Fw190A8 data
12-18-2002, 09:09 PM
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Fw190A8 data
To all experten out there:
I started to plan the finish paint for a Holman Fw190. The paint scheme has been decided for a A8 blue 4 assigned to JG 5 that wore a badge on the nose (see link) http://mywebpage.netscape.com/warbir...nt_project.htm
Was this also on the starboard side?
Happy Holidays!
JG
I started to plan the finish paint for a Holman Fw190. The paint scheme has been decided for a A8 blue 4 assigned to JG 5 that wore a badge on the nose (see link) http://mywebpage.netscape.com/warbir...nt_project.htm
Was this also on the starboard side?
Happy Holidays!
JG
12-19-2002, 12:48 AM
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Eismeerjager
Jose,
In the Eric Mombeek Eismeerjager JG5 book, it shows many photos of the 190 Jabo (fighter-bomber) with the bow and bomb badge on each side. There are also many pics of Bf 110's with the weiner-dog badge (with a Soviet fighter in it's mouth) on both sides of the fuselage. So, I would guess that the Eismeer badge is on each side of the engine cowling.
Here is a link to the Luftwaffe in Norway web site. I'm sure they could give you the definitive answer.
http://www.luftwaffe.no/
The JG5 aircraft have great looking color schemes! My favorite is "blue 8" from 12/JG5
SC
In the Eric Mombeek Eismeerjager JG5 book, it shows many photos of the 190 Jabo (fighter-bomber) with the bow and bomb badge on each side. There are also many pics of Bf 110's with the weiner-dog badge (with a Soviet fighter in it's mouth) on both sides of the fuselage. So, I would guess that the Eismeer badge is on each side of the engine cowling.
Here is a link to the Luftwaffe in Norway web site. I'm sure they could give you the definitive answer.
http://www.luftwaffe.no/
The JG5 aircraft have great looking color schemes! My favorite is "blue 8" from 12/JG5
SC
12-19-2002, 01:03 AM
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port side only
Jose,
I went to the Luftwaffe in Norway web site and there is some info on the Eismeer badge. It was used very late in the war, starting sometime between January and March 1945. The badge is used only on the port side.
Good luck with the project, I'd love to see pics when it's finished! (building pics would be good too)
SC
I went to the Luftwaffe in Norway web site and there is some info on the Eismeer badge. It was used very late in the war, starting sometime between January and March 1945. The badge is used only on the port side.
Good luck with the project, I'd love to see pics when it's finished! (building pics would be good too)
SC
12-19-2002, 03:22 AM
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Steve, thanks for the info. You know your stuff as usual....
Blue 8 looks awesome also and is very tempting to do. These are not common paint schemes you see at the field.
I'll see if I can take a couple of shots of the construction even though being a foam wing and glass fuse there is not a lot of drama.
At the moment I'm waitng for Shindin's retract frames, he's redoing them with the scale forward rake which really helps mounting the gear doors flat. Other than that is the same the others. Do you have a couple of 5.25 smooth contour wheels??
Also I'd like to know if you are going to make the decals available for the larger 190 as well.
Regards,
JG
Blue 8 looks awesome also and is very tempting to do. These are not common paint schemes you see at the field.
I'll see if I can take a couple of shots of the construction even though being a foam wing and glass fuse there is not a lot of drama.
At the moment I'm waitng for Shindin's retract frames, he's redoing them with the scale forward rake which really helps mounting the gear doors flat. Other than that is the same the others. Do you have a couple of 5.25 smooth contour wheels??
Also I'd like to know if you are going to make the decals available for the larger 190 as well.
Regards,
JG
12-19-2002, 03:40 AM
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retracts, wheels, and decals
Jose,
The forward rake built into the retract will be VERY beneficial to you when you mount the gear in the wing! I'd love to see how that works out for you.
I have a set of the Williams Bros. 5.25" wheels for my NWHT 190A (when it gets here, still waiting).
I will do stencil and drop tank decals for the 1/5th scale 190 when I get to that point with my own project, maybe earlier if I have an extra day with nothing else to do.(?)
An interesting thing about the pic you attached to you last post is that it has half of the wing bottom in natural metal. Not an uncommon thing with the very late war 190's (A and D). I have a Pica 190D-9 in primer, that I will get a half natural metal wing bottom after I finish the rivets. But, it isn't a priority, so it'll languish hanging from the shop ceiling for who knows how long.
I think the JG5 color scheme will go over really well in any scale! Should be a real looker!
SC
The forward rake built into the retract will be VERY beneficial to you when you mount the gear in the wing! I'd love to see how that works out for you.
