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Pcomm1.v2 11-08-2019 01:43 AM

Proxy IR fight suggestion, LOL.
 
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ďMy offer stands to meet on the field of IR combat with your best vs my best. There are two club battles a month here in SoCa. So there is plenty of opportunity to battle or if you prefer just a ďdrive offĒ challenge and no battling. I am sure there are many folks that would love to watch. I would love to eat my words and be proven wrong. So the ball is now in your court.Ē

Let me translate for you, ďstick it where the sun donít shineĒ means, well let Rich explain it to you. South El Monte, San Gabriel Valley, LA County, CA, the location for LA Tank fun is not exactly a first choice weekend travel destination and going south to San Diego, while tempting, would probably mean I would not get past San Onofre, either to watch the Marines invade the coastline or to longboard surf. Simply, I have many other fun interests that preclude wasting time with you, but...

Counter proxy offer:

What I will suggest is that Jerermy Deeís young sons fight you using the Heng Long Sherman 75mm and the ZTZ Chinese Army Heavy Tank, both Tamiya DMD MFU TBU RC IR equipped, both my builds, or whatever they got that day, in a take no prisoners infrared fight against Fsstank. Two young male children against a tough old dude like you, seems a really good fight idea.

Good luck Fsstank and the Deeís! I am sure Rich can take care of the site, fight planning and rules of engagement arrangements. Do post the results at rcu tanks, still will not be there, LOL.

And...Tamiya only? Donít think so, LOL. Dude no one cares about your reasons to play with HL, just do it and have fun. I like RTR too, HL, Taigen, Haya, Torro etc, all are good and fun. So, while HL is eventually a throw away infrared rc tank platform, I have had in the motor pool the Heng Long Pz3L, a couple of HL Shermanís, a couple of Abrams, the ZTZ. For Taigen, the Jagdtiger and Torro the M16 Half Track and T34/76. Some I modified and upgraded others I left alone so family and various kids on the block could play with them. A few of the RTR motor pool, past and present starting around 2005. Bye.

John

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mustclime 11-08-2019 04:51 AM

Wow, this thread went south fast... OP, nice tank but IMO if you offer HL grade running gear, the price is a bit high.
Sadly, another missed opportunity.


Imex-Erik 11-08-2019 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by mustclime (Post 12562279)
Wow, this thread went south fast... OP, nice tank but IMO if you offer HL grade running gear, the price is a bit high.
Sadly, another missed opportunity.


While it may be a bit high we have to applaud him for doing such a specialized model like that and with the quality he did. Things like road wheels and such can be fixed later but just bringing it out on the market is much more important. It is very expensive (and time consuming!) to make new tanks, not only are there physical costs but there is a lot of R&D that goes into tanks. What I personally see are minor issues that I think the community will fix pretty easily. One of the big advantages to using production parts is the parts availability and keeping costs down for replacements for the customers. I will bet it wont take long to start seeing some real nice upgrades from the guys over at DKLM or RCTANK for it honestly. While I haven't seen it in person I do give it a thumbs up so far.

mustclime 11-08-2019 07:42 AM

I just wish someone come out with $300-500 out of the box IR battle tank that could be upgraded.....itís what the hobby needs to pull more people in...the hobby will never grow with such a high start up cost for new people.☹️

Crius 11-08-2019 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Fsttanks (Post 12562214)
the hobby is changing and your not keeping up and being left behind.




If you are what the RC tank hobby is changing into, then I prefer to be left behind. You are rude, arrogant and disrespectful. I remember when you first joined this forum. You bought a couple of cheap tanks and two months later you were an expert, dispensing bad advice on what gear boxes to buy. Then after you had been here about 14 months you started telling us how we have watched you work on these tanks "over the last few years". How 14 months suddenly became a few years I have no idea, but I suppose if you live in a fantasy world then anything is possible. You're trying to turn our hobby into a video game, where all that matters is performance on the battlefield, but there is a WHOLE LOT MORE to this hobby than just that. Some of these guys take things like detail and historical accuracy very seriously, and yet you disrespectfully refer to them as static Builders, when the truth is that they have probably forgotten more about radio control than you will ever know.

So go ahead, post your smart-alec response, but remember this, to the guys in this hobby that actually know what they're doing, you are a joke.

