Well it's becoming more and more clear that a starterbox is the way to go for a truggy, and I've known for a while now that I'm gonna have to bite the bullet...

Not knowing anything about them though, I have a couple questions:

Is the Thunder Tiger starterbox with one 770 motor and dual stick packs powerful enough?

For starters it has to be dual stick packs, cuz I'm not gonna lug some car battery around....

I was told to get the Ofna truggy box, but here in Germany it plus two batteries would literally cost as much as a new engine itself.. The TT box is one of the very very few things I can get for a not preposterously inflated price here in Germany..

Also, the Ofna and Mugen boxes which I was looking at both have dual motors, so I was wondering if using dual stick packs would mean less juice to each motor, or just less overall battery time??..(as opposed to dual stick packs with the single-motor TT box..)

I was set on saving to get the Ofna box(grudgingly..), but Stussman says he's had no problems with the TT box plus OS 28 - exactly the engine I want to get...

Just wanted to know if anybody else has experience with it or other single motor boxes or anything else to add... I suspect I'm not the only MT guy moving to truggies having to face gettig a starterbox..

Thanks..

Patrick, why dont you order online, from a place like Tower Hobbies or A Main.?

Theyre really good, most of my parts are ordered from them.

I ordered my Losi from A Main.

I do sometimes but for anything over the size of an engine box say the shipping costs gets stupid..

Worst of all, from a legit shop like amain it almost always goes to Customs.. Then I have to add on %19 German sales tax and maybe extra Customs duties.. Worst thing though is that the Customs office is like a 45 minute tram-ride away to the a.ss end of town... Then you get to wait in line.....

Anyway, I just bought a new TT box from a dude in a forum for €50 shipped.. Seems like a lot of people here have them, and after reading a few more good comments about it, I just did it..

Yeah I know what your saying about customs, you think you have a shipping problem, over here we dont even get parts for anything, when we ship we pay half the price of a new truggy, then add 25% INTERNATIONAL Currency custom duty, its killing.

I placed an order for some parts and a jp 4 pipe from tower, the total was around $145 us, add in shipping $215, add custom duties, total comes up to around $275 US.

Luckily they call you and you give them your credit card # on the phone, and they charge it to you with out having to drive 2+ in all traffic to cover a distance of about 30 - 40 KMS.

Yu could buy half a new truck in that much. Well as long as it arrives safley, im ok.

As for starter boxes, I use one with the OS V-Spec. Ive never been a fan of starter boxes. Use a handy-starter for my .32 Ofna, love it.

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ducts_id/11556
i use this starter box for my eight t and my bros thunder tiger st1 only has one motor and use dual sticks seems to have enough power to turn over any engine i put on it

Hey Patrick, a 12v Gell Cell like this one [link=http://www.sloughrc.com/asp/default.asp?itemid=O-NP7/12]HERE[/link] should fit in your box...you should be happy with a one motor box...the only trouble is when your running in a high compression motor they can struggle a little...easier to pre heat engine.
I also bit the bullet and recently bought a starter box and are really happy with it...beats the heck out of pullstarting...oh and speaking of engines I drove my friends XUT Truggy the other day with a 5 port Go-Tech .21 and boy was I impressed, great power and when my K4.6 (which I have in my XUT) was out of fuel he still had 1/4 of a tank...and his was quicker...

Hey, thanks for that link.. How big is that thing though?? I didn't see any specs..

Engine-wise I kinda want that OS 28.. I just found out yesterday that some of the main racing action in Germany is like 2 - 2 1/2 hours away from me, instead of 4 like I thought.. I still have to find out more about it, which is just taking time figuring this all out in German, but if I decide to race I think I'll go with a Picco 21 Evo2.. The Hyper ST Pro isn't really a lightweight, so I want something ballsy... Plus if the racing doesn't pan out, I'll be bashing it.. BTW, a locally bought Picco Evo 2 costs more than the OS 28 including shipping ordered from Asia...(€200-220 for the Picco, €185 fo the OS inc shipping..)

well pat i actually just did some tinkering with my LRP (you read my thread in the engine forum yeah) and got it running from the bump box i have, took the OWB out of it, sealed the back plate up with a bolt and some high temp gasket sealant and filed out my chassis to get the wheel on the box to fit trough the chassis, and pulled the 12 volt bat out of dads car which gave it enough balls to turn over the LRP, run it today all day and all is fine, i don't think i'll be buying an engine with a one way bearing in it again, i just hope the con rod doesn't snap where the chunks were taken out of it by the OWB...

the box is an ansmann racing box, $85 aussie.. cheap

They have those Ansman boxes here too.. They ARE cheap - heck, I can even buy those in the city..

