Leave some Feedback please becuase im considering both cars but im probably going to go with the RS4 because of its vast range of Hop's and general good things i heard about it. The 4-Tec has a good engine in it (does anyone ever get to 50mph+ on a track?) but heard the turning leaves much be desired! Anyway lets see what u guys think.

did you look at the tc3?

why not hold off and get the ofna LD3?

racing or just bashing?

well i would like to race it eventually after i hop it, and i have considered the TC3, you know of any good deals going? I dont even know what the OFNA is could u plz tell me...

between the rs4 3 and the 4-tec, the 4-tec can't handle, i speak from experience, comparing hanling between the rs4 3 and th 4-tec, the 4-tec is FAR FAR FAR behind, sure the 4-tec is FAST AS HELL reaching speeds of 60mph+ but what the hell are you going to do with that speed if your car can't turn? just my 2 cents

yea that is so true! also the RS4 3 has infinate hopping abilitys even to Championship Leverls, this has surely got to make it the winnder

Don't get the RTR3 Get the SS, has most of the hop ups that you will need to start with. a race legal engine. and all you need is a radio with 2 servo's. the SS is a much better choice. I know i have the RTR 3 and it cost about what it would cost for a decent radio to get what the SS comes with, IE, 2-Speed, Turnbuckles, better engine, YADA YADA u catch my drift

I have no experience with the 4-tec, so I can't help there, but I know the Nitro RS4 2 and the RS4 3 quite well, as well as the NTC3. The best bang-for-your-buck (or pound, maybe) deal is the RS4 3 Type SS Kit. With a few small hop-ups (mainly a pipe) its a great kit for racing, at a price that won't kill you.

The Ofna LD3, in my opinion, is a sad thing. It may perform well, but its a total hack job on the Associated NTC3. To an untrained observer it might be hard to tell the difference. I've got little respect for the car, they couldn't even come up with their own design. Speaks volumes about the merit of the NTC3 though.

As far as 50+ mph on the track, thats a rare speed. The only case I can think of is running on a 1:5 scale track (like KZ Speedway), but on a purpose-built 1:10 scalre track, I would be surprised to see cars reaching 50, and even if so, it wouldn't be for very long.

IN any aspect of racing the acceleration and braking is what you want to look at. It doesn't matter if you can out corner some body if they can get to the turn and fiddle around then shoot out faster then you. Then again I'm a balls to the wall guy and love the 4-tec. Big fan of the trx 2.5 so this is a biast opinion. If you don't overtune the 2.5 it wont give you any problems.

Just my two cents though.

Not true at all really, at the track i race at Crystal Palace you never really reach anything too high speed and the mix of Hairpins and tight sweeping corners make Cornering much more important!

I have an RS4 SS but with a catch. I have just recently installed the TRX 2.5 in it. I have the tallest pinion gears on it and I can't believe the added power the 2.5 gives it. The only thing I had to do was add a spacer to the rear shocks to help stiffen them up cause the 2.5 is much heavier than the 12 R SS. I have many years in this sport with cars, planes, and boats and have never seen such a piece of junk engine as the 12 R SS is. Now MAYBE I just happened to get a "lemon" but I don't know. My car handles even better than it use to with more weight. The steering is much better at all speeds.

OF COURSE why didnt we think of that? take the ss and drop the traxass engine in it! ~DOH~ lol...

I have a Rs42 with hop ups and I race newbie parking lot stuff at the local LHS I can tell you from personal experince that my little RS4 takes corners so much better than the guy with the 4tech there. He can fly by me in a straight but he ussually eats a board or better yet ends up on his lid in the 2 corner. I am waiting for the HPI R40 in september as my new car. I have heard tons of good things about the AE NTC3 though...I just hate Associated bad experince with a car once long story...it is between those two cars then get an RS4 unless all you do is drag race then the 4tech will be just grand at that

If the 4tec and rs4 3 both had the same engine and gearing, the 4tec would still go faster because it takes 2 turns on the 4tec's spur gear to make the tire spin once, while the rs4 takes 3 turns to make the tire spin once. But when it comes to handling, the rs4 definitely kicks some *****. Just drop in a fantom fr15 (42,500 RPMs) It's a killer!!!!

If you're strictly considering between the 4-Tec and the HPI only, I must say HPI is the only way dude. You know the facts man, in terms of handling, hop ups, parts availability. Most importantly, the QUALITY of the make.
If you're leaned towards getting the HPI now (which you definitely SHOULD after so many opinions from everyone in here), I would also suggest a thought on the NTC3, which in my experience is a great car. I had both of the Type SS Kit and the NTC3, after driving both of them, I just like the NTC3 more, the way it handles. I won't brag about it too much, it's just like how u like a particular brand of briefs if ya know what i mean. HPI is good, but in my opinion if you're serious into racing, NTC3 has what it takes for racing.

In terms of the way its set up.. I do like the TC3 better. The architecture is superior to the HPI IMO.

The 4tec.. like you said is FAST as hell. I guess it depends on your track. If you have loong straightaways, you may wanna use the 4tec.

At my local track you will mainly see Serpents, NTC3s, RS4, LD3s, and other 1/10 scale RTRs and kits, but no 4Tecs! I asked around and they all shook their head and said, "IF your gonna race, dont get it"

ram

If you put a better engine in the RS4 to replace the 15fe, you will blow the doors off any 4-tec. That is the 4-tecs only advantage over the RS4 3. 2-3 years ago, yeah, they were the car to get but why do you think they've pretty much disappeared from the race scene? People who do have them, just bash them. Just my opinion but you'll find others that will agree with me. Now with the stock engine, you might have to baby it up. Even with a 2-speed, racing pipe, and proper gearing might not be enough. To hold ground with the 4-tec , you should drop a O.S. or a Fantom engine ( cheap but have unbelievable power), you will beat them easily.
But correct me if I'm wrong.

the car doesnt matter as much as the driver does. its a personal opinion and some will like one and some will like the other. there is no right or wrong answer. so the only way that you will get a true answer is to drive both ans find out what you like the most.

Would'nt that cost money???? :stupid:

no, what i meant is that you find someone htat has one and ask if you can take it for a spin. or you buyboth and sell the other on ebay.

I agree with everyone here.

I have a 4-tec and love it, but would have a hard time - OUT OF THE BOX - racing it. But after some careful tweaking and really paying attention to what the car is doing when I make changes, I can get it to handle very well.

But I don't race all of the time. If I did I would get a TC3.

I was just kidding with you, gmac. This hobby is expensive and I wouldn't expect anyone to buy both. Best advice is to drive both, but if no one else has one then you should ask for a lot of opinions and the one that people favor, is the one to buy.

and you ask ppl what thehy do and their driving style so you can find out exactly what the car does good and bad. you dont wanna do what i did, buy a car w/out any idea what you are doing.