And John, I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but it doesn't do you any good to tell someone to put it where the sun doesn't shine if that person already has their head stuffed up there.

tankme 11-08-2019 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by mustclime (Post 12562329)
I just wish someone come out with $300-500 out of the box IR battle tank that could be upgraded.....it’s what the hobby needs to pull more people in...the hobby will never grow with such a high start up cost for new people.☹️

Well I think that was what Clark was thinking with the BT-7 project and he probably realized he couldn't hit the numbers or the deadlines he set for himself which is why that project is not actively being worked on anymore. Producing 300 tanks with ~100 die molded parts is an accomplishment all in itself and that doesn't include the tracks. This hobby will always be expensive. It has been expensive since I saw my first Tamiya tank in the back of the Tamiya catalog that came in my Tamiya Hornet R/C car when I was 10. It's not a mainstream hobby and therefore parts are built in small quantities by small vendors who build parts because they enjoy the hobby.

RichJohnson 11-08-2019 09:34 AM

Wow guys..... we need to take it down a notch...
I know all of you guys off line of this forum, and all of you are my friends...
All of you/ us have more experience and more to show than just what we display on this forum. I know you guys all go way back in RC tanks than what we are showing off here. Ive been lurking in this hobby for a long time and didnt really get active beyond one tank until several years ago.
I think the cockyness we are seeing is stemming from the annonimty of the forum and the lack of knowledge of each other. If we were all at an event I think everybody would get along just fine.
Lets get back to just yaking about the haya tank at hand.

Fsttanks 11-08-2019 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Crius (Post 12562336)
If you are what the RC tank hobby is changing into, then I prefer to be left behind. You are rude, arrogant and disrespectful. I remember when you first joined this forum. You bought a couple of cheap tanks and two months later you were an expert, dispensing bad advice on what gear boxes to buy. Then after you had been here about 14 months you started telling us how we have watched you work on these tanks "over the last few years". How 14 months suddenly became a few years I have no idea, but I suppose if you live in a fantasy world then anything is possible. You're trying to turn our hobby into a video game, where all that matters is performance on the battlefield, but there is a WHOLE LOT MORE to this hobby than just that. Some of these guys take things like detail and historical accuracy very seriously, and yet you disrespectfully refer to them as static Builders, when the truth is that they have probably forgotten more about radio control than you will ever know.

So go ahead, post your smart-alec response, but remember this, to the guys in this hobby that actually know what they're doing, you are a joke.

And John, I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but it doesn't do you any good to tell someone to put it where the sun doesn't shine if that person already has their head stuffed up there.

This from you a guy that recently admits in another thread and in his videos he only buys Heng Long and never battles them or rarely even drives them outside his home. I never bash on those that like to build high quality models for their modeling skills and often beautiful looking tanks, but I do point out when they equate the modeling aspect to their tank somehow making it superior to others in IR battling and running quality when they never or rarely leave the safety of their house.

You may not like me or what I do with my tanks but at least I get out of my house and participate and put my work in front of other to actually see and evaluated for good or bad.



Fsttanks 11-08-2019 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by RichJohnson (Post 12562372)
Wow guys..... we need to take it down a notch...
I know all of you guys off line of this forum, and all of you are my friends...
All of you/ us have more experience and more to show than just what we display on this forum. I know you guys all go way back in RC tanks than what we are showing off here. Ive been lurking in this hobby for a long time and didnt really get active beyond one tank until several years ago.
I think the cockyness we are seeing is stemming from the annonimty of the forum and the lack of knowledge of each other. If we were all at an event I think everybody would get along just fine.
Lets get back to just yaking about the haya tank at hand.

Yes Rich well said and you are right. Now back to HAYA Chieftain.

Panther F 11-08-2019 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Imex-Erik (Post 12562322)
While it may be a bit high we have to applaud him for doing such a specialized model like that and with the quality he did. Things like road wheels and such can be fixed later but just bringing it out on the market is much more important. It is very expensive (and time consuming!) to make new tanks, not only are there physical costs but there is a lot of R&D that goes into tanks. What I personally see are minor issues that I think the community will fix pretty easily. One of the big advantages to using production parts is the parts availability and keeping costs down for replacements for the customers. I will bet it wont take long to start seeing some real nice upgrades from the guys over at DKLM or RCTANK for it honestly. While I haven't seen it in person I do give it a thumbs up so far.

Exactly, kudos and many applauds! Remember when the WSN T-34 came out around 2005-2006 and needed SO much work to get it on the battlefield. (what a piece of junk) But we did it and it was the only T-34 for a LONG time. Those that are building this Sheridan really can't hold their head up too high for it has it's short comings too... and it was like 700 bucks. And NO RADIO!!!

