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10-31-2009, 04:42 PM
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Good evening Gentlemen,
Now that we have got over the Spats as to what is and what isn't right about the new Sherman I thought I would post some detail pic's for the people who may find it interesting.
They are from a Sherman my wife and I found in Portsmouth in July 2009. The pic's were taken with my phone but still show a reasonable amount of detail. I've tried to organise them in a walkround order but they may still load up a bit random.
I hope my typing and spelling are Ok. Because an hour ago I was cleaning a wine glass and snapped the stem off it and in the process took a blooming great slice out of my third finger on my left hand. So I type this with one hand wrapped up in kitchen paper.
Here goes Gents.
I forgot 2 pic's of the front of the mantlet. These show a few more Foundry/Casting marks for all my friends on this forum to enjoy.
Now that we have got over the Spats as to what is and what isn't right about the new Sherman I thought I would post some detail pic's for the people who may find it interesting.
They are from a Sherman my wife and I found in Portsmouth in July 2009. The pic's were taken with my phone but still show a reasonable amount of detail. I've tried to organise them in a walkround order but they may still load up a bit random.
I hope my typing and spelling are Ok. Because an hour ago I was cleaning a wine glass and snapped the stem off it and in the process took a blooming great slice out of my third finger on my left hand. So I type this with one hand wrapped up in kitchen paper.
Here goes Gents.
I forgot 2 pic's of the front of the mantlet. These show a few more Foundry/Casting marks for all my friends on this forum to enjoy.
10-31-2009, 04:57 PM
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RE: Sherman detail Pic's
Pretty good pictures with a phone camera....
Reading all the hype on the new tank from Mato and it looks like a $10.00 dollar "Toys-R-US" tank.
BIGMIG...[:-][:-]
Reading all the hype on the new tank from Mato and it looks like a $10.00 dollar "Toys-R-US" tank.BIGMIG...[:-][:-]
10-31-2009, 05:00 PM
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Thanks for posting the pics. That is one of the 188 Canadian Grizzlies built by Montreal Locomotive Works.
It represents an intermediate style Sherman M4A1 with the narrow hatches. It also has the E6480 3-piece differential cover. For comparison photos of the Mato tank, look for pics of M4A1(76)Ws.
It represents an intermediate style Sherman M4A1 with the narrow hatches. It also has the E6480 3-piece differential cover. For comparison photos of the Mato tank, look for pics of M4A1(76)Ws.
10-31-2009, 05:23 PM
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James my friend.....I've got a bag full of pics of this tank.
Well done for spotting its identity. I'm going to post a few more detail pics of this tank. I hope the pics will help.
Well done for spotting its identity. I'm going to post a few more detail pics of this tank. I hope the pics will help.
10-31-2009, 05:42 PM
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The hull is contoured differently and of course they use different turrets. The tracks are the dry-tooth type with 17-tooth sprocket. Lots of pics of the Idler Components and the bogies will be great.
There is an A1 similar to this in the pipeline, Tunisian and Sicilian trim.
There is an A1 similar to this in the pipeline, Tunisian and Sicilian trim.
10-31-2009, 06:40 PM
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Great shots of a real old gem. Swathy put out the history and very interesting. The 3 piece tranny cover tells its age. Someone might want to drain that right final drive or seal the filler plug. Leaking pretty bad and a thing like this caused the US Government to go totally berzirk and drain all fluids from every static display vehicle in all military museums. Environmental controls are getting stiffer....with good reason. Any combat/training history available on this oldie?
11-01-2009, 02:35 PM
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I've got a few more pic's to post. Sadly not too many more of the bogies. But I've got close ups of hull and turret textures.
James is there anyway of finding out this tanks role and ops in th ETO ?
James is there anyway of finding out this tanks role and ops in th ETO ?
11-01-2009, 03:49 PM
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All done on the Portsmouth gate guardian. I hope these pics have been useful. Let me know what you think.
p.s. The lady patiently checking out the map whilst I spent 35 minutes tking the pics is Debbie my wife.
All the best Gents,
Nick.
p.s. The lady patiently checking out the map whilst I spent 35 minutes tking the pics is Debbie my wife.
All the best Gents,
Nick.
11-01-2009, 05:14 PM
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Pattoncommander, Thanks for the heads up on the leaks. Our Nation is as embroilled in Eco stuff as yours is. I'm sure someone in England will disclose this to the people in Portsmouth and get it sorted.
With the regard to this Old Gem, I'm hoping James can throw some light on this.
Nick.
With the regard to this Old Gem, I'm hoping James can throw some light on this.
Nick.
11-02-2009, 06:07 PM
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This eco system has everyone in a panic, especially if you have a government job. A few years ago someone brought a Sherman for temp display at Aberdeen. It leaked a bit of oil and since APG sits atop the fresh water reservoir for Washington DC, there was an immediate high level panic and subsequent over reaction at all stages of government mis management. This tank did not even belong to the Army...it was a visitor.[X(] This has resuted in teams being organized to visit every military museum to drain ALL fuilds from ALL vehicles, to include final drives. Even the gun recoil cylinders and hydrospring and power traverse reservoirs were drained. [:@] What has resulted; ...whereas before, to move or relocate a vehicle, we would hook a 5 ton wrecker or VTR and just drag or jockey it around....or tow it to the paint shop. Now, since everything in the final drive gear train is rusted together, we have to HIRE a pair of civilian heavy duty cranes to lift the tank/APc onto a trailer and drive it there, and the same cranes unload it. I tried this summer to move the turret and main gun on both our Pershings and the E8 Sherman...no go....all frozen tight. One exception (overlooked) is our M-41 Walker Bulldog. It traverses like it just came out of the factory and the gun elevates and depresses very smooth. I've been trying to get them to allow me to to drop an engine in it and get it running...it's in pretty decent condition and would only take about a month ..but LIABILITY.[:@], $$$[:@], insurance[:@]. But, when the new museum complex is built, I will clean it up, paint the inside, install MGs, dummy ready rack ammo and build a walkway to let people look into the open hatches. A running museum tank....omigod!!! [sm=confused_smile.gif][sm=omg_smile.gif][&:] Thats only for silly-villian museums with finances to get 'em running.
