Go Back  RCU Forums > RC Boats > Speed - Electric
Reload this Page >

My new props from ABC

Notices
Speed - Electric For all your electric boating needs.

My new props from ABC

Old 04-20-2023, 04:37 AM
  #351  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Im please in fact that the locations are pre marked. Thats another good thing about the Insane mono. There's not alot of guesswork to get a good running boat! Its a beautiful and good running boat I suggest anyone getting into Monos of this size take a look. Some of the monos on the list are much harder to get your hands on.
Old 04-20-2023, 04:41 AM
  #352  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Put in speed craft rc boats and see what you get.

A OSE thread with Doug Smock showing boats from Lamar Huff you cannot get by talking about them.

special mono hulls not available to just anybody.

u also have to be a member there just to see the boats.

when you tie product information and photos to a private forum or a site u cut off everyone that does not participate on the site. Thats almost like a form of exclusion where you have to get along with and be friends with all their associates or you cant get the boat the prop or whatever. Im trying to stay away from that. Thats not a true consumers market where anyone can pay and play.

They do not like me so I will never be part of the in crowd or have access to those hulls. I guess you cant understand that. They have a lake in wake forest right up the road that I was told I could not bring my boat to so that was that and it makes it eazy to say we never saw him run!

all you have to do is read the WTC smakdown thread on IW to know what I say is fact!

None of it changes my theories about the boats.

This is their eternal metric so I will answer it. its that simple!

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 04:55 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 04:57 AM
  #353  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

If I cant make a good run at it then its all the technicians fault because the equipment is there and as good as anyone's. I am more than confident about that. If anyone disagrees they may post that here. If something Ive shown you cant live up to the task you can certainly post that here.

you could also say nice boat if you wanted to. True hearts are always on display because Ive seen many of you rant and rave over trash and I know none of this is that!

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 05:03 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 05:35 AM
  #354  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

I mean where do you even buy that hull. This is special for them. It is no different than how Ralph and his friends are with the planes. I cant say that about M Koch coz he said i can buy a typhoon anytime I like he is not like that. Doug and Lamar are in Atlanta and i know zero about them. Have no contact of any kind. One time Doug smock wrote me and agreed with a comment I made about Jay Turner (Fluid) thats it. We have never spoken other than that. They have always had fast monoplanes. I am not a mono guy i just want a nice monoplane. You all forget a have a full carbon 3 wing on the way. Thats my real baby. What's so bad is even jay turner as much as we argued said the hand winds were nice.
Ts wanted to see more and someone ruined that for everybody. The FE guys should have a right to see what I've worked on since my absence from IW. I only want to show them how to go faster with electric so people should move to the side and allow me that. Maybe a modeler who has nothing to do with our adult localized disputes can learn it and break everyone's record or do you wanna hold on to the torches till we die.??

I also know they like this!!!!
I read enuf overcite there about FE and wish i could help. Don says the ban is not on him. Ive asked to be back on the site several times. They let Jim back but not me.I guess because the nitro people wanted desperately to work with him and don't care so much about FE. I dunno he said they said they squashed it but i still cannot be there.. im not going to be salted about it many record holders and fast runners don't post on the forums anyway but I love electronics so i have some great ideas that will work that maybe a heavy competitor can gain a mph.

I mean it seems to be the thing to do..

JA has been banned on more than one site. i have Christian has been too. Ralph has left sites literally for years and taken all his photos down and locked his blog mad coz his argument could not be the only one heard

Sht happens!

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 06:07 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 05:58 AM
  #355  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

everyone of these people are talented but they have bad attitudes if you rub them the wrong way
Old 04-20-2023, 06:00 AM
  #356  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

James Scheafer ABC props does not give a ratz az about a forum.

Henry Nelson is the same way as I understand.
Old 04-20-2023, 06:08 AM
  #357  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

How many times have fast electric seen Lehner himself post on a forum? Some of the ideas I give you they would not. They work! U can take it or leave it.
Its my professional life so I really do not have to argue about it.

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 06:11 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 06:14 AM
  #358  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default



When the boys want to start cascading SiC inverters for 1000 ampere setups with Talega based firmware they can holla at me or not..
I have not decided if im going to pursue being a PCB engineer for ZUBAX


If I cant come to the boys and show them what I have Ill have to make them come to me is all.

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 07:57 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 08:21 AM
  #359  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Heavy competition in a sense limits me because I could use everything I know to have an edge. If I give it to you or anyone as a good faith modeler I no longer have that edge so that would mean by the metric of fastest it self id, then have no credibility because you can take my own idea along with a better boat and beat me. Thats the problem with it as a sole metric of know how. It is very valid for the setup of the boat overall but for the development of e traction it isn't really relevant other than the motor needing to be designed for the application. the other thing it does is i cant develop anything running all over the united states trying to prove my boat is faster than yours. Someone else has to take my motor or rewinds and go do that on a religious basis if thats what they are about. RC is not my only endeavor . I have kids and elderly parents to attend to as well. So me being at every rooster tail event is never happening.. My hopes are very high for Talega because it can learn your props load and set up the optimal commutation algorithm coefficients for the job. If im all over the country then I cannot develop and surface piercing drive pool or dock rig to make it work with a boat. Talega is aerospace grade commutation FW it is VERY efficient and has DSP based low pass filtering. What that does is alow you to filter noise from the input side like a stereos pre amplifier and tune out some of the frequencies that generate loss vibration and motor noise. You cannot all by yourself work compete every weekend and develop high