I like it and want it. Now just to make the year just a little longer...

Pcomm1.v2 11-08-2019 10:12 AM

“So how can you judge me and call what I do wrong and hurtful to the hobby. In my eyes it is you with all your experience that hurts the hobby by not getting out of your house driving to a RC tank event and participating with others. Sorry YouTube is not the same as in person participating. Instead like John above you make excuse after excuse. You may not like me or what I do with my tanks but at least I get out of my house and participate and put my work in front of other to actually see and evaluated for good or bad.” Per Fsstank.

Well, here is where you are wrong. Enjoying the rc hobby with friends is what makes me most happy. The case of to much drama: That opportunity was lacking within the old bickering SCAT rc tank club and it was then I opted for friends running rc tanks in a private backyard arena. The rc tank club has its place and is often fun, there are many great clubs in the USA and Europe. Though, often they are spoiled by guys with your attitudes. As an example, LA Tank has had altercations (fights) at their battle games. Overly aggressive model guys with something to prove is a sad place to be dude. As for Rich Johnson’s group, looks like fun, until you realize they, at times, run in sand, ain’t going to do that to an expensive rc model that is built with heart. Due consider that modeling heart thing, not good to be clueless, Fsstank. Lastly, your mom should have taught you it does not matter what others think about you or your models.

In closing, I will still buy the new Haya and maybe have Rich and Fsstank test it and improve it as a dedicated rock climbing, bashing, photo opportunity rc tank runner; a new challenge, maybe? Or not, junker rc tanks are not part of my build vocabulary, LOL.







RichJohnson 11-08-2019 10:36 AM

I will test out anything to a certain limit. Usually just stuff that interests me but Im good at finding spots that needed to be modded for strength though im not a machinest like Daryl is.
FYI our San Diego battle field does not have sand. It has hard and soft powdery dirt and ground cover and brush. No sand like silica. I have been told be several that have been to many fields, that we have the best field they have ever seen as we rarely loose any tracks or break tanks on our field. It is perfect conditions as long as you stay off the SGMs grass.

My desert training center however does have sand, dunes, lots of them, and they are very soft and hard to drive in and hard on tanks. its very fun but I try to be careful when driving, often the system will stall out electrically before I break something. However I did eat a gear mid tranny in my m50 yesterday... It happens. time to go with a bullet proof eto unit.

tankme 11-08-2019 10:38 AM

All I know is that I have a tracking number for mine and it should be here soon... :)

mustclime 11-08-2019 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by tankme (Post 12562388)
All I know is that I have a tracking number for mine and it should be here soon... :)

cool, you can do the review 😀

Wozwasnt 11-09-2019 06:41 AM

Got my Chieftain the other day and I'm very pleased with it. The commanders copula is a bit naff but I'm converting it to a Mk10 so thats going to be changed.

£500 for the Pro version is a bit steep but it is a limited run (and I'm a Chieftain Fanboy). I think it's a lot better value then the Tamiya King Tiger.


One word of warning- be careful when you slide it out of the box, mine was upside down and all the accessories fell out.

afv aficionado 11-09-2019 12:21 PM

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Armortek Chieftain 1/6th cupola with acrylic block periscopes - WIP - Builder Youngjae Bae, South Korea
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Mylar sheet cut to fit periscopes
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Mylar sheet fitted to turret scopes - note reflections
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Source material for mylar sheet - mini chocolate bar multi pack - free from chocolate contamination
Hi Woz
Are you planning on doing a 3D print print upgrade for the cupola?
If so, would you consider doing one with empty periscopes - that would allow insertion of acrylic block scopes & mylar film (mirror)?

Mk 10 cupola - is that the one with periscopes angled downward at 15 degrees to prevent reflections? Pt 11 in Stephen Whites Mk 5 guide has a bit about it.

You might want to consider doing the latter NBC pack too - point 9 in the guide refers. Guide - Chieftain Mk 5 Guide - Armortek -

Mal

Wozwasnt 11-09-2019 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by afv aficionado (Post 12562652)
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Armortek Chieftain 1/6th cupola with acrylic block periscopes - WIP - Builder Youngjae Bae, South Korea
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Mylar sheet cut to fit periscopes
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Mylar sheet fitted to turret scopes - note reflections
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Source material for mylar sheet - mini chocolate bar multi pack - free from chocolate contamination
Hi Woz
Are you planning on doing a 3D print print upgrade for the cupola?
If so, would you consider doing one with empty periscopes - that would allow insertion of acrylic block scopes & mylar film (mirror)?

