Finnish Brewster F2A Buffalo
 

Hi,
started collecting plans and documents for Brewster. Havent desided the scale, it will be 1/4 or 1/3. My fingers are like group of sausages so there is plenty of room for radio installion.
If anyone is builded or flown Brewster in any scale are most welcome to jointo discussion here!Going to visitso many times as possibleat Tikkakoski museum and shoot pictures from last Brewster.

Cheers

Jörö

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There is a current but slow build on rcscalebuilder. I will be starting a 1/5 build using a Saito 450 and Sierra Precision build next year. I need to finish a repair/make over of my 1/5 Wildcat first.

RE: Finnish Brewster F2A Buffalo
 

http://www.warbirdforum.com/buffpix.htm

I admire what the Finns were able to do with what was considered an obsolete design at the time.  Then again, I admire EVERYTHING about "The Winter War" and what was accomplished.  Roosevelt's biggest mistake was in yielding to Stalin and not backing Finland in 1939. 

http://www.warbirdforum.com/w3view.jpg

http://www.warbirdforum.com/herdbuffs.jpg

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Hi Carbecker and Charlie,
Nice threads on rcsb, keep it coming! Looks like it there is not so many Brewster models. Thanks from the drawning and lovely pic!
Havent seen that pic before. Ordered 2 Brewster books today andJerry Bates plans. Need to check accurary of those, dont have idea are these good ones or not. Leftrequest for very accuratescale drawnings also,soon we know is there any luckwith those. Goodthing is the museum whereis Brewster, is on my way to fathers place. I have about 400pics from that plane, and going to take more. :)

Cheers

Jörö

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Note the 3-view was while it was still experimental and the vertical stabilizer was changed in production.

From what I read the Brewester was a real brawler.  Slow, but it could turn inside almost anything.  In Finnish colors it achieved 29:1 against Soviet aircraft!  Those were older aircraft as well, but the Dutch proved it wasn't just that in the East Indies.  A flight of eight Dutch Brewesters jumped 20 Zeroes escorting 35 bombers and drove them off, splashing 11 of them and losing four of their own; and two of those pilots were rescued.  The pilots loved them because they absorbed a lot of damage and kept fighting.

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And true winter war was hard and cold. My grandfather is veteranand worked on Utti airfield at war time. And i served my time in army on very same place. There is still some war time barracks left. Very historic field in Finland.
-J-

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Yep, i noticed its not F2A. Funny thing is 1st look to Brewster was like D**** its a ugly one, now more and more i watch it, and more beautiful aircraft it is on my sight. I Just got to build this!!
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And true finnish pilots loved the plane. On cold winter they kept fire under the engine so they could start the plane in -40celsius. Indeed aircooled engine, no frozen water in radiator. Im sure the pilots needed something stronger also keeping blood running...

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This plane is too ugly :D
Must be the GeeBee of WWII fighters

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Last few pics i found. ;)

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Sleek it is not. But it will stand out from all the Mustangs and Jugs in the pits.

The British had an uninspiring nickname for them: "Suicide Barrel" Surprisingly they did no better or worse than the Hawker Hurricanes in the Pacific Theater.

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Hi Sonnich Johannesen,
there was so many pics.. you are already on darkside!!!! Fallen and badly to chubby chaser! :)
If it gives vibes, good or bad, it must be beautiful. 2 weeks ago i spent an hour watching the plane, im fallen to her.
-J-</p>

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hehe.....noooo.... ;)

you can buy plans from Jerry Bates here:
http://www.jbplans.com/shop/category.asp?catid=34

http://www.jbplans.com/catalog/2007_cat.pdf

Someone began building one here:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_18...tm.htm#1841719

Electric one here :
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=823570

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I have a 105 inch Bates Buffalo 1/2 built. the only thing left to build is the wing panels and then mount the stab/rudder and close up the aft fuselage.

Jeff

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Hi Jeff,
have seen your builds, always liked them!Do you haveany pics from your brewster? Or thread some where? If not please show pics here, much more fun to share tips. SJN, nice links, thanks! -J-

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Mike Selby built one for Top Gun a few years back. The Brewster can grow on you. I have let to many other projects get in the way![:@] There is a good Polish book on this also. If you are going to compete ask Jerry Bates about a 3 view. It should match the plans.

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Here you can see it differs from the GeeBee Model R - the GBR always completes the headstand into a full flip.

http://plane.spottingworld.com/image...h_Saratoga.jpg

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I sold Carl Becker my Sierra Giant Scale gear for the Brewster not thinking they would not be available again. Big mistake. Carl, I want them back!

I made a 1/5th scale cowl mold for this machine. Not sure what designation it is, but I am certain it is not the version used on the Brewsters used in Finland. Let me know if anyone needs this one. I would estimate in the last 10 years that I have only sold 4 or 5. Not a very popular cowling. Not worth doing.

I'd love to see a Buffalo fly some day.

Leo

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Good morning,
Leo, indeed there is many variations in cowl. going to make plug and mold for Finnish version. Its a shame there is not so many flying models from this one. I have heard all the flying reports are telling same story in any scale, its an excellent flyer.
Here pic from slightly crashed cowl..
-J-
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better view from cowl..
-J-

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These 2 books i ordered, should be plenty of information.

-J-
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The plane will be BW-393. With this planefinnish shot down 41 enemy planes. Propably highest score with 1 plane in ww2. Markings will be Hans Winds, he shot down with this plane 26 planes (75 total). Capt.E.Luukkanen shot down with this plane also 7 planes. Plane was destroyedby bombing at Immola Airfield 2.7.1944.

BW-393: Luovutettiin LLv.24:lle huhtikuussa -40. 18.6.41 kuului 4./LLv.24:lle. 28.1.42 ohjaajan ollessa tutustumislennolla kone laskeutui ennen kiitoradan alkua Kontupohjassa. 3.2.42 korjattavaksi lentokonetehtaalle. 1.6.42 luovutettiin 1./LLv.24:lle, ohjaaja kapt. E.Luukkanen. 10.11.42 ohjaaja ltn. H.Wind. 26.5.44 luovutettiin LLv.26:lle. 2.7.44 kone tuhoutui Immolan kent&auml;n pommituksessa. Koneella saavutettiin 41 ilmavoittoa, joista 40 LLv.24:ss&auml;. Mill&auml;&auml;n muulla yksitt&auml;isell&auml; koneella maailmassa ei tiett&auml;v&auml;sti ole saatu n&auml;in paljon voittoja. Kapt. E.Luukkanen saavutti 7 ja ltn. H.Wind 26 ilmavoittoa t&auml;ll&auml; koneella.

-J-

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Greetings from Finland

Sorry Jörö I think that BW-393 was not most well performed single plane during WW II. Record leader migth be German Me 110 night fighter. I can not find just now pilot of that plane but he scored over 50 with that.

Anyway nice that you start that project and as you know best three views you can find in Finland either Matti Patteri or Pentti Manninen. Manninens drawings are well published, twice in Pienoismalli (Finnish model magazine) and also in some other publications. And Matti has build one 1:4 BW. Which might be in Finnish Aviation museum in Vantaa.

Are you going to start that metal banging again?

Old Erkki

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You got me Erkki,
Metal will be banged again. I already sent message to Matti and will see is there plans for sale. And Pentti manninen told me his plans are too small for enlarging.
Yep there is only few good sources. Have seen Mattis Brewster and its truly a beauty. I just need something to do for my hands. so slowly progress in ahead.
-J-

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Just got the books, absolutely fantastic ones. Those are half english half finnish, if others are interested.
http://www.kolumbus.fi/kari.stenman/

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