Anyways, I don't totally understand what you did to your backplate, but sounds good if you got it running.. BTW, how much fuel did you have through your LRP before the bearing went?

And yeah, I don't want a OWB engine in a truggy, cuz it's pretty clear to me truggies need all the RPM's they can get, not to mention mounting hassles with PS or rotostart backplates... Another factor for me is being able to use the one-piece engine mount on the Muggy, and hopefully avoid some clutch issues..(already gnarled up my Max life shoes with the LRP..)

I still like having an Axial pullstart in my Savage though, and wouldn't mind converting the Mach in my LST2 to pullstart.. So much easier... Nice to just have a glow ignitor in your pocket...

To start I'm gonna just have 2x stick packs, but I can imagine later I'll have to get a backup set too - 4x stickpacks ain't cheap, not to mention the hassle of charging them.. Yeah yeah a car battery is better - but it's also doesn't fit in my backpack... That that kind of convenience is important for bashing is undeniable IMO...

i'll pull the engine out and take some pics, it had i dunno maybe 20 liters through it when the OWB went.

EDIT- heres the pics, went from the setup on the left, to the one on the right (i have the back plate off of an old mach 427 on the LRP as is), plus a pic of the chassis and bump box.

Hmm.. 5 gallons ain't too bad though, and I know you run 'em hard*.. Still, sucks it happened..

ps Whoa, major question: you can use a bumpstart with that huge Mach backplate? I know the RTR comes with spinstart, but still - the engine must sit pretty high or??

* From what I hear, you'd be lucky to get that from an OS VSPEC, one of the most popular bump-start engines there is...

the engin sits real high, but with the ansmann i can get the truggy to sit low enough to get the starter wheel to hit the flywheel, but i had to take a fair chunk out of the chassis to make enough room so the starter wheel didn't rub.

the 8ight T RTR engine mount sit's high so the mach's can fit in the 8ight, i was told over and over it was impossible to make it bump start without the race roller engine mount, but it works..

thats the same box i've got, very small, lite and plenty of juice. motor is still good and i just put a new wheel on last month, its great on buggy or truggy. i used two screws with nuts on the base and drilled two holes on the chassis at the front and back and now it works for both cars.

obviously it doesnt work well enough for you to start your engine........ you sit there and bash starter boxes in another thread , yet you dont even bother to set one up properly....Your complaining to me about having to hack you chassis, then now I read that your trying to use a RTR engine mount, seriously what do you expect ?....No wonder your setup is not working well.....

As well stick packs suck.... you need to use a 12V gel cel motorcycle battery...they cost about $12.00 , they are small enough to fit inside the starter box, and they provide double the cranking power of two stick packs......

Heres the type of battery to run

http://www.rcplanet.com/Gel_Cell_12V_Battery_s/813.htm

you can find then cheaper if you look around, but this gives you an idea..... these batteries give you way more juice then stock packs, and cost much less.... and as I say they fit right into the starter boxes.

i use the ttr/AE box with the single motor and its a brute! its stronger than the boxes with the really big airplane starter motor. also a starter box has more power with 2 stick packs, it just doesnt last quite as long... ive tried both ways with my box and i much prefer stick packs.

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...oducts_id/2490

umm tib where'd this sudden burst of anger come from? now from what i recall i never bashed starter boxes, i said i rather use an electric hand starter, but now out of necessity i have set my truggy up for it (which involved filing a fair amount out of my chassis).. and as you can tell from my picture i'm using a 12 volt car battery, i just got back from running the truggy so it obviously turns it over plenty well enough.

you read in my thread in the engine forum that the starter box I am using sucks, but it was a bad batt that was causing it in the end, hence i stole the one out of dads car temporarily.

jeez

I bought the ofna duel motor box, I'm planning on using it to start an os 28 and a picco P7R Evo/2
Wondering if I'll have any issues using the starter box with this motor mount:

[link=http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/products_id/7574]CLICKY[/link]

TB

Jeeze, you have BOTH the engines I want?... No idea about the motor mount..