Mk 10 cupola - is that the one with periscopes angled downward at 15 degrees to prevent reflections? Pt 11 in Stephen Whites Mk 5 guide has a bit about it.

You might want to consider doing the latter NBC pack too - point 9 in the guide refers. Guide - Chieftain Mk 5 Guide - Armortek -

Mal

Hi

I'm going to print them in resin with clear resin periscopes.

afv aficionado 11-09-2019 02:00 PM

Cool - less work for me. Angled?

Mal

Andrewjohn 01-08-2020 02:35 AM

Action dust
 

Originally Posted by Fsttanks (Post 12562214)

My tanks perform as combat vehicles and are built accordingly. I am the first to point out the lower level of detail I go for because I know for first hand from IR battling and hard driving use that fine detail work is less durable and pointless once the tank is covered in action dust. But that is something you know little about. It is clear all you are is a static builder which is fine. I knew you could not put you money where your mouth is. You build or have someone else build your shelf queens for you. You talk like you battle but the fact is you know truly little about it. Sorry you will not take my offer of a challenge you might have learned something which is the hobby is changing and your not keeping up and being left behind.

I get it. Itís tough out there on the IR battlefield.
Out there, far from home, thereís no mercy, no second chances, itís man against man, toy tank against toy tank. Decisions are made in the blink of an eye that can affect a mans entire afternoon.
How many of these static modellers have any idea what itís like to lose a toy tank .?.. to lose a buddies tank..?!
But you do, I can tell. Youíve been there, you counted them all out, you counted them all back in, what was left of em anyway....youíve seen things youíd probably not want to talk about, yeah, I can see that. You got that ten yard stare..

Crius 01-08-2020 04:00 AM

Now that was funny, Andrew, you really have a way of putting things in perspective. I love the ten yard stare. ;)

mcovalsk 01-08-2020 06:04 AM

30 year ago I flew RC airplanes. My last one was a Graupner Cherokee 1/8. Once a week I used to drive 25Km to the flight field and spent hours flaying. Of course I had built the model and spent millions of hours detailing it with all the parts provided by Graupner, and all what I had at hand watching lots of pictures of the real airplane.

Was I a static modeler… well the wingspan had 2mts so I had to kept the model in the garage until the next time, so I guess that was not a shelf queen.

Of course I saw in the field many newcomers with small trainers, most of the times several flight hours converted them in teachers. To build or to buy a simple model for the first time make in the people the idea that is a genius. I felt so many moons ago.

I forgot to say that in that time I repaired RC for friends as a hobby so I had a wide vision, electronics, modeling and driving a model in the air.

Modeling has many facets, from the hunt for a model, the research for information, the build and of course the showcase or the ground / air / water if it is an RC. My grandsons play with my simple RC tanks, no many details on them as they use to shock them not having much experience in driving, but they are 7 and 5 years old.

I wonder if when you buy a real car, you ask for the simplest one, without luxuries or extras, just because you are going to drive on the street?

Maybe in a few years and after many models have passed under the bridge, some here change their minds regarding the goal of the hobby.


Pah co chu puk 01-08-2020 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Andrewjohn (Post 12574608)
I get it. Itís tough out there on the IR battlefield.
Out there, far from home, thereís no mercy, no second chances, itís man against man, toy tank against toy tank. Decisions are made in the blink of an eye that can affect a mans entire afternoon.
How many of these static modellers have any idea what itís like to lose a toy tank .?.. to lose a buddies tank..?!
But you do, I can tell. Youíve been there, you counted them all out, you counted them all back in, what was left of em anyway....youíve seen things youíd probably not want to talk about, yeah, I can see that. You got that ten yard stare..

That's the best post I've seen here in a while! Welcome aboard Andrewjohn.

Uparmor 01-08-2020 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by Andrewjohn (Post 12574608)
I get it. Itís tough out there on the IR battlefield.
Out there, far from home, thereís no mercy, no second chances, itís man against man, toy tank against toy tank. Decisions are made in the blink of an eye that can affect a mans entire afternoon.
How many of these static modellers have any idea what itís like to lose a toy tank .?.. to lose a buddies tank..?!
But you do, I can tell. Youíve been there, you counted them all out, you counted them all back in, what was left of em anyway....youíve seen things youíd probably not want to talk about, yeah, I can see that. You got that ten yard stare..

