zippome

Ok guys, here goes...
This fighter aircraft was developed from, and showed a strong resemblance to one of the best fighters of its previous generation. This one however proved to be itself mediocre. It was then developed and used as a basis for another aircraft that was again considered to be one of the best of it's time.
It was first ordered in 1944 and was allready being phased out of service by 1949.
Thanks
Zip

zippome

This fighter aircraft was developed from, and showed a strong resemblance to one of the best fighters of its previous generation. This one however proved to be itself mediocre. It was then developed and used as a basis for another aircraft that was again considered to be one of the best of it's time.
It was first ordered in 1944 and was allready being phased out of service by 1949.
The Canopy, the wing and the tail were very similar to the succesful fighter that proceeded it.
That wing again was very similar to yet another design that was used from 1959 to 2008. (a different aircraft than the previously mentioned succesful development)
Of these 2 design developments 1 line was a fighter aircraft. 1 was a trainer aircraft.

Zip

JohnnyS

FJ-1 Fury?

zippome

Thats what I was looking for,JohnnyS! Your turn!
thanks!
Zip

zippome

Sorry this line of questions were kind of disjointed guys. I kinda did this one on the fly (so to speak).

This fighter aircraft was developed from, and showed a strong resemblance to one of the best fighters of its previous generation. This one however proved to be itself mediocre. It was then developed and used as a basis for another aircraft that was again considered to be one of the best of it's time.
It was first ordered in 1944 and was allready being phased out of service by 1949.
The Canopy, the wing and the tail were very similar to the succesful fighter that proceeded it.
That wing again was very similar to yet another design that was used from 1959 to 2008. (a different aircraft than the previously mentioned succesful development)
Of these 2 design developments 1 line was a fighter aircraft. 1 was a trainer aircraft.

Ordered in late 1944 as the XFJ-1 in competition with proposals from Douglas and Vought, the Fury began as a straight-wing, tricycle gear fighter with a single turbojet passing through the fuselage. The wing, empennage and canopy strongly resembled that of the piston-engined P-51 Mustang, North American Aviation's highly successful World War II fighter.


The first flight of the prototype XFJ-1 took place on 11 September 1946, with the first of 30 deliveries beginning in October 1947. Flown by Navy squadron VF-5A, the FJ-1 made the USN's first operational aircraft carrier landing with a jet fighter at sea<sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference">[N 1]</sup> on 10 March 1948 aboard USS Boxer, pioneering jet-powered carrier operations and underscoring the need for catapult-equipped carriers. The Fury was capable of launching without catapult assistance, but on a crowded flight deck the capability was of small practicality. In reality, taking off without a catapult launch, pitched the FJ-1 into a perilous, slow climb that was considered too risky for normal operations.<sup id="cite_ref-aviastar_2-0" class="reference">[2]</sup>

As straight wings were seen at the time as the only way to ensure the low speed and stability needed for carrier landings, the FJ-1 used a straight wing. No provision for wing-folding had been made as dive brakes mounted in the wings made that option unfeasible. In order to conserve carrier deck space, a unique "kneeling" nose undercarriage along with a swivelling "jockey wheel" allowed the FJ-1 to be stacked tail-high, close to another FJ-1.<sup id="cite_ref-FJ_Fury_3-0" class="reference">[3]</sup>

Although ordered into production, the initial order for 100 units was trimmed to only 30 aircraft which were mainly used in testing at NAS North Island, California. VF-5A, soon redesignated as VF-51, operated the type in service beginning in August 1948. Although VF-51 went to sea on Boxer by May 1949, the FJ-1s were phased out in favor of the new F9F-2 Panther.<sup id="cite_ref-4" class="reference">[4]</sup>

Ending its service career in U.S. Naval Reserve units, the FJ-1 eventually was retired in 1953. The one highlight in its short service life was VF-51's win in the Bendix Trophy Race for jets in September 1948. The unit entered seven FJ-1s, flying from Long Beach, California to Cleveland, Ohio, with VF-51 aircraft taking the first four places, ahead of two California Air National Guard Lockheed F-80 Shooting Stars.<sup id="cite_ref-FJ-1_0-1" class="reference">[1]
As for the trainer..
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The first version of the aircraft entered service in 1959 as the T2J-1. It was re-designated the T-2A in 1962 under the joint aircraft designation system. The two-seat trainer was powered by one Westinghouse J34-WE-46/48 turbojet. The aircraft was subsequently redesigned, and the single engine was replaced with two Pratt & Whitney J60-P-6 turbojets in the T-2B. The T-2C was fitted with two much more powerful 2,950 lbf (13,100 N) thrust General Electric J85-GE-4 turbojets. The T-2D was an export version which was sold to the Venezuelan air force, while the T-2E was sold to the Greek Air Force. The T-2 Buckeye (along with the TF-9J) replaced the T2V-1/T-1A Seastar, though the T-1 would continue in some uses into the 1970s.

