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Old 08-22-2010, 10:27 PM
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Well guys as many of you know, my addiction to this hobby has been fast and furious for about a year now. I have acquired 6 tanks in this tiume and I am down to 5 including an HL Tiger 1 with asiatam hull and many other upgrades, Tauchpanzer III w/asiatam hull, elmod, asiatam recoil unit, Tamiya Perhsing, HL PZIII with 3:1 asiatam gearboxes, and my Mato Sherman w/ Tamiya electronics. Now I was contemplating an Abrams build which is definitely in my future. I decided to first spend my money on the tanks I already have in my house. My Tiger 1 has been problematic with the late road wheels constantly seperating and the HL electronics need to go. How's this for a plan? 3:1 boxes with 400 motors, early asiatam wheels and elmod for the tiger, 3;1 boxes for the Tauchpanzer, Asiatam lower for the stock PzIII along with elmod, asiatam recoil unit, and then some Osketten tracks? Wel, I didn't say it was a good plan....but it's a start.
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Old 08-22-2010, 11:07 PM
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My wallet hurts just reading that.
Old 08-22-2010, 11:10 PM
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Like I said...it may not be the best plan.
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Default RE: Decided to spend some more money

yellowshaker,

VERY nice tanks! You did a remarkable job detailing your armor and you've set a pretty high bar for me to reach.

How did you paint and weather the tracks on your Pz and Tiger tanks? They look fantastic!

Al
Old 08-23-2010, 07:58 AM
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ORIGINAL: yellowshaker

Like I said...it may not be the best plan.
Just to clarify....you're about to drop another $500-$600 into a Heng Long Tiger......
Why not just get the Tam Tiger?
Or just run with this special plan I've come up with, just for you!



Old 08-23-2010, 08:45 AM
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ORIGINAL: yellowshaker

Like I said...it may not be the best plan.
Just to clarify....you're about to drop another $500-$600 into a Heng Long Tiger......
Why not just get the Tam Tiger?Or just run with this special plan I've come up with, just for you![img][/img][img][/img]




This is where it gets tricky. I tricked out $600 Heng Long with El Mod will in some ways be superior to an out of the box Tamiya, and yet in others still be inferior. So it all boils down to what the end user enjoys. Quite frankly an enjoyable part of this hobby(I know you will understand this point very well) is buying parts and waitng for them to show up in the mail.!!!!!! However if you are going to buy a Heng Long and then turn around and make it equivilent to an OTB Tamiya, you might just want to start with the Tamiya in the first place. However if metal upgrades are your game , with road wheels, suspension pieces and then El-MOD, you are going to end up with 3/4 off your Tamiya sitting in the box. This reply is not intended to start another flaming debate between the two. It is more to demonstrate that with all the third party add ons availble, it is not so much about cost as it is builder preferences to what makes them happy. Some are satisfied with building the finely engineered Tamiya's, others get their enjoyment, by shopping around and going the upgrade route. So it really is a personal modeling choice, and not a financial one.
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great paint jobs!
Old 08-23-2010, 09:09 AM
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sounds first class. go for it!
Old 08-23-2010, 09:14 AM
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ORIGINAL: YHR


ORIGINAL: BiggTony


ORIGINAL: yellowshaker

Like I said...it may not be the best plan.
Just to clarify....you're about to drop another $500-$600 into a Heng Long Tiger......
Why not just get the Tam Tiger?Or just run with this special plan I've come up with, just for you![img][/img][img][/img]