I have a set of the Williams Bros. 5.25" wheels for my NWHT 190A (when it gets here, still waiting).
I will do stencil and drop tank decals for the 1/5th scale 190 when I get to that point with my own project, maybe earlier if I have an extra day with nothing else to do.(?)
An interesting thing about the pic you attached to you last post is that it has half of the wing bottom in natural metal. Not an uncommon thing with the very late war 190's (A and D). I have a Pica 190D-9 in primer, that I will get a half natural metal wing bottom after I finish the rivets. But, it isn't a priority, so it'll languish hanging from the shop ceiling for who knows how long.
I think the JG5 color scheme will go over really well in any scale! Should be a real looker!
SC
12-19-2002, 11:17 AM
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Hi Vic,
The JG2 190A with the big eagle on the side is an interesting scheme. It's interesting how Luftwaffe paint schemes changed, in general, from 1939 to 1945. You probably know this, but the eagle evolved from painting the area behind the exhaust outlets black to hide the exhaust staining.
I also really like the JG1 shemes with the striped cowls! I was planning to do "yellow 6" from 3/JG1, but now that Jose is doing one of the JG5 aircraft, I may have to change my mind and do one of those instead.
I'm sitting hear thinking, maybe I should have gone the Holman 190A route instead of the NWHT kit. I've gone to Bob Holman's web site, but I can't find anything on the 80" 190. Where do you guys go to get info on that kit?
Attached, 3/JG1 pic.
SC
The JG2 190A with the big eagle on the side is an interesting scheme. It's interesting how Luftwaffe paint schemes changed, in general, from 1939 to 1945. You probably know this, but the eagle evolved from painting the area behind the exhaust outlets black to hide the exhaust staining.
I also really like the JG1 shemes with the striped cowls! I was planning to do "yellow 6" from 3/JG1, but now that Jose is doing one of the JG5 aircraft, I may have to change my mind and do one of those instead.
I'm sitting hear thinking, maybe I should have gone the Holman 190A route instead of the NWHT kit. I've gone to Bob Holman's web site, but I can't find anything on the 80" 190. Where do you guys go to get info on that kit?
Attached, 3/JG1 pic.
SC
12-19-2002, 02:25 PM
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Blue 8 colors
Anyone know the numbers of the greys on Blue 8. Are they the standard 74/75/76 or something else? I am slowly building a Taylor Fw and this is a great looking scheme. Thanks
12-19-2002, 02:36 PM
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blue 8 colors
Vought F4U,
The colors are: RLM 76 light blue, RLM 75 violet gray, RLM 83 dark green, and RLM 78 blue. The wing top gets the typical pattern using 75 and 83.
I agree it is a great looking color scheme.
Nickrc3, No problem on the decals, I'll have them listed on my web site when they are available. Have the NWHT kits by Easter, we can only hope?
SC
The colors are: RLM 76 light blue, RLM 75 violet gray, RLM 83 dark green, and RLM 78 blue. The wing top gets the typical pattern using 75 and 83.
I agree it is a great looking color scheme.
Nickrc3, No problem on the decals, I'll have them listed on my web site when they are available. Have the NWHT kits by Easter, we can only hope?
SC
12-30-2002, 11:57 AM
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lookin good
Jose,
The FW's looking good. How much clearance is there between the the Moki 2.1's head and the cowling? Did you add the carbon fiber/ kevlar to the verticle fin in the antenna mast area or does the fuse come like that?
Does Scott sell a whole kit, or just the fuse?
SC
The FW's looking good. How much clearance is there between the the Moki 2.1's head and the cowling? Did you add the carbon fiber/ kevlar to the verticle fin in the antenna mast area or does the fuse come like that?
Does Scott sell a whole kit, or just the fuse?
SC
12-30-2002, 02:52 PM
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Steve: the Carbon Fibr reinforcement comes already with Scott's fuse.
Also you get canopy turttle neck, gun blisters (wing & fuse) gear doors, wing pan and cowl. And wing cores. The quality of the glass is excelent as well, very litlle pin holes.
I'm expecting Shindin's main and tail wheel any time now and with that, the wing will be finished soon. Shindin's gear is now incorporating the forward rake which alow the wheels to lay flat when retracted. Very nice feature!
The clearance of the 2.1 is minimal about a 1/4" but enough.
This brute engine will make a monster out of this bird! The last one I built had the BGX and it would scream! It would chew up any P38, P47 or P51 gasser that got in it's way!
Too bad I won't be able to keep it for my self...
JG
Also you get canopy turttle neck, gun blisters (wing & fuse) gear doors, wing pan and cowl. And wing cores. The quality of the glass is excelent as well, very litlle pin holes.
