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Old 02-24-2010, 01:20 AM
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We are sure getting a lot of new tankers! That is great!

This is for the folks that just got into the hobby.

You are now in a new world of excietment, and fun. Want to make it even more fun. Do a bit of Digging, ad you will find why tanks are the way they were and are. Here are some questions for you. You don't have to answer them here, this is not a test, and by no means is it a "Wow, look how smart Don is." No this is for you to learn a bit of tank history, maybe make you look at your model in a different way.

Here we go.

Find the name of the man that developed a new type of tank suspension. He was ignored in his own country.

Find the tanks known as "Funnies"

Which one time leader of a nation was really the nucleas for tank warfare?

The German PZ 35 38 came from where?

The Panther was the first tank to use what in combat?

What is the name of the Armor used on the M1A1?

What feature does the Russian T72 have that American tanks do not?

What are the balls and chains on the back of the MERAVA for?

Do the Iranians have a home built tank?

The worlds first assault Rifle the MP 40, was fitted with a barrel to shoot around corners. Why?

What is a SABOT round?

What is a T-34/85?

What do the M1A1 and the Leopard have in common?

Have fun and learn learn learn!

Don
Old 02-24-2010, 01:23 AM
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You're awesome brother!! I love these little tips and things. You should have a talk show. We can call it Tanker's hour!!!
Old 02-24-2010, 01:26 AM
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From the back of my head, without using internet search engine or my books...I can answer...

Find the name of the man that developed a new type of tank suspension. He was ignored in his own country.
Christie

Find the tanks known as ''Funnies''
Churchill crocodile is one of these

Which one time leader of a nation was really the nucleas for tank warfare?
ooooooooo I don't know about this one

The German PZ 35 38 came from where?
Czech

The Panther was the first tank to use what in combat?
Kursk?

What is the name of the Armor used on the M1A1?
Chobbbbbbbam

What feature does the Russian T72 have that American tanks do not?
Autoloader

What are the balls and chains on the back of the MERAVA for?
To predetonate RPGs

Do the Iranians have a home built tank?
em em No?

The worlds first assault Rifle the MP 40, was fitted with a barrel to shoot around corners. Why?
I thought MP44 was the first assault rifle
What is a SABOT round?
"something" to hold the subcalibre projectile in place hehehehehe sorry I am too lazy to write it all out

What is a T-34/85?
T-34 with 85mm main gun

What do the M1A1 and the Leopard have in common?
You mean leopard 1 or 2?
If Leopard 2, then chobbam, same gun, and both are "sort of" derived from MBT 70

Have fun and learn learn learn!

Don
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:28 AM
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Is number 3 Hitler?
Old 02-24-2010, 01:29 AM
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Yeah you're right...Hitler does sound like it
Old 02-24-2010, 01:32 AM
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Cool!! and wasn't the Panther the first to use night viision technology?
Old 02-24-2010, 01:42 AM
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hehehehe oh yeah I misread that question hehehehe my bad my bad
Old 02-24-2010, 03:24 AM
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Find the name of the man that developed a new type of tank suspension. He was ignored in his own country.

This could be the American Walter Christie. But he wasn't ignored in the U.S. In fact, he built the T3 M1931 Infantry tank for the Army.

Find the tanks known as ''Funnies''

The Sherman DD could be considered one of these.

Which one time leader of a nation was really the nucleas for tank warfare?

Hitler, if you adhere to the notion that the German invented modern tank warfare. They didn't. Guderian and the Wermacht actually based a lot of their blitzkrieg ideas from the theories of a now-relatively unknown British officer named Major General J.F.C. Fuller.

The German PZ 35 38 came from where?
Czechoslovakia

The Panther was the first tank to use what in combat?
Infrared?

What is the name of the Armor used on the M1A1?

Chobham? Or are you talking about the depleted uranium inserts?

What feature does the Russian T72 have that American tanks do not?
An Autoloader, the ability to fire a guided missile through the gun tube, built-in bulldozer blade, etc etc.

What are the balls and chains on the back of the MERAVA for?
To prematurely detonate incoming HEAT rounds.

Do the Iranians have a home built tank?

Yes, they build copies of Soviet-era tanks like the T-55s, T-72s, also modernized copies of the British Chieftains, American M60s, M48s, etc. If you're talking about an Iranian designed tank, then there's reports of the Iranians producing a tank called the Zulfiqar, which is reported to have been derived from a combination of the T-72, M48, and the M60. But it looks like the Abrams. :lol:

The worlds first assault Rifle the MP 40, was fitted with a barrel to shoot around corners. Why?

The world's first assault rifle, (a rifle the fires an intermediate rifle round, and not a pistol round like the MP 40) is the STG-44. They were sometimes fitted with the "Krummlauf", which enabled the user to fire around the corner. These weren't very popular due to the very short barrel life, and quite unnecessary in urban combat.

