RTR Hellfire or RTR X1 CRT
02-16-2008, 11:01 PM
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RTR Hellfire or RTR X1 CRT
I cant decide,
I want the looks and the low grunt of the Hellfire.
But want I the Torque starter, the top speed, and the high ratings of the X1 CRT.
I dont know if I should swap the motors of the Hellfire for an O.S. 28 truggy engine.
Or if i should just get the X1 CRT and get the wheels and body from the Hellfire.
They also both perform well except for the Hellfires low-speed handling and the steering servo.
I want the looks and the low grunt of the Hellfire.
But want I the Torque starter, the top speed, and the high ratings of the X1 CRT.
I dont know if I should swap the motors of the Hellfire for an O.S. 28 truggy engine.
Or if i should just get the X1 CRT and get the wheels and body from the Hellfire.
They also both perform well except for the Hellfires low-speed handling and the steering servo.
02-16-2008, 11:09 PM
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RE: RTR Hellfire or RTR X1 CRT
The Hellfire is a horrible truggy. I have the X1 CRT Pro, and it's amazing. Definitely go with the X1 CRT. I also have the Hellfire wheels on my CRT, was supposed to get Crimefighters, but the guy gave me hellfire wheels and tires instead.
02-16-2008, 11:16 PM
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RE: RTR Hellfire or RTR X1 CRT
X2 what UG0TB4NN3D said...the Hellfire should be called the Hellfart....its a POS on wheels.....seriously its a heavy tank of a truggy that could'nt compete with the likes of a Jammin Losi Mugen Kyosho if HPI's company future depended on it....Plain and simple its Junk stay as far away as possibly from it.......and YES to all the Hellfart Fanboyz i speak from Personal Experience.
02-16-2008, 11:21 PM
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RE: RTR Hellfire or RTR X1 CRT
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X2 what UG0TB4NN3D said...the Hellfire should be called the Hellfart....its a POS on wheels.....seriously its a heavy tank of a truggy that could'nt compete with the likes of a Jammin Losi Mugen Kyosho if HPI's company future depended on it....Plain and simple its Junk stay as far away as possibly from it.......and YES to all the Hellfart Fanboyz i speak from Personal Experience.
X2 what UG0TB4NN3D said...the Hellfire should be called the Hellfart....its a POS on wheels.....seriously its a heavy tank of a truggy that could'nt compete with the likes of a Jammin Losi Mugen Kyosho if HPI's company future depended on it....Plain and simple its Junk stay as far away as possibly from it.......and YES to all the Hellfart Fanboyz i speak from Personal Experience.
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RE: RTR Hellfire or RTR X1 CRT
Ive had alot of issues with my hellfire, especially the diffs. I did swap the k4.6 with the os 28. The k4.6 was good to bash but the os is a superstar compared to the k4.6.
If you plan to bash the hellfire is ok but for the price alot of other truggys are way better.I know you didnt ask but the ss isnt too bad for racing with the right setup.
If you plan to bash the hellfire is ok but for the price alot of other truggys are way better.I know you didnt ask but the ss isnt too bad for racing with the right setup.
02-17-2008, 12:12 AM
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RE: RTR Hellfire or RTR X1 CRT
hum..The Hellfire is lighter than the CRT..The CRT is just about the heaviest truggy on the market and add to the fact that it's one of the few that still uses the Ferris wheel sized spur gear..you might want to wait for the new one coming out..But The CRT is a better Truggy than the Hellfire..The Hellfire SS is better than the RTR Hellfire..You will spend cubic dollars trying to make the Hellfire reliable. You can make the Hellfire's reasonably fast..I won a few Club races with mine, always finished, You just need to know how to tune one..But It's very frustrating when drivers with way less skills can keep up..and your driving your butt off..I finally just gave up..I'm now running a few different Truggys..A Kyosho ST-RR, Mugen MBX5t prospec, Caster K8T..heavily modded..And I just got rid of 2 Jammin CRT Pro's, one of them was a BCE small spur gear conversion. The first few batches of RTR Hellfire's were not to good (quite the understatement) but the SS is not that bad..
