will stay there until i leave for work Monday morning. Gives me more time for the hobby, and I really need to get back on this tank trailer. The ramps are almost complete and I still can't believe this $45 truck RX/TX is set up to raise and lower them remotely, even if that's not really what that circuit was originally designed for. I guess I'll have to do a thread on that sometime soon.

Stay safe, Guys.

Pcomm1.v2

“But the people who do manufacturing and the people who supply the manufacturers with materials have been deemed by the govt to be "non essential" and restricted from going to work. Ponder on that for a while.“

Airsteve, Do not confuse the different issues. Home isolation, social distancing will work to stop the spread of the virus. Do something productive and get with the program in NY and obey your state ordered mandates.

Different: In isolation, home made cottage industry products, a temporary work around solution during a crisis, could work, if you got skills and material. Help, maybe, by makIng disposable surgical shields yourself, for your local hospital, you go and ponder that, OK.

sevoblast

We've been wearing masks for over a week on the rare occasions we've left the digs. We would get the condescending smiles, but that ended this morning when it was announced the first 5 confirmed virus patients in our city. It doesn't matter how they got here, suffice it to say two men will go to prison when they get out of hospital, but that put the fear of God in the citizens and this afternoon when we went to food emporium and druggist to finish our stash of emergency foods and meds for us and the dogs, masks were everywhere. So far, we've had no shortages of anything and even today, with quite a few citizens going to all the shops, everything was still well stocked. Draconian price controls are still in affect and are much stronger now. Tomorrow, VCO will order the last of the meds for the dogs, 4 of them are quite old, and order for home delivery several cases of canned meat and veggies, plus a stash of beer for me. We're as ready as we can get, just in case.

There is increasing talk of closing this city but that can't happen without permission from on high, although all the old block posts from back when it was closed are still there and functional if needs be. Depending on how bad it gets, it is conceivable that the local government will simply order it closed and let 'on high' scream all they want. I have no doubts the Victory Day Parade will be postponed, no way we can have 250,000 citizens and guests crowded together in a four kilometer parade route. As it stands now, all schools have been closed, all public events have been stopped, all restaurants, bars and discos are closed, all theaters and movie houses are closed, tourists and 'guests' have been invited to leave. All hospitals are on a war footing, retired doctors, nurses and lab tecs and even medical school students whose schools are closed have been ordered to report. Emergency services, fire and rescue have been quintupled in size. Two hospitals have been designated as infectious disease hospitals and the old hospital ship tied to the quay near City Center is being hurriedly prepared for service as a quarantine hospital. Police patrols, virtually nonexistent in normal times, are slowly being ramped up but still rare to see.

In light of what 'herrmill' says, methinks we may be in for a bit of a ride. Time will tell, but at the moment it looks like it's going to get serious here. We have no intentions of going out of our gate after tomorrow for minimum two weeks and longer if needs be.

airsteve172

So there I was, foolishy concerned about the revenue I'm losing and the probability that the company I work for will no longer exist when this is over.
Having read your post now, I can breathe a sigh of relief.

airsteve172

By the time the govt gets through "helping" us, it might be worth contemplating escaping to Cuba in search of a better standard of living.

Pcomm1.v2

Update: We are on day 28 for home isolation and social distancing, directed by city, county and state mandated orders. We stocked up on isolation food supplies 5 weeks ago. I had a small supply of 3M N95 masks on hand as part of my modeling air brush kit and we use one for runs to get fresh fruit and vegetables every couple of weeks. That mask is now only found on eBay at nasty, gouging prices, otherwise unavailable and that is a huge issue.

Outdoor stuff, all beaches, most surfing spots, parks and hiking trails are now closed, because LA SoCal weekend people refused to social distance when outdoors. The virus cases are quickly multiplying in LA County this week. The county just stated the worst will occur over the next 3 weeks. I believe them. In smaller next door Orange County the virus cases have not yet skyrocketed.

In response to that atypical NY dude, I understand the terrible vibes a lay-off, no monthly income means. Hopefully, the Feds will get those checks out sooner than later to those now out of work, because of the virus shutdown. And Cuba ain’t going to take you for very clear reasons, your from hard hit New York!

airsteve172

Ah yes, the government checks... makes me think what might have been possible on the Titanic if only they might have had a few extra tin cans to bail it out with.

Pcomm1.v2

Ah yes, the government checks... makes me think what might have been possible on the Titanic if only they might have had a few extra tin cans to bail it out with.

...suck it up buttercup and get strong.

airsteve172

How do you propose I fight the government?
In this "land of the free and the home of the brave" I haven't seen any of that, now that it matters, and it appears that our Constitution with its guarantees to our "inalienable rights" isn't worth the animal skin it's written on. I will however admit that there's plenty of sucking going on.

Pah co chu puk

This virus is hurting everybody economically. Rich people are taking a hit, middle class people are hurting, and poor people are suffering from it. Governments all over the world are under economic strain from this. You are not alone. Suck it up.

airsteve172

No need to, as I suspect you're capable of doing enough sucking for the both of us.

And no, the virus hasn't hurt me at all although I suspect that it might be capable of doing so. It is the government "remedy" that's hurting me and the vast majority of the people in this country.