What is a SABOT round?

It's the thing that holds a subcaliber round when being fired from a cannon or a gun.

What is a T-34/85?
A T-34 with a new 3-man turret and an 85mm gun.

What do the M1A1 and the Leopard have in common?
Not much. The Leopard 2 and the Abrams both uses the Rheinmetall 120mm smoothbore gun. But the Leopard does NOT have the Chobham armor. It uses perforated spaced armor. With the Leopard 2A6 use of the longer L55 120mm gun, the Leopard and the Abrams have nothing in common anymore.


Old 02-24-2010, 05:35 AM
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Good one, Don;

1; suspension; Christie
2; funnies;any tank w/unusual gear as mine rollers, flails, other than standard weapons.
3; combined arms; Uncle Adolph with GO GUderian
4; T-35/38; Skoda, Czech
5; Panther; sloped armor copied from the T-34
6; Chobham composit armor
7; T-72; auto loader & driver compartnent death trap
8; Merkhava; heat round detonator
9; Iran; made copies and mods
10; MP-40; to shoot enemy off back of tank
11; sabot; sabot is the shell holding the tungston projectile. Petals fall off, creating air chamber which rips off sabot.
12; T-34 modified with new turret and 85mm gun
13; same 120mm gun and Chobham armor

Old 02-24-2010, 05:56 AM
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2. Hobarts Funnies (not sure of the spelling) - A series of tanks engineering/minesweeping/bridge laying etc converted for the D-day landings. There was one which carried a large rolled up mat for crossing soft sand.

I didn't know about Iran (though I'd guess they had a licence to build Russian tanks) or about the MP40. So guess I'm not a geek after all.
Old 02-24-2010, 07:40 AM
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GREAT IDEA DON, HERE ARE SOME MORE BRAIN TEASERS, BOTH FOR FUN, INTEREST AND EDUCATION;

1; Name three designations for M-2. (There are actually 4) 1;Marmon Harrington light 1940, M-2 Medium tank 1939, M-2 Carbine

2; Name two designations for M-26 2; M-26 Pershing and M-26 Draggon Wagon recovery vehicle

3; What is a "Ram" 3; Canadian M-4A5 with side door and special turret.

4; What is a CDL Tank, where was it used? 4; M-3 Lee with searchlight in special turret. Panama Canal Defense and Germany 1945

5; What are the differences between the basic Lee and Grant Med Tank. 5; British Grant had larger turret housing radio and eliminating the cal 30 mg cupola.

6; Differences between PzKpfw IV F1 and F2. What did the British call the F-2?..6; F-1 75mm howitzer. F-2 had the long 75mm which the brits called Mk IV Special.

7; When the US cut the five man tank crew to four....who was eliminated? 7; Bow gunner

8; Initial Shermans were issued with 4 cal 30 MGs....where were they? 8; coax, ball mount in bow and two over the transmission, fired by the driver.

9; How did the bow gunner aim his MG? 9; Watch tracers thru his periscope

10: The USA had only one Heavy Tank Battalion. What was the tank they used? 10; 33d HTB Germany M-103 on M-48A1 chassis
Old 02-24-2010, 08:54 AM
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Wouldn't three be Churchill (wasn't leader when he did it though - hence 'one time')?

Geoff

Edit. Sorry, above meant as reply to first set of Qs. Ram was a Canadian tank, not Churchill, though some of the things said about him .........
Old 02-24-2010, 11:18 AM
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The worlds first assault Rifle the MP 40, was fitted with a barrel to shoot around corners. Why?

It was made for the Elefant to give the crew some defense against troops. Seeing as to how it was built w/o any machine guns
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Lessee,

Christie
Sherman, Churchill
Winston Churchill
Czech
Infrared gun sighting
? Sorry, little interest in modern armour for the next bunch of ?'s.
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Shoot around corners for urban street fighting
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T34 with 85mm
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:08 PM
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Yes I believe it was the STG-44 and not the MP40 that had the curved barrel. The general idea of the curved barrel was to provide tank crews the ability to fire at enemy troops near or on their tanks through weapon portholes, thus keeping the crew and tank safe from being overrun. I believe this became necessary especially on the Eastern front.

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ORIGINAL: torpedochief

.............The worlds first assault Rifle the MP 40, was fitted with a barrel to shoot around corners. Why?............!

Don
The MP-40 was not an assault rifle, it was a sub-machine gun as Hatakashi already stated
The "Krummer Lauf" (bent barrel) was designed to give better coverage in urban combat. It was never issued for the MP-40, but instead for the Sturmgewehr 44, although it was primarily designed for the MP-43.

