Byron/Century Jet retract Drop in replacement
05-18-2013, 09:29 AM
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Byron/Century Jet retract Drop in replacement
Hello fellow Warbird Pilots,
I recently inherited a 30 year old semi-constructed Bud Nosen Mustang complete with Byro Drive and Byron/IronBay pneumatic retracts. I am opting to retrofit some of the old school stuff for the latest and greatest goodies of the day.
Many options are available in motors since the days of the screaming Rossi 60 turning its guts out to drive a 24" 4 blade prop.
There is also new electric retracts comming into vogue.
I am currently looking at Century Jet for a drop in electric replacement retract for the Byrons. I would also really like to be able to turn a big Solo 4 blade prop. To be of a scale size the prop would have to be of the 30" variety but I think there will have to be some allowances made to accomodate the proper power to weight motor. I am leaning towards the ZDZ 90 and maybe a 24ish Solo prop tuned to the proper pitch.
I would like to hear your thoughts on resurecting this old "War Horse".
Thanks much,
Rick
I recently inherited a 30 year old semi-constructed Bud Nosen Mustang complete with Byro Drive and Byron/IronBay pneumatic retracts. I am opting to retrofit some of the old school stuff for the latest and greatest goodies of the day.
Many options are available in motors since the days of the screaming Rossi 60 turning its guts out to drive a 24" 4 blade prop.
There is also new electric retracts comming into vogue.
I am currently looking at Century Jet for a drop in electric replacement retract for the Byrons. I would also really like to be able to turn a big Solo 4 blade prop. To be of a scale size the prop would have to be of the 30" variety but I think there will have to be some allowances made to accomodate the proper power to weight motor. I am leaning towards the ZDZ 90 and maybe a 24ish Solo prop tuned to the proper pitch.
I would like to hear your thoughts on resurecting this old "War Horse".
Thanks much,
Rick
05-18-2013, 04:57 PM
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Sierra gear with a Down & Locked conversion to electric. Expensive, but worth it.
A dream engine would be the scale Merlin being built by Authentic Scale Engines. It is a real V12, liquid cooled, scale exhaust, and supercharged!!!!!! It uses a little stock off-the-shelf motorcycle radiator!!!
A dream engine would be the scale Merlin being built by Authentic Scale Engines. It is a real V12, liquid cooled, scale exhaust, and supercharged!!!!!! It uses a little stock off-the-shelf motorcycle radiator!!!
05-19-2013, 02:54 AM
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RE: Byron/Century Jet retract Drop in replacement
I'll take the Merlin! Maybe 4 of them in a Lanc would be cool!
Check out the Klassen Widowmaker. 4 Cyl and Ducted fan cooling with scale 12 port exhaust! WOW!!! $5000!
Still working with Century Jet. How much for converted Sierras?
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Check out the Klassen Widowmaker. 4 Cyl and Ducted fan cooling with scale 12 port exhaust! WOW!!! $5000!
Still working with Century Jet. How much for converted Sierras?
RC
05-19-2013, 06:26 PM
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I'll take the Merlin! Maybe 4 of them in a Lanc would be cool!
Check out the Klassen Widowmaker. 4 Cyl and Ducted fan cooling with scale 12 port exhaust! WOW!!! $5000!
Still working with Century Jet. How much for converted Sierras?
RC
I'll take the Merlin! Maybe 4 of them in a Lanc would be cool!
Check out the Klassen Widowmaker. 4 Cyl and Ducted fan cooling with scale 12 port exhaust! WOW!!! $5000!
Still working with Century Jet. How much for converted Sierras?
RC
I consider quality reliable gear as damage control for an expensive scale bird.
05-19-2013, 06:53 PM
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RE: Byron/Century Jet retract Drop in replacement
Rick -
Go for it!
You will like the airframe - good flyer. Make sure the tail is sturdy enough to handle high flight loads with a modern engine.
The original Nosen design has very light elevators. Be careful - I know from experience.
I have Sierra gear in my latest one, and they work great. You will have to design in your own retract rails.
Current one from our updated plans, and one of my old ones from the past.
Go for it!
You will like the airframe - good flyer. Make sure the tail is sturdy enough to handle high flight loads with a modern engine.
The original Nosen design has very light elevators. Be careful - I know from experience.