This is where it gets tricky. I tricked out $600 Heng Long with El Mod will in some ways be superior to an out of the box Tamiya, and yet in others still be inferior. So it all boils down to what the end user enjoys. Quite frankly an enjoyable part of this hobby(I know you will understand this point very well) is buying parts and waitng for them to show up in the mail.!!!!!! However if you are going to buy a Heng Long and then turn around and make it equivilent to an OTB Tamiya, you might just want to start with the Tamiya in the first place. However if metal upgrades are your game , with road wheels, suspension pieces and then El-MOD, you are going to end up with 3/4 off your Tamiya sitting in the box. This reply is not intended to start another flaming debate between the two. It is more to demonstrate that with all the third party add ons availble, it is not so much about cost as it is builder preferences to what makes them happy. Some are satisfied with building the finely engineered Tamiya's, others get their enjoyment, by shopping around and going the upgrade route. So it really is a personal modeling choice, and not a financial one.
I certainly agree with the aspects of every joyful part of the hobby and don't disagree with what you've said. Money isn't everything and as long as one doesn't mind the amount of investment one puts into a particular tank, then more power to them. I love both HL and Tamiya, maybe HL more because I can get more for my money and can treat them as starter kits. But it seems that most of our aim is to have aTamiyaequivalent. Which it is my personal opinion that even with an Asiatam hull added to my PIII, and if I were to get an elmod for it, still wouldn't beequivalent. There's so much that goes into a Tamiya kit to provide the quality and durability thatimprovementof sounds and adding asiatam upgrades, still doesn't compare to a Tamiya tank....on the surface it does. I've broken down my asiatam hull down to the washers and it still doesn't compare the complexity of a Tamiya hull and road wheels. ....I sound like a Tamiya convert, don't I? lol

Anyway, I do understand that people have various desires and saving money isn't always at the top of the list, but I often think people forget that on their journey they've set on to make their tanks rival a Tamiya, they don't consider the money they will lose when thinking they are going the best route. Unfortuanely there aren't many vendors out there that will offer you a built HL with what you wanted and offer a discount for parts they've kept. Even if you were to hire one of the vendors to build you a tank to specs, they get to keep the RX-18, airsoft unit, stock lower, etc....and you don't see the savings of it....because it's a waste either way.

I don't know, for me....If I anticipate my HL tanks going higher than $500 (which includes the tank) it's time to open up to another avenue. As metal in this scale isn't impressive once it's painted and doesn't improve the functionality of the tank that I've noticed in my PIII. If anything, it's highly taxing to my electronics and power source.

Regardless, this isn't a HL, tamiya bash for anyone thinking this is anopportunityto chime in, cause I'll defend them both.
It's simply about logic and sensibility.
Old 08-23-2010, 10:55 AM
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Rudy, I used my airbrush to paint the tracks. I used a steel color and dusted it on a few light coats. After that I dusted it with red brown.
YHR is right. I am not trying to compare HL and Tamiya cost wise or otherwise. I enjoy the building apects alot. Not so much the assembling a kit, but modifying and upgrading from a base. The HL tanks give me that base to work with. I have made my 149 dollar mato sherman a Tamiya FO tank and spent some god money doing so. Is it worth it? o me it is. My Tiger 1 already has more into it than a stock Tamiya. Is it worth it? Again, it is to me. If I was building these things and then trying to sell them, would I make a profit? Most likely not, but that's not my plan. I have 1 stock PZ III left, it's the one painted in DAK colors. I may well buy an asiatam lower for it as it already has the 3:1 boxes. I would have to go for a new barrel and recoil uniit as well, but hey, it will be alot of fun for me.
Tony, I do believe that the weight added helps because the tanks gain traction and the suspension works more realistically than the lighter tanks. I like elmod and I like Tamiya...and I can see no end in sight to spending money on this hobby. After all, it is the closest I am going to get to owning and driving a full size piece of armor.
So, now I have to figure out what to do first.
Old 08-23-2010, 10:56 AM
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Very nice work indeed. Congratulations on doing an excellent job!
Old 08-23-2010, 12:25 PM
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Thanks Bill. How's things?
Old 08-23-2010, 01:17 PM
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It is a fun hobby,but like all hobbys i have observed what you will get out of it is the fun.They are all loosing propisitions when it comes to the money you have invested in them.I have been here for over three years and have seen a lot of members come and go,so that tells me there are a lot of models sitting on the shelf just like mine are.I have not charged a tank battery in over a year
and most of my models are still in new condition with only a short test run on most of them.My fun was in tearing the guts out of some of them and putting in better boards and better tracks.I still have 34 misc tanks and military hummers and the good part is I only have around 2500 in the whole collection.There are some members here who have some good sized collections.I have-1/6-1/12-1/24-and some smaller that i don't know the actual scale along with a few 1/35 scale kit models that i built.I listed mine for sale for $1500.00 dollars and might as well put a price of $40.000.00 on them.