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Very Good job you guys!
Yes it was Churchill.

Oops on my part it was the MP44. Now guys keep diggning and learning. You will find just about every type of person and technical inovation known. Not only will that help you build your model but give you a bit of insight as to what your model did in the real world.

Don
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Good on you guys!

Here are some more.

Where did the material come from to make the Hedge Row Cutters, fitted on US tanks at Normandy?

What nation and more and better tanks during the Invasion of France?

Who designed a US Tanker Uniform that was never adopted?

Who was the Abrams named after?

Why do some tanks have angled armor?

Does armor plate bend?

What did the term MALE and FEMALE mean on WWI English tanks?

Who is the Sherman Tank named for?

What is the smallest German tank to have a CAT's name.

What is the difference in a Sherman, Firefly, Easy 8, and Jumbo Sherman?

Once agian this is not designed to have you give the answers here. This is for you to study if you wish and learn. What I aim to do is open your mind a bit and give you the tools to research the history of Armored Warfare. For example: I really don't know the answer to the last one.

Enjoy my Brothers!

DOn

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Where did the material come from to make the Hedge Row Cutters, fitted on US tanks at Normandy?
- German beach anti-tank implements

Who designed a US Tanker Uniform that was never adopted?
- George Patton

Who was the Abrams named after?
- General Abram's, who was one of Patton's tank generals.

Why do some tanks have angled armor?
- deflects energy through a thicker cross section of the plate.

What did the term MALE and FEMALE mean on WWI English tanks?
- Male had cannon, the females had MG's

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It was designed to shoot enemy tropps of the back of the tank.
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1; water landing obstacle materials
2; France
3; Patton
4; Gen Creighton Abrams
5; deflect AP rounds
6; NO
7; better tank crew morale
8; the Best Union General
9; Lynx
10; firefly;= 17 pounder, E8= HVVS, 23" T84 track, 76mm, Jumbo= asault tank w/ added armor.
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Find the name of the man that developed a new type of tank suspension. He was ignored in his own country.
Walter Christy - went to Russia

Find the tanks known as "Funnies"

Anything pre-WWII :-)

Which one time leader of a nation was really the nucleas for tank warfare?
Guardian!(German)

The German PZ 35 38 came from where?
Czec-Republic

The Panther was the first tank to use what in combat?
Vampire IR Night vision

What is the name of the Armor used on the M1A1?
Chabom - British design!

What feature does the Russian T72 have that American tanks do not?
Auto Loader and a death trap

What are the balls and chains on the back of the MERAVA for?
protect the weak spot of the armour and deflect or explode a round before it hits

Do the Iranians have a home built tank?
Depends how many the captured from the first Gulf war

The worlds first assault Rifle the MP 40, was fitted with a barrel to shoot around corners. Why?
To knock Russians off their tanks

What is a SABOT round?
Hi-energy projectile

What is a T-34/85?
A up gunned T34 to 85mm

What do the M1A1 and the Leopard have in common?
number of road wheels
120mm smoothbore cannon from same German company
both butt and shoot at the same time.
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add to my reply on the KrummLauf MG. This weapon was also considered for use while testing the M-41 (T-37) in 1952. The original Bulldog turret had a pistol port and the bent barrel was considered to use from the pistol port against enemy troops on the back or turret. It was discarded and no port designed for the new turret.
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ORIGINAL: hatakashi

From the back of my head, without using internet search engine or my books...I can answer...

Find the name of the man that developed a new type of tank suspension. He was ignored in his own country.
Christie

Find the tanks known as ''Funnies''
Churchill crocodile is one of these

Which one time leader of a nation was really the nucleas for tank warfare?
ooooooooo I don't know about this one

The German PZ 35 38 came from where?
Czech

The Panther was the first tank to use what in combat?
Kursk?

What is the name of the Armor used on the M1A1?
Chobbbbbbbam

What feature does the Russian T72 have that American tanks do not?
Autoloader

What are the balls and chains on the back of the MERAVA for?
To predetonate RPGs

Do the Iranians have a home built tank?
em em No?

The worlds first assault Rifle the MP 40, was fitted with a barrel to shoot around corners. Why?
I thought MP44 was the first assault rifle
What is a SABOT round?
''something'' to hold the subcalibre projectile in place hehehehehe sorry I am too lazy to write it all out

What is a T-34/85?
T-34 with 85mm main gun

What do the M1A1 and the Leopard have in common?
You mean leopard 1 or 2?
If Leopard 2, then chobbam, same gun, and both are ''sort of'' derived from MBT 70

Have fun and learn learn learn!

Don
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The funnies were Hobarts funnies and the crocodial tank was one of them
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isn't #3 called "explosive reactive armour" do prevent the RPGs (hollow charges) from penetrating?

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