The Buckeye was designed as a low-cost multi-stage trainer. Its straight wing is similar to that used in the original North American FJ-1 Fury. Its cockpit controls are similar to the T-28C trainer. The T-2's performance is between that of the Air Force's T-37 Tweet, and the TA-4J Skyhawk. While it has no built-in armament, the T-2 has two underwing hardpoints for .50 in gun pods, 100 lb (45 kg) practice bombs or 2.75 in rockets.

All T-2 Buckeyes were manufactured by North American at Air Force Plant 85, located just south of Port Columbus Airport in Columbus, Ohio. 273 aircraft were built during its production run. The name Buckeye refers to the state tree of Ohio, as well as the mascot of the Ohio State University

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zippome

OOps, forgot something.... You can guess which fighter it was developed into.....

JohnnyS

New aircraft:

1. Based on a previous successful line of piston engined fighters.

2. Although it had a single jet engine, it had dual tailpipes.

3. It had a tricycle undercarriage.

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Harrier

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JohnnyS

Nice try, but not right.

1. Based on a previous successful line of piston engined fighters.

2. Although it had a single jet engine, it had dual tailpipes.

3. It had a tricycle undercarriage.

4. It had a straight wing.

5. It was operated by the military in the U.K., the Netherlands, India and Germany.

DeferredDefect

Ernie P.

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That was my first thought, but I couldn't make the using countries and dual tailpipes work. Then I thought about the Tucano; but same problem as far as using countries. Thanks; Ernie P.


The Short Tucano T1 (S.312) is a two-seat turboprop basic trainer used by the Royal Air Force. It is a licence-built version of the Brazilian Embraer EMB-312 Tucano, and is also used by the air forces of Kenya and Kuwait.
The Short Tucano was developed by the Northern Irish Short Brothers company in order to meet a requirement to replace the Jet Provost as the basic trainer for the RAF, as laid down in Air Staff Target 412. It is an adaptation of the Embraer EMB-312 Tucano fitted with the more powerful 1,100 shp (820 kW) Garrett turboprop engine in place of the EMB-312's 750 shp (560 kW) Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 engine, to give higher climb performance.

JohnnyS

Nice try, but still not right!

1. Based on a previous successful line of piston engined fighters.

2. Although it had a single jet engine, it had dual tailpipes.

3. It had a tricycle undercarriage.

4. It had a straight wing.

5. It was operated by the military in the U.K., the Netherlands, India and Germany.

6. It was a jet fighter, and was used very effectively in the ground attack role during the Suez crisis.

Ernie P.

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Then you must be talking about Sydney Camm's Sea Hawk Fighter. Thanks; Ernie P.


The Hawker Sea Hawk was a British single-seat jet fighter of the Fleet Air Arm (FAA), the air branch of the Royal Navy (RN), built by Hawker Aircraft and its sister company, Armstrong Whitworth Aircraft. Although its origins stemmed from earlier Hawker piston-engined fighters, the Sea Hawk became the company's first jet aircraft. After successful acceptance in the RN, the type proved to be a reliable and sturdy workhorse and went on to export success abroad.

In the final years of the Second World War, Hawker's design team explored jet engine technology, initially looking at "stretching" and modifying the existing Hawker Fury/Sea Fury planform fitting a mid-engine Rolls-Royce Nene jet engine and moving the cockpit to the extreme front of the fuselage, creating the P.1035. With encouragement from the Air Ministry, the design was altered substantially, with the wing losing the elliptical shape of the Fury and featuring wing-root air intakes and short bifurcated jet exhausts (which gained the name "trouser legs"). This redesign culminated in building the private venture P.1040. The unusual bifurcated jet pipe reduced jet pipe power loss and freed up space in the rear fuselage for fuel tanks, allowing the aircraft to have a longer range than many other early jets. The aircraft's fuselage fuel tanks were fore and aft of the engine giving a stable centre of gravity in flight. Initially, the P.1040 was intended for the Royal Air Force (RAF) as an interceptor, even though a top speed of only 600 mph was forecast. When in 1945 the RAF showed little interest in the project because it offered insufficient advance over jet fighters already in service such as the Gloster Meteor and de Havilland Vampire, the P.1040 was offered to the Admiralty as a fleet support fighter, the P.1046.


The Sea Hawk, as part of the Fleet Air Arm, saw extensive service during the Suez Crisis, initiated by Egypt's nationalisation of the Suez Canal. The United Kingdom, France and Israel took part in the campaign, with the Anglo-French invasion being known as Operation Musketeer, beginning on 31 October 1956. Six Sea Hawk squadrons took part: two were aboard the fleet carrier HMS Eagle, and two each aboard the light fleet carriers HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark. The Sea Hawks were used for ground-attack, in which they excelled, causing immense damage to a variety of Egyptian targets. The military aspect of the Suez Campaign was a success, unlike the political disaster. All Allied forces were eventually withdrawn by 1957.

The Sea Hawk was a successful export aircraft. In the Royal Netherlands Navy, it served aboard the Dutch aircraft carrier HNLMS Karel Doorman, ex-HMS Venerable, including decolonization operations guarding against Indonesian threats in the area. From 1959 on they were equipped with Sidewinder missiles significantly enhancing and extending their air to air combat capabilities.[11] In 1964, the Sea Hawks that served on her were moved ashore when the NATO mission profile was changed to all ASW aircraft. When Karel Doorman was sold to Argentina they were quickly taken out of service.

In Indian Navy service (beginning in 1960), Sea Hawks were used aboard the aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, ex-HMS Hercules and saw service during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 and the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971. The latter war saw Sea Hawks being used by the Indian Navy; these aircraft scored nearly a dozen "kills", mainly of Pakistan Navy gunboats and Merchant navy ships and cargo ships in East Pakistan (present day Bangladesh) without losing an aircraft in the war. Aided by Breguet Alize aircraft, the Sea Hawks emerged unscathed, achieving the highest kill ratio for any aircraft in the entire war. The Sea Hawk was withdrawn from Indian Navy service in 1983, being replaced by the far more capable BAE Sea Harrier.

JohnnyS

You've got it!

Your turn.

Ernie P.

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Sorry, guys; just made it home after a long day. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) One of the almost forgotten, but key aircraft of an earlier era.

(2) It had three service lives; first as a bomber, then reconnaissance work, then again as a bomber.

Ernie P.

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An early morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) One of the almost forgotten, but key aircraft of an earlier era.

(2) It had three service lives; first as a bomber, then reconnaissance work, then again as a bomber.

(3) It was the first of its type to be refueled in the air.

uncljoe

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Boeing B 29

Semper Fi
Joe

zippome

Dh-4?
zip

Ernie P.

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Interesting; we have two guesses and the planes are over 25 years apart. This should help you sharpshooters narrow it down. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) One of the almost forgotten, but key aircraft of an earlier era.

(2) It had three service lives; first as a bomber, then reconnaissance work, then again as a bomber.

(3) It was the first of its type to be refueled in the air.

(4) Only operated by two nations.

Ernie P.

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And a late night clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) One of the almost forgotten, but key aircraft of an earlier era.

(2) It had three service lives; first as a bomber, then reconnaissance work, then again as a bomber.

(3) It was the first of its type to be refueled in the air.

(4) Only operated by two nations.

(5) The first of its type in service with its host country.

Ernie P.

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And an early morning clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) One of the almost forgotten, but key aircraft of an earlier era.

(2) It had three service lives; first as a bomber, then reconnaissance work, then again as a bomber.

(3) It was the first of its type to be refueled in the air.

(4) Only operated by two nations.

(5) The first of its type in service with its host country.

(6) A long series of engine problems continued throughout its lifespan.

G T

i wounder if it could be in the de havilland family

JohnnyS

B-57 Canberra?

Ernie P.

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No correct answers thus far. This should help. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) One of the almost forgotten, but key aircraft of an earlier era.

(2) It had three service lives; first as a bomber, then reconnaissance work, then again as a bomber.

(3) It was the first of its type to be refueled in the air.

(4) Only operated by two nations.

(5) The first of its type in service with its host country.

(6) A long series of engine problems continued throughout its lifespan.

(7) Its birth came about as a result of aircraft development in a wartime foe.

Ernie P.

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And a late night clue. Thanks; Ernie P.


Question: What warbird do I describe?

Clues:

(1) One of the almost forgotten, but key aircraft of an earlier era.

(2) It had three service lives; first as a bomber, then reconnaissance work, then again as a bomber.

(3) It was the first of its type to be refueled in the air.

(4) Only operated by two nations.

(5) The first of its type in service with its host country.

(6) A long series of engine problems continued throughout its lifespan.

(7) Its birth came about as a result of aircraft development in a wartime foe.

(8) Interestingly, it was replaced by not one, but two iconic bombers.