Are you kidding me! Dude best go read about the person fsttanks was directing his statement towards and the long back and forth they were BOTH giving. The statement was clearly aimed at Pcomm1.v2 that has been banded from this site MULTIPLE times and rarely has anything to offer except spiteful remarks that start the unfriendliness. Thatís why he keeps getting band! Then he simply comes back each time with a new account and screen name and starts all over.

I have been a post reader here for a long time and donít post much. That said I suspect you are Pcomm1.v2 the guy the remarks were solely aim at by fsttanks. You probably got strongly warned about being band again and to knock off your BS.....right John.

Flame suit on.......

RichJohnson 01-08-2020 04:14 PM

Guys, Im Sure AndrewJohn, is PCommv1.2 aka John. He has had a war on here with fast tanks. It sure soudns like him. They dont get along. But that post AndrewJohn made was deeply sarcastic and patronizing.

I know both people. i battle with fasttanks in the club. Pcommv1.2 does not come to battles any more but many know him from earlier days when he used to battle. Personality conflicts get to exacerbated here.

Fasttanks has built good battle tanks that perform and look good with performace upgrades and detailing out. He has put alot of effort into figuring out the henglong 6.0 system and how to make it workable in our clubs to get new people involved that cant afford a tamiya or gutting a tank and going clark for their first undertaking, Hes doing alot to help grow our hobby. Im not sure why he gets so much hate from group members here but its unwarranted.

Pcomm1.v2 01-08-2020 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by RichJohnson (Post 12574713)
Guys, Im Sure AndrewJohn, is PCommv1.2 aka John. He has had a war on here with fast tanks. It sure soudns like him. They dont get along. But that post AndrewJohn made was deeply sarcastic and patronizing.

I know both people. i battle with fasttanks in the club. Pcommv1.2 does not come to battles any more but many know him from earlier days when he used to battle. Personality conflicts get to exacerbated here.

Fasttanks has built good battle tanks that perform and look good with performace upgrades and detailing out. He has put alot of effort into figuring out the henglong 6.0 system and how to make it workable in our clubs to get new people involved that cant afford a tamiya or gutting a tank and going clark for their first undertaking, Hes doing alot to help grow our hobby. Im not sure why he gets so much hate from group members here but its unwarranted.

Naw, not me!

AndrewJohn is pretty funny and ME, Pcomm1.v2 ain’t either that funny and or certainly not using AndrewJohn as an alias name. Rich let’s give credit where credit is due! LOL.

Anyway, I left your friend alone after he asked for a truce due to the approaching holidays.
Rich, you do your friend a huge disservice by trying to be the diplomatic representative for him and offering up a bad theory. I understood what fasttrack was saying, he enjoys the hard running bashing, tune up, setup fun and IR fighting as a modeling priority for club fights and using a budget friendly fighting platform to do all that.

Now Rich, how about letting fasttrack fight his own battles, but for sure Rich leave me out of it with your false accusations. I would sue you for defamation of character, but I ain’t got any. LOL, but next time I might have some!

Brief Note: Others enjoy the military history, kit selection, build process, fine scale modeling, paint and weathering model skill development and mastery. Some enjoy the rc electronics creation and setup. A few enjoy scratch building, kit bashing and the making of IR Tamiya compatible IR fighters out of HL RC Tanks. All are valid and more. Fasttracks’ mistake was putting all that he enjoys and what he hobby values, into GI JOE comic book language. Silly move for sure.

Guessing, many guys here are USA Vets or Vets from other countries, some experiencing harsh duty and combat and most others serving honorably and doing their duty well in support roles and never being deployed. None for sure would confuse a rc tank hobby game with any form of military service activity. Just saying, bad choice of written tough words fasttracks.

Update: Probably be February before I order the Chieftan, still researching what to do with it. Impulsively spent my rc tank money on that huge novelty 1/12 HG MRAP and it is RTR fun.

Enjoy 2020, including even the sad sorry cases like Fasttrack and Rich Johnson. FYI, 8 and 9 year old locals Matt and Mark have been trying to ruin by hard driving and jumping my rc tanks way before fasttracks - @fsttracks, they or we adults just do not video it LOL...unrealistic rc tank operation abuse is totally normal for all little boys like fssttracks and is neither new or out of the box model thinking. Old children at best.

John





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