For a time this forum was very busy and a lot of guys buying tanks.Ebay was cooking and the forum classifieds were doing very good.It seemed to allways slow down a little during the summer months but I'm wondering if the bubble poped on the tank hobby and will not get back to were it was in the past.??I'm sure the economy that hit the skids was a big part of it,so I guess time will tell.The last few times i looked at ebay it was dead and only the rip-off sellers were there trying to hang on for the buyer's who did not know what they were doing.

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You're right BIGMIG. If someone is doing this in hopes to make a profit, it probably won't work out. I am doing it for the enjoyment it brings me. I have only scratched the surface on what can be done with these tanks and I am loving it all the way. As I said ebfore, to me it is worth the money I put out there. If I didn't like it I'd have given it up at my initial purchase, but as you can see, that didn't happen. I am going to use the asiatam patrts for my HL's. (just 1 left to go now) and then the electronics upgrades and then move on to another build...which will most likely be an Abrams.
Old 08-23-2010, 06:54 PM
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My bad, didn't mean to start anything or make one defend their reasoning. To each is their own, right?
Anyway, get it while it's hot!
This ebay seller's a pretty good guy. Even cancelled the HE leo for me with no problems and said if I wanted, he's sell it to me for a discounted price later should I want it again, for posting the previous thread that helped him move the last 5 he had. Got the last of me leo parts today, whoot! It'll soon be time for me to resign from the forums or take a long vacation, but that'll be after I finish the Leo. So stay tuned.
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No issue Tony. I was asking for it with this post LOL. You're right, to each their own brother. I'm having a good time doing these types of builds. Don't get me wrong, I love my Tamiya tank. I will get more of them too, just want to get all my current stuff up to snuff. Thanks for the link too
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Nice work on the tanks! I see you have a plan for all of the German tanks. What's in store for the US tanks?
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Well, the US tanks I currectly own are the Sherman and Perhsing, both of which are Tamiya FO tanks now. The most I will do is change the gearboxes in the Sherman at some point. For now, the stock ones are working perfectly, so I may wait to break them first.
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I'd rather have a tank and no money,
                                           than money and no tank.

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lol i like that.
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Your Tanks are great, I like at most the Paintshop from Sherman and Tiger.

Your Plans are very expensive, and not bad, but you really need all this?

A lot Metallparts are not usefull and expensive, after you paint it, you can´t see it´s metal or Plastic. My way is, first try to buildt by myself, if this don´t work, i can buy it. Electrical stuff has to be the best , Function has to by best and i like Metalltracks.
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I'm all for the metal parts. THe plastic just doesnt take the abuse. Great tanks. I've been thinking about elmod. I wanna get indivisual track control on one of my tanks down the road.
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yeah am following tony's reasoning too, its fun to convert but that you can do with a tamiya too, i have proofed that i think ...
You can upgrade what you want in the end its still a HL with a lot of good stuff, maybe good motors and suspension but by no means at the same durability as tamiya originals

I love My HL panther, jagdpanther, Tiger I and my WSN Tiger I but i have to spend more than a tamiya cost to get the same

But when you start your upscratched tamiya, the sound alone vibrates into your ears, the ridingpatern gives you satesfaction, hardly anything can't get broke ... its amezing that feeling

yeah my panther rides good but it is far from between my tamiya sherman or my king tigers rides aside, looking both very good

but its you that have decide, what you want ....

my next is tamiya pershing, the sound sublime, the flash and 90mm gunsound shivers your skin lol

have fun that's whats count

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What I'm trying to do in my usual devious manner is to get you involved in a really big project. You have the skills now to do all the upgrades needed for motive reliability, so why not go the next step? The learning curve ain't that bad. If I can do it with my bad eyes and phat clumsy fingers, you surely can too.
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volvospeed you are right

servoblast am agree he is more than ready to do a scratch conversion, solve problems what not is in the kit is fun sometimes devastating but you always can rework it when go bad at the end you'll be amezed what you accomplished

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