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Old 03-16-2004, 06:56 PM
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Hey all, I'm trying to think of something to do for the summer, and I thought I would just build a tail dragger that at least looks like it can fly, I want to use household, or left over items, so far I have put together the following so far:

1) empty fuel can (metal) - the cowling (after a bit of reshaping ang cutting)

2) a wing (yes, it's not household, but I got it for free)

3) a piece of plastic from a soda bottle (2L I think) - canopy

4) the spring from a clothespin - gear shaft

Any Ideas for more items?
Thanks ahead of time.
Old 03-17-2004, 09:54 AM
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Default RE: household tail dragger

with that you aint going to build a plane. at best you can make somethind that resembles a plane, makes a lot of noise and smoke and ita fun for others to watch

get coroplast, some plans from spadtothebone.com and build a real spad. that is prooven design and you will be very satisfied

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Old 03-17-2004, 06:25 PM
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Nah, I don't want "a real spad" I want a hand built tail dragger that is built out of house hold items. (mostly)
Old 03-17-2004, 06:54 PM
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then why'd you post it in the "Spad" forum?
Old 03-17-2004, 09:09 PM
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i say go for it and use two 1/2 spatulas for props and a meat grinder chute for a fuse. good luck
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Default RE: household tail dragger

ORIGINAL: Covetski

Hey all, I'm trying to think of something to do for the summer, and I thought I would just build a tail dragger that at least looks like it can fly, I want to use household, or left over items, so far I have put together the following so far:

1) empty fuel can (metal) - the cowling (after a bit of reshaping ang cutting)

2) a wing (yes, it's not household, but I got it for free)

3) a piece of plastic from a soda bottle (2L I think) - canopy

4) the spring from a clothespin - gear shaft

Any Ideas for more items?
Thanks ahead of time.
I've got a couple of $5 brooms from Costco that have an aluminum shaft handle that would make a great tail boom. I wouldn't use a metal cowl, tho, use the bottom 1/4 of the 2l bottle.

Don't let the naysayers disuade you - just do the test flights in a safe area! Half the guys at my field didn't think my Airmadillo would fly, and darn near nobody thought my PBF would.....
Old 03-18-2004, 07:02 PM
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ORIGINAL: ChrisSpad

then why'd you post it in the "Spad" forum?
Where else should I put it?

Thanks for not discouraging me Teachu2 and steener, I will look for the brooms.

BTW, what is the aproximate diameter of the brooms?
Old 03-18-2004, 08:35 PM
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when you finnish, please pm me, because i am interested how the suggestions play out. im sorry i dont have any better suggestions. maybe vacuum wheels for wheels. not good. i do support the effort though. how about some pics when your finnished. good luck.
Old 03-18-2004, 08:38 PM
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no problem, but don't count on it until after the summer starts, right now I have no time to build it, I'm just getting suggestions, and building up my plans...

BTW, the wing I have is swept back, I was wodering, for the sake of being different, would it work if I put them on so that the ailerons lead, and make them a pair of swept forward wings?
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Default RE: household tail dragger

Alu Broom handle is a good idea for a fuse also. Got some old plastic cups lying around?? Those can be a cowl. Chopsticks, the light wooden/bamboo ones can be used to make a frame for a flat plate wing. And steal some wall paper to cover it
Or maybe toilet tissue with finishing resin??? No idea if that will work.

Slice up the wifes rolling pin for wheels?? (and the side benefit is that she can't hit you with it anymore).

Laminated paper plates to form tail feathers??

hmmm, think i better stay out of the kitchen for a while
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I USED SOME ASHTRAYS GLUED TOGETHER FOR WHEELS WITH OLD WATER LINE FOR THE RUBBER YOU GOTTA SPLIT IT AND GLUE TO WHEELS MAKES FOR GOOD CHEAP SCALE WW1 WHEELS GOOD LUCK
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Old 03-19-2004, 10:12 PM
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Swept forward wing will work, but ailerons still have to be on the trailing edge
Old 03-20-2004, 08:19 AM
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Sorry mf I though you where refering to my pic not the previous post ooops again my applogies.
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Is there amy logical reason supported by physics, mechanics, etc. why ailerons have to be in the back?
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I don't know about the physics, mechanical, etc reasons, but i assume that the ailerons are on the trailing edge due to the airflow. If they were on the leading edge it might affect the lift generated by the wing.

A pusher or tractor shouldn't make a difference to the ailerons being on the trailing edge.

Just my thoughts
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If ailerons were on the leading edge , air pressure would lock them full travel one way or the other. Wont work. thudriver
Old 03-23-2004, 11:12 AM
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Hmmm, check out the plans at www. redgreenshow.com

Just kidding, I think your questions are provoking some interesting discussion. The forward facing ailerons deserve more consideration, after all this happens briefly in a tail slide, or a descending hover or torque roll. mMht need to be very limited in both airspeed and control surface travel, and driven by a hefty servo though. Let us see what you come up with.


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Old 03-24-2004, 10:59 AM
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I think that the leading edge aileron will have the same approximate effect of the wheels turning the car being in the back (i.e. forklift)
That would make an interesting plane to fly.
I guess in that case, the hinges would have to be bonded much more securely.
the airodynamicy of the wing is nothing that I am worrying about though, full scale jets have the same shape (the thin part in the front, the fat part in the back.
Speaking of which, the horizontal flaps on jets are fully mobile, having nearly the same effect as ailerons in the front I suppose.

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