I'm expecting Shindin's main and tail wheel any time now and with that, the wing will be finished soon. Shindin's gear is now incorporating the forward rake which alow the wheels to lay flat when retracted. Very nice feature!
The clearance of the 2.1 is minimal about a 1/4" but enough.
This brute engine will make a monster out of this bird! The last one I built had the BGX and it would scream! It would chew up any P38, P47 or P51 gasser that got in it's way!
Too bad I won't be able to keep it for my self...
JG
12-30-2002, 05:48 PM
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Jose, you were smart not to mention any P-40 Warhawks...... Mine now has all the "bugs" completely worked out, and I am back on patrol. Ed "Red" has got his Wingman back, finally......all Axis aircraft be forewarned..... ::evil grin::
Ray
ps and when the new owner flys your old plane.....I will take the opportunity to dispatch it in quick fashion as well.................Miss flying with ya!
12-31-2002, 12:48 AM
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Ray: The reason I didn't mention is because I didn't wanto hurt your feelings 
but as you know 38's 47's & 51's were the ones that replaced the 40's I was looking forward to go visit you baisin bois in January but work might not allow me to go probably.
Happy 2003 Ray!
JG
12-31-2002, 03:53 AM
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Fw190A8 data
JGrc
Your pics look great. Is the kit a Bob Holman or a new kit on the market? Wife gave me plans for Platts FW 190 for X-mas, started cutting the ply formers tonight. I'm going to build up the elev. and ail. instead of solid balsa. Planning on using shinden gear. Will try to build as lite as possible.
Mine will be an A-8 model but haven't decided on paint scheme, wanting a late colorful aircraft but havn't found one yet.
Keep the photos coming on your progress.
Rex
Your pics look great. Is the kit a Bob Holman or a new kit on the market? Wife gave me plans for Platts FW 190 for X-mas, started cutting the ply formers tonight. I'm going to build up the elev. and ail. instead of solid balsa. Planning on using shinden gear. Will try to build as lite as possible.
Mine will be an A-8 model but haven't decided on paint scheme, wanting a late colorful aircraft but havn't found one yet.
Keep the photos coming on your progress.
Rex
12-31-2002, 04:09 AM
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Fw190
Rex, T this is the Holman kit. The tail surfaces need to be built LIGHT. The elevators and rudder should be open frame with fabric covered. It's scale and saves weight. Remember that every 2 o 3 ounces in the back become a pound in the nose.
Platt's is very scale kit and should be a great flier, or you can save the work and buy mine. .. This will be built as a late A8 (BLUE 4)
Have fun
JG
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/warbir...nt_project.htm
Platt's is very scale kit and should be a great flier, or you can save the work and buy mine.
.. This will be built as a late A8 (BLUE 4)Have fun
JG
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/warbir...nt_project.htm
12-31-2002, 11:14 PM
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JGrc,thanks for the info and offer to buy your model but I enjoy working with balsa and ply and building my own kits.
Do you know if the Holman canopy is the same size as platts?
Talk later,Rex
Do you know if the Holman canopy is the same size as platts?
Talk later,Rex
01-09-2003, 01:20 AM
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JGrc
Planning on using shindens gear also. I finished making all my templates tonight . Platts plans are really nice but i'm going to have to order 3-views from Bob Holman to layout the guns ,hatches ect. Platt does not show these.
I am looking for a colorful pic of jg300 Rammjagger, red cowl and tail. Do you know where I can locate any?
Rex
Planning on using shindens gear also. I finished making all my templates tonight . Platts plans are really nice but i'm going to have to order 3-views from Bob Holman to layout the guns ,hatches ect. Platt does not show these.
I am looking for a colorful pic of jg300 Rammjagger, red cowl and tail. Do you know where I can locate any?
Rex
01-09-2003, 01:24 AM
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Fw190A8 data
Rex,
The canopy on Dave Platt's kit is molded with the turtle-deck, one piece, the Holman kit has the turtle-deck made out of fiber glass, the size is very close, within an 1/8 to a 1/16" discrepancy, I have both kits if you have any questions, let me know!! Jose good job, I'm also building the Holman kit, but decided to use the foam wings!!??,Hope it works! I'm using Vic's way of installing the spar and landing gear.
loucel
The canopy on Dave Platt's kit is molded with the turtle-deck, one piece, the Holman kit has the turtle-deck made out of fiber glass, the size is very close, within an 1/8 to a 1/16" discrepancy, I have both kits if you have any questions, let me know!! Jose good job, I'm also building the Holman kit, but decided to use the foam wings!!??,Hope it works! I'm using Vic's way of installing the spar and landing gear.
loucel