11-04-2009, 05:12 PM
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Hi Pattoncommander,
Thanks for your reply. I can understand your frustrations with the "Eco" thing. Believe me I feel just the same in my business. But it's a process that we all have to live with and endure.
I just hope, whilst enduring all of this, you can still bring all of those "Old Gems" back to life.
Keep up the good work my friend for all of us.
All the best,
Nick.
Thanks for your reply. I can understand your frustrations with the "Eco" thing. Believe me I feel just the same in my business. But it's a process that we all have to live with and endure.
I just hope, whilst enduring all of this, you can still bring all of those "Old Gems" back to life.
Keep up the good work my friend for all of us.
All the best,
Nick.
11-04-2009, 05:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: pattoncommander
This eco system has everyone in a panic, especially if you have a government job. A few years ago someone brought a Sherman for temp display at Aberdeen. It leaked a bit of oil and since APG sits atop the fresh water reservoir for Washington DC, there was an immediate high level panic and subsequent over reaction at all stages of government mis management. This tank did not even belong to the Army...it was a visitor.[X(] This has resuted in teams being organized to visit every military museum to drain ALL fuilds from ALL vehicles, to include final drives. Even the gun recoil cylinders and hydrospring and power traverse reservoirs were drained. [:@] What has resulted; ...whereas before, to move or relocate a vehicle, we would hook a 5 ton wrecker or VTR and just drag or jockey it around....or tow it to the paint shop. Now, since everything in the final drive gear train is rusted together, we have to HIRE a pair of civilian heavy duty cranes to lift the tank/APc onto a trailer and drive it there, and the same cranes unload it. I tried this summer to move the turret and main gun on both our Pershings and the E8 Sherman...no go....all frozen tight. One exception (overlooked) is our M-41 Walker Bulldog. It traverses like it just came out of the factory and the gun elevates and depresses very smooth. I've been trying to get them to allow me to to drop an engine in it and get it running...it's in pretty decent condition and would only take about a month ..but LIABILITY.[:@], $$$[:@], insurance[:@]. But, when the new museum complex is built, I will clean it up, paint the inside, install MGs, dummy ready rack ammo and build a walkway to let people look into the open hatches. A running museum tank....omigod!!! [sm=confused_smile.gif][sm=omg_smile.gif][&:] Thats only for silly-villian museums with finances to get 'em running.
This eco system has everyone in a panic, especially if you have a government job. A few years ago someone brought a Sherman for temp display at Aberdeen. It leaked a bit of oil and since APG sits atop the fresh water reservoir for Washington DC, there was an immediate high level panic and subsequent over reaction at all stages of government mis management. This tank did not even belong to the Army...it was a visitor.[X(] This has resuted in teams being organized to visit every military museum to drain ALL fuilds from ALL vehicles, to include final drives. Even the gun recoil cylinders and hydrospring and power traverse reservoirs were drained. [:@] What has resulted; ...whereas before, to move or relocate a vehicle, we would hook a 5 ton wrecker or VTR and just drag or jockey it around....or tow it to the paint shop. Now, since everything in the final drive gear train is rusted together, we have to HIRE a pair of civilian heavy duty cranes to lift the tank/APc onto a trailer and drive it there, and the same cranes unload it. I tried this summer to move the turret and main gun on both our Pershings and the E8 Sherman...no go....all frozen tight. One exception (overlooked) is our M-41 Walker Bulldog. It traverses like it just came out of the factory and the gun elevates and depresses very smooth. I've been trying to get them to allow me to to drop an engine in it and get it running...it's in pretty decent condition and would only take about a month ..but LIABILITY.[:@], $$$[:@], insurance[:@]. But, when the new museum complex is built, I will clean it up, paint the inside, install MGs, dummy ready rack ammo and build a walkway to let people look into the open hatches. A running museum tank....omigod!!! [sm=confused_smile.gif][sm=omg_smile.gif][&:] Thats only for silly-villian museums with finances to get 'em running.
EEK... Eco nuts.... dont let them near the Panzer Museum in Munster Germany, Every tank there had a few puddles under it (see pics), Including the outdoor tanks like their t-55's, but then again just about everything there gets driven atleast once a year
11-04-2009, 05:26 PM
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That's a sad story Pattoncommander. What do you expect when government weasels invent things like global warming in order to control your money. Opp's, I mean climate change, they renamed it since most scientific data points to the fact that the globe is not heating up.
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11-04-2009, 06:51 PM
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Not to get off the subject, but I was wondering if anyone here knows the laws on owning a tank...as a show vehicle. Is it legal? I have seen military vehicles owned by civilians and brought out to show, but never a tank. Just curious on the laws regarding these things.
