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Old 02-09-2020, 06:07 AM
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Morning clue. The next clue will be a sort of answer to the puzzlement that today's clue may cause. Clue 4 has been improved somewhat.

Looking for the name of a warbird.

1. Twin-engine monoplane.

2. Not many built: more than the total number of points scored in Super Bowl LIV but less than 100.

3. Four armed forces of the country in which it was designed and built used it, and so did two other countries.

4. It was also used by at least two airlines and several individuals.

5. It was a modification of an earlier airplane. Only one example of that earlier airplane was built; it was sold to one of the services that also bought our subject aircraft.

6. Crew of two.

7. Not fast: Top speed around 150 mph.

8. It was designed by someone whose name is very well known in aviation circles.

9. And another person, whose name is also very well known in aviation circles, bought one for his own personal use.

10. Named for an animal.

11. Of the four services that used it (Clue 3), the one that acquired the largest number of them was the army.

12. Some people have expressed surprise that the army would have found this kind of airplane useful enough to buy a relatively large number of them.
Old 02-09-2020, 11:25 PM
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All; I'm going to be very busy the next few days and probably won't be able to check in, but I'll be back soon. The way things are looking, I may still have a chance at answering Al's question. Thanks; Ernie P.
Old 02-10-2020, 05:14 AM
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Morning clue.

Looking for the name of a warbird.

1. Twin-engine monoplane.

2. Not many built: more than the total number of points scored in Super Bowl LIV but less than 100.

3. Four armed forces of the country in which it was designed and built used it, and so did two other countries.

4. It was also used by at least two airlines and several individuals.

5. It was a modification of an earlier airplane. Only one example of that earlier airplane was built; it was sold to one of the services that also bought our subject aircraft.

6. Crew of two.

7. Not fast: Top speed around 150 mph.

8. It was designed by someone whose name is very well known in aviation circles.

9. And another person, whose name is also very well known in aviation circles, bought one for his own personal use.

10. Named for an animal.

11. Of the four services that used it (Clue 3), the one that acquired the largest number of them was the army.

12. Some people have expressed surprise that the army would have found this kind of airplane useful enough to buy a relatively large number of them.

13. The army used many of them in the Philippines, Hawaii, and the Panama Canal Zone.
Old 02-11-2020, 04:56 AM
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Morning clue, plus this bit of information: Wikipedia says it had a crew of two (Clue 6); another source said three. It seems likely to me that in at least some of its roles it would very likely have had a crew of more than two.

Looking for the name of a warbird.

1. Twin-engine monoplane.

2. Not many built: more than the total number of points scored in Super Bowl LIV but less than 100.

3. Four armed forces of the country in which it was designed and built used it, and so did two other countries.

4. It was also used by at least two airlines and several individuals.

5. It was a modification of an earlier airplane. Only one example of that earlier airplane was built; it was sold to one of the services that also bought our subject aircraft.

6. Crew of two.

7. Not fast: Top speed around 150 mph.

8. It was designed by someone whose name is very well known in aviation circles.

9. And another person, whose name is also very well known in aviation circles, bought one for his own personal use.

10. Named for an animal.

11. Of the four services that used it (Clue 3), the one that acquired the largest number of them was the army.

12. Some people have expressed surprise that the army would have found this kind of airplane useful enough to buy a relatively large number of them.

13. The army used many of them in the Philippines, Hawaii, and the Panama Canal Zone.

14. First flew in the early 1930s. The last time one flew was in 1977.

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Old 02-11-2020, 06:41 AM
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Sounds almost like the Lockheed Hudson, other than the name. Could also be the G-21 Grumman Goose though, once again, not all the clues match.
Old 02-11-2020, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie View Post
Sounds almost like the Lockheed Hudson, other than the name. Could also be the G-21 Grumman Goose though, once again, not all the clues match.
Some things in common with both of these, but remember, less than 100 of the plane I'm looking for were produced. Keep trying: We wouldn't want Ernie to come back and find this still unsolved!
Old 02-12-2020, 05:07 AM
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Morning clue-

Looking for the name of a warbird.