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hum..The Hellfire is lighter than the CRT..The CRT is just about the heaviest truggy on the market and add to the fact that it's one of the few that still uses the Ferris wheel sized spur gear..you might want to wait for the new one coming out..But The CRT is a better Truggy than the Hellfire..The Hellfire SS is better than the RTR Hellfire..You will spend cubic dollars trying to make the Hellfire reliable. You can make the Hellfire's reasonably fast..I won a few Club races with mine, always finished, You just need to know how to tune one..But It's very frustrating when drivers with way less skills can keep up..and your driving your butt off..I finally just gave up..I'm now running a few different Truggys..A Kyosho ST-RR, Mugen MBX5t prospec, Caster K8T..heavily modded..And I just got rid of 2 Jammin CRT Pro's, one of them was a BCE small spur gear conversion. The first few batches of RTR Hellfire's were not to good (quite the understatement) but the SS is not that bad..
hum..The Hellfire is lighter than the CRT..The CRT is just about the heaviest truggy on the market and add to the fact that it's one of the few that still uses the Ferris wheel sized spur gear..you might want to wait for the new one coming out..But The CRT is a better Truggy than the Hellfire..The Hellfire SS is better than the RTR Hellfire..You will spend cubic dollars trying to make the Hellfire reliable. You can make the Hellfire's reasonably fast..I won a few Club races with mine, always finished, You just need to know how to tune one..But It's very frustrating when drivers with way less skills can keep up..and your driving your butt off..I finally just gave up..I'm now running a few different Truggys..A Kyosho ST-RR, Mugen MBX5t prospec, Caster K8T..heavily modded..And I just got rid of 2 Jammin CRT Pro's, one of them was a BCE small spur gear conversion. The first few batches of RTR Hellfire's were not to good (quite the understatement) but the SS is not that bad..
couple truggy's still run big spur's....Cen TR, Hyper ST....and imo the SS isnt much better then the regular rtr...the knuckls and hubs are Junk...buddy dropped like 200+ into aftermarket alluminum for his hellfire to only make it Significantly Heavier then Anything else out there and perform like crap...the bulk's/diffs are Junk dispite being easy access...they still strip like butter if u dont shim them every couple outings which is rediculous.....and i find it hard to beleive the Pro CRT is heavier then the Hellfire....how can u prove that ?
02-17-2008, 02:01 AM
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RE: RTR Hellfire or RTR X1 CRT
You shouldn't have to make it lighter. It's a great truggy. Just look it up, a lot of people love it, and if you want, just wait for the X2 CRT. It should be a big improvement over the X1, but nothing a BCE chassis and small gear conversion couldn't fix.
02-18-2008, 02:17 AM
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RE: RTR Hellfire or RTR X1 CRT
So would it look like a Hellfire if I just put the Hellfire body on it?
Also, does the stock engine in the CRT RTR have enough low grunt to get up and going quickly?
I was thinking about getting an O.S. 28 for low end grunt but I want to keep speed and the lightness.
Also, does the stock engine in the CRT RTR have enough low grunt to get up and going quickly?
I was thinking about getting an O.S. 28 for low end grunt but I want to keep speed and the lightness.
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RE: RTR Hellfire or RTR X1 CRT
ive mainly bashed my os28, lots grunt, great mid, good top. Starts easily with my TTbox as has solid pinch but not crazy pinch, easy tune, holds tune, tough on clutch bearings. Ive havent had any engine bearing issues.Iam not into cleaning it much either, just some aro (i use transmission fluid) every week. Done bout 2 gal.
And dont get the hellfire, thats wat i have.
And dont get the hellfire, thats wat i have.
02-18-2008, 09:25 AM
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And dont get the hellfire, thats wat i have.
And dont get the hellfire, thats wat i have.
RIGHT FROM A HELLFART owner...that should tell u something right there.
02-18-2008, 04:22 PM
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Ok..Here's the deal on the "why the smaller spur gear is better"..The smaller spur gear allows the radio tray and engine to mount closer to the chassis center line, additionally both the front and rear diffs are re-geared (in the case of the BCE CRT small gear conversion a Hot Bodies ring and pinion gear are used..43/10) to compensate for the smaller spur gear. The result is a smoother, more efficient drive-train that requires less torque to spin and better acceleration. This mod when done to a CRT completely changes the truggy, the way it handles, the way it turns in..If you own a CRT you should do the BCE conversion, not only does it move everything to the center and lowers it the conversion takes over a pound of weight off the CRT as well. All the "New" V2 Jammin is..is a BCE style truggy. Big spur = old technology..update or get run over..
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hum..The Hellfire is lighter than the CRT..The CRT is just about the heaviest truggy on the market and add to the fact that it's one of the few that still uses the Ferris wheel sized spur gear..you might want to wait for the new one coming out..But The CRT is a better Truggy than the Hellfire..The Hellfire SS is better than the RTR Hellfire..You will spend cubic dollars trying to make the Hellfire reliable. You can make the Hellfire's reasonably fast..I won a few Club races with mine, always finished, You just need to know how to tune one..But It's very frustrating when drivers with way less skills can keep up..and your driving your butt off..I finally just gave up..I'm now running a few different Truggys..A Kyosho ST-RR, Mugen MBX5t prospec, Caster K8T..heavily modded..And I just got rid of 2 Jammin CRT Pro's, one of them was a BCE small spur gear conversion. The first few batches of RTR Hellfire's were not to good (quite the understatement) but the SS is not that bad..