I have Sierra gear in my latest one, and they work great. You will have to design in your own retract rails.
Current one from our updated plans, and one of my old ones from the past.
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RE: Byron/Century Jet retract Drop in replacement
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Hello fellow Warbird Pilots,
I recently inherited a 30 year old semi-constructed Bud Nosen Mustang complete with Byro Drive and Byron/IronBay pneumatic retracts. I am opting to retrofit some of the old school stuff for the latest and greatest goodies of the day.
Many options are available in motors since the days of the screaming Rossi 60 turning its guts out to drive a 24'' 4 blade prop.
There is also new electric retracts comming into vogue.
I am currently looking at Century Jet for a drop in electric replacement retract for the Byrons. I would also really like to be able to turn a big Solo 4 blade prop. To be of a scale size the prop would have to be of the 30'' variety but I think there will have to be some allowances made to accomodate the proper power to weight motor. I am leaning towards the ZDZ 90 and maybe a 24ish Solo prop tuned to the proper pitch.
I would like to hear your thoughts on resurecting this old ''War Horse''.
Thanks much,
Rick
Hello fellow Warbird Pilots,
I recently inherited a 30 year old semi-constructed Bud Nosen Mustang complete with Byro Drive and Byron/IronBay pneumatic retracts. I am opting to retrofit some of the old school stuff for the latest and greatest goodies of the day.
Many options are available in motors since the days of the screaming Rossi 60 turning its guts out to drive a 24'' 4 blade prop.
There is also new electric retracts comming into vogue.
I am currently looking at Century Jet for a drop in electric replacement retract for the Byrons. I would also really like to be able to turn a big Solo 4 blade prop. To be of a scale size the prop would have to be of the 30'' variety but I think there will have to be some allowances made to accomodate the proper power to weight motor. I am leaning towards the ZDZ 90 and maybe a 24ish Solo prop tuned to the proper pitch.
I would like to hear your thoughts on resurecting this old ''War Horse''.
Thanks much,
Rick
05-21-2013, 04:27 AM
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Thanks for all the input... This is my first really big one and all of your experience and advice will be considered."A smart man learns from someone elses mistakes"
The Mustang came with Byron pneumatics I really want to go with the new electric stuff. I did talk to Mitch at Toledo and he wasn't real thrilled with all the plastic in the Byrons,
so I did some shopping a few isles over. Bruce Sanders with Century Jet took one look at the old Byrons and fell in love, well he liked them alot as they are unused and antiques.
He is looking to replicate them in metal and then elecrfify them.
I am hoping for a "drop in fit".
I'll keep you posted
Hows about motors..
I looked at the new DA 100 twin, ZDZ90 and the new DLE 85. I would really like to be able to turn a 4 blade Solo prop.It would also be pretty cool with a functioning Keleo exhaust.
As I said, your experiences and advice are really apreciated.
Thanks much,
RC
The Mustang came with Byron pneumatics I really want to go with the new electric stuff. I did talk to Mitch at Toledo and he wasn't real thrilled with all the plastic in the Byrons,
so I did some shopping a few isles over. Bruce Sanders with Century Jet took one look at the old Byrons and fell in love, well he liked them alot as they are unused and antiques.
He is looking to replicate them in metal and then elecrfify them.
I am hoping for a "drop in fit".
I'll keep you posted
Hows about motors..
I looked at the new DA 100 twin, ZDZ90 and the new DLE 85. I would really like to be able to turn a 4 blade Solo prop.It would also be pretty cool with a functioning Keleo exhaust.
As I said, your experiences and advice are really apreciated.
Thanks much,
RC
05-21-2013, 08:04 AM
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The solo props really only look good. Performace is crap from them IMO, and unless you put huge amount of excess power in the plane, i doubt youd be happy.
A dle/da opposed twin wont fit in the nose either.
If it was me, id go with a kohlm il135 4stroke twin inline. Its around $3k right now and you can get it from vogelsang aeroscale. Get the one with the 270* timing and it'll sound better than anything else at the flying field!
A dle/da opposed twin wont fit in the nose either.
If it was me, id go with a kohlm il135 4stroke twin inline. Its around $3k right now and you can get it from vogelsang aeroscale. Get the one with the 270* timing and it'll sound better than anything else at the flying field!