1. Twin-engine monoplane.

2. Not many built: more than the total number of points scored in Super Bowl LIV but less than 100.

3. Four armed forces of the country in which it was designed and built used it, and so did two other countries.

4. It was also used by at least two airlines and several individuals.

5. It was a modification of an earlier airplane. Only one example of that earlier airplane was built; it was sold to one of the services that also bought our subject aircraft.

6. Crew of two or more.

7. Not fast: Top speed around 150 mph.

8. It was designed by someone whose name is very well known in aviation circles.

9. And another person, whose name is also very well known in aviation circles, bought one for his own personal use.

10. Named for an animal.

11. Of the four services that used it (Clue 3), the one that acquired the largest number of them was the army.

12. Some people have expressed surprise that the army would have found this kind of airplane useful enough to buy a relatively large number of them.

13. The army used many of them in the Philippines, Hawaii, and the Panama Canal Zone.

14. First flew in the early 1930s. The last time one flew was in 1977.

15. The armed forces were still using some of them in World War II. I haven't been able to find any reference to military use later than that.
Old 02-12-2020, 06:22 AM
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I am going to suggest the Douglas Dolphin.
Old 02-12-2020, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC View Post
I am going to suggest the Douglas Dolphin.
It is indeed the Douglas Dolphin. Well done! An amphibian, but the army had more of them than the navy and coast guard combined. Douglas's first airliner as well.

The Wikipedia piece is very basic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Dolphin

This source has more detail: https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...ircraft/rd.htm

And this one has an excellent picture of the one surviving Dolphin, which was once owned by William Boeing and is now in a museum, painted in coast guard colors.: https://www.boeing.com/history/produ...amphibian.page
Old 02-12-2020, 07:51 AM
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Thanks Al, that was a great quiz! Clues 11 and 13 really got me thinking and I got to looking at amphibians because they seem to be an obvious choice for island operations during the Interwar years. I will post a new quiz this afternoon.

Mike
Old 02-12-2020, 08:53 AM
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OK it took me less time than I thought to come up with a subject. Good luck!

I am looking for a Warbird.

1. The aircraft's development was started during a major war.
2. It would be the first purpose based aircraft to enter service with the military branch it was developed for.
3. The first concept twin engine aircraft was considered to be too large to be of practical use and cancelled.
Old 02-12-2020, 10:45 AM
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Okay, let's start off with a wild guess, the F7F Tigercat. It was the first twin engine interceptor built to operate off an aircraft carrier
Old 02-12-2020, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie View Post
Okay, let's start off with a wild guess, the F7F Tigercat. It was the first twin engine interceptor built to operate off an aircraft carrier
An excellent guess but not the airplane I had in mind but as the afternoon clue and your bonus clue indicates it has a relationship.

I am looking for a Warbird.

1. The aircraft's development was started during a major war.
2. It would be the first purpose based aircraft to enter service with the military branch it was developed for.
3. The first concept twin engine aircraft was considered to be too large to be of practical use and cancelled.
4. After the concept was cancelled several production aircraft were considered for modification to fill this role but that path was considered too impractical.
5. One of the aircraft considered in Clue # 4 is the F7F Tigercat previously mentioned by Hydro Junkie.


Old 02-12-2020, 06:35 PM
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Evening clue time.

I am looking for a Warbird.

1. The aircraft's development was started during a major war.
2. It would be the first purpose based aircraft to enter service with the military branch it was developed for.
3. The first concept twin engine aircraft was considered to be too large to be of practical use and cancelled.
4. After the concept was cancelled several production aircraft were considered for modification to fill this role but that path was considered too impractical.
5. One of the aircraft considered in Clue # 4 is the F7F Tigercat previously mentioned by Hydro Junkie.
6. Less than 400 were built.
Old 02-13-2020, 02:35 AM
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The only thing that I can come up with is the Grumman AF Guardian. But if that is it, somebody else can step up. I am almost never on RCUniverse anymore.

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Old 02-13-2020, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jeffEE View Post
The only thing that I can come up with is the Grumman AF Guardian. But if that is it, somebody else can step up. I am almost never on RCUniverse anymore.

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JeffEE you are genus! My next clue was going to be the aircraft was flown in pairs, you are correct it is the Grumman AF Guardian! What gave it away?

The Grumman AF Guardian was the first purpose-built anti-submarine warfare (ASW) carrier-based aircraft to enter service with the United States Navy.[1] It consisted of two airframes, one for detection gear, the other for weapons. The Guardian remained in service until August 1955, when it was replaced by the twin-engined Grumman S-2 Tracker. The Guardian was the largest single-engine piston-powered carrier aircraft ever to see service.[2]

Design and development

The original design concept for the aircraft that would become the Guardian, the XTB2F of 1944, was for a twin-engined aircraft with a 3,600 lb (1,600 kg) warload and a range of 3,700 mi (5,950 km).[3] This was considered to be too large for practical use from an Essex-class aircraft carrier, and was cancelled in 1945, replaced by a modified Grumman F7F Tigercat, the XTSF-1.[4]

However, this too was considered impractical,[5] and another alternative, the internally developed Grumman Model G-70, was selected instead, being given the Navy designation XTB3F-1. This was designed as mixed-power aircraft, with a Pratt & Whitney Double Wasp radial engine in the nose and a Westinghouse 19XB turbojet in the tail.[4] Originally, the Westinghouse engine was to be the new X24C which was to emerge as the J34 series. When it became apparent the X24C delivery schedules would not meet the airframe schedule, the 19XB-2B was substituted. This was found to be unsuitable, and the jet engine was removed without ever having been used in flight.[4] The XTB3F-1S carried a crew of two seated side-by-side and an armament of two 20 mm cannon and 4,000 lb (1,814 kg) of bombs, torpedoes and/or rockets, and made its first flight on 19 December 1945.[4]

On 24 December 1945, the Navy changed the role of the aircraft from torpedo-bomber to anti-submarine warfare. All the required equipment could not be fitted into a single aircraft, consequently two variants would be produced, one as a "guppy" (hunter) and another as a "scrapper" (killer).[6] The hunter aircraft would not carry any armament,[2] but instead two additional crew members and a ventral radome for APS-20 search "eyes" (radar) and Electronic Countermeasures (ECM) "ears", consisting of an APR-98 Countermeasures Receiver and AP-70 Bearing Indicator.[7] This aircraft, the XTB3F-1S, first flew in November 1948.[4] The "killer" deleted the cannon of the torpedo bomber, but retained the bomb bay, added a third crewmember, a searchlight, and short-range radar, and (as the XTB3F-2S) first flew in January 1949.[4]

Operational history

Redesignated as AF-2W (TB3F-1S) and AF-2S (TB3F-2S), the Guardian entered fleet service on 27 September 1950 with three aircraft delivered to VS-24,[8] with full service introduction shortly after[9] with VS-25.[10] A total of 193 AF-2S Guardians were built.[9] In 1952, the AF-3S (hunter) was introduced, fitting a magnetic anomaly detector (MAD) for the detection of submerged submarines; 40 of this variant were built.[9] The last Guardian was delivered to the Navy in March 1953,[9] with a total of 389 built.[4]

The Guardian saw service in the maritime patrol role during the Korean War, however it proved unpopular with pilots, being underpowered and heavy on the controls; the aircraft suffered from a severely high accident rate.[4] Shortly after the end of the war, it began to be replaced by the Grumman S2F Tracker,[9] the U.S. Navy first purpose-built ASW airplane to combine the hunter and killer roles in a single airframe.[11] The last AF retired from active service on 31 August 1955,[4] but it remained in service with the US Naval Air Reserve until 1957.[4]
Variants

XTB3F-1 Prototypes of two-seat torpedo bomber powered by one 2,300 hp R-2800-46 engine and a Westinghouse turbojet; three built.[4]XTB3F-1S & -2S Two modified XTB3F-1 prototypes with turbojet removed and ventral radome, later redesignated as XAF-1.[4]AF-2S Production variant with 2,400 hp R-2800-48 engine, 193 built.[9]AF-2W Hunter variant with search radar in a ventral radome, 153 built.[9]AF-3S Hunter/Killer variant similar to AF-2S with retractable MAD boom, 40 built.[9]Grumman Model G-90 Proposed combined AF-2S/-2W version, cancelled.

Specifications (AF-2S Guardian)General characteristics
Crew: three (four in AF-2W variant)[4] Length: 43 ft 4 in (13.21 m) Wingspan: 60 ft 8 in (18.49 m) (about 25 ft-wings folded (7.62 m)) Height: 16 ft 2 in (5.08 m) Wing area: 560 ft (52.03 m) Empty weight: 14,580 lb (6,613 kg) Max. takeoff weight: 22,640 lb (10,270 kg) Powerplant: 1 Pratt & Whitney R-2800-48W "Double Wasp" radial engine, 2,400 hp (1,790 kW)Performance
Maximum speed: 253 mph at full throttle not to exceed 30 minutes at 15,000 ft, gross weight 21,000 pounds (276 kn, 510 km/h) Range: 1,500 mi (1,304 nmi, 2,415 km) Service ceiling: 15,000 ft (4600 m) Rate of climb: 1,850 ft/min (9.4 m/s)Armament
Rockets: 6 5 in (127 mm) unguided High velocity aircraft rocket (HVAR) rockets Bombs: 4,000 lb (1,814 kg) of bombs, torpedoes, and depth charges
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Originally Posted by jeffEE View Post
The only thing that I can come up with is the Grumman AF Guardian. But if that is it, somebody else can step up. I am almost never on RCUniverse anymore.

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Clue 3 had me thinking the subject was a twin engined plane. That led me to the grumman E-1 Tracer
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Old 02-13-2020, 05:58 AM
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Hydro, you might want to edit out that gobble goop that didn't copy correctly. RCU Gremlins strike again! The concept was a twin but cancelled, I guess that was a little misleading. Had we gone longer I was going to mention they were flown in pairs with a variance in the two single engine air frames. I really thought I was going to get some more clues in before someone figured it out. The Guardian wasn't as unheard of as I thought.

So who wants to step up and start a new quiz?
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie View Post
Clue 3 had me thinking the subject was a twin engined plane. That led me to the grumman E-1 Tracer
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In the Navy this plane was refered to a "Stoof with a Roof" the basic airframe is a S2-F aka "stoof"
In some macabre terms this could be called a biplane.
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Old 02-13-2020, 08:51 AM
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I hope that removed all the "gobble goop" as I've removed it twice
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie View Post
I hope that removed all the "gobble goop" as I've removed it twice
I see the pictures in the goop's place!
Old 02-14-2020, 07:17 AM
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There also reports of a flying saucer trying to take an airplane away and since the radome was an aerodynamic shape over a traditional radar that rotated within the confines there was a lot of space for smuggling "contraband" on and off the ship......
or so I've been told
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Originally Posted by elmshoot View Post
There also reports of a flying saucer trying to take an airplane away and since the radome was an aerodynamic shape over a traditional radar that rotated within the confines there was a lot of space for smuggling "contraband" on and off the ship......
or so I've been told
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I'm surprised that didn't make it into a Vietnam era drug war movie.
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So; who is up? Or is the floor open? If the floor is open, do any new guys and/or lurkers want to jump in? Thanks; Ernie P.
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Since I'm assuming the floor is open, I'll try an "obscure" little aircraft and see you you guys do with it.
As I said, looking for an aircraft:
1) This aircraft was single engined
2) This aircraft had a crew of two
3) This aircraft was unarmed
4) This aircraft was flown by two countries, one on each side in the war this aircraft flew in
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