hum..The Hellfire is lighter than the CRT..The CRT is just about the heaviest truggy on the market and add to the fact that it's one of the few that still uses the Ferris wheel sized spur gear..you might want to wait for the new one coming out..But The CRT is a better Truggy than the Hellfire..The Hellfire SS is better than the RTR Hellfire..You will spend cubic dollars trying to make the Hellfire reliable. You can make the Hellfire's reasonably fast..I won a few Club races with mine, always finished, You just need to know how to tune one..But It's very frustrating when drivers with way less skills can keep up..and your driving your butt off..I finally just gave up..I'm now running a few different Truggys..A Kyosho ST-RR, Mugen MBX5t prospec, Caster K8T..heavily modded..And I just got rid of 2 Jammin CRT Pro's, one of them was a BCE small spur gear conversion. The first few batches of RTR Hellfire's were not to good (quite the understatement) but the SS is not that bad..
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Ok..Here's the deal on the "why the smaller spur gear is better"..The smaller spur gear allows the radio tray and engine to mount closer to the chassis center line, additionally both the front and rear diffs are re-geared (in the case of the BCE CRT small gear conversion a Hot Bodies ring and pinion gear are used..43/10) to compensate for the smaller spur gear. The result is a smoother, more efficient drive-train that requires less torque to spin and better acceleration. This mod when done to a CRT completely changes the truggy, the way it handles, the way it turns in..If you own a CRT you should do the BCE conversion, not only does it move everything to the center and lowers it the conversion takes over a pound of weight off the CRT as well. All the "New" V2 Jammin is..is a BCE style truggy. Big spur = old technology..update or get run over..
Ok..Here's the deal on the "why the smaller spur gear is better"..The smaller spur gear allows the radio tray and engine to mount closer to the chassis center line, additionally both the front and rear diffs are re-geared (in the case of the BCE CRT small gear conversion a Hot Bodies ring and pinion gear are used..43/10) to compensate for the smaller spur gear. The result is a smoother, more efficient drive-train that requires less torque to spin and better acceleration. This mod when done to a CRT completely changes the truggy, the way it handles, the way it turns in..If you own a CRT you should do the BCE conversion, not only does it move everything to the center and lowers it the conversion takes over a pound of weight off the CRT as well. All the "New" V2 Jammin is..is a BCE style truggy. Big spur = old technology..update or get run over..
a pound off from a chassy upgrade............sure.....
what did they make the BCE outta tin sheet metal....the X2 will be more then the "claimed to fame" BCE conversion Guarenteed....IMO bill's a GOOFball. (and i have reasons to think that)
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a pound off from a chassy upgrade............sure..... what did they make the BCE outta tin sheet metal....the X2 will be more then the "claimed to fame" BCE conversion Guarenteed....IMO bill's a GOOFball. (and i have reasons to think that)
ORIGINAL: Oasis TR
Ok..Here's the deal on the "why the smaller spur gear is better"..The smaller spur gear allows the radio tray and engine to mount closer to the chassis center line, additionally both the front and rear diffs are re-geared (in the case of the BCE CRT small gear conversion a Hot Bodies ring and pinion gear are used..43/10) to compensate for the smaller spur gear. The result is a smoother, more efficient drive-train that requires less torque to spin and better acceleration. This mod when done to a CRT completely changes the truggy, the way it handles, the way it turns in..If you own a CRT you should do the BCE conversion, not only does it move everything to the center and lowers it the conversion takes over a pound of weight off the CRT as well. All the "New" V2 Jammin is..is a BCE style truggy. Big spur = old technology..update or get run over..
Ok..Here's the deal on the "why the smaller spur gear is better"..The smaller spur gear allows the radio tray and engine to mount closer to the chassis center line, additionally both the front and rear diffs are re-geared (in the case of the BCE CRT small gear conversion a Hot Bodies ring and pinion gear are used..43/10) to compensate for the smaller spur gear. The result is a smoother, more efficient drive-train that requires less torque to spin and better acceleration. This mod when done to a CRT completely changes the truggy, the way it handles, the way it turns in..If you own a CRT you should do the BCE conversion, not only does it move everything to the center and lowers it the conversion takes over a pound of weight off the CRT as well. All the "New" V2 Jammin is..is a BCE style truggy. Big spur = old technology..update or get run over..
a pound off from a chassy upgrade............sure.....
what did they make the BCE outta tin sheet metal....the X2 will be more then the "claimed to fame" BCE conversion Guarenteed....IMO bill's a GOOFball. (and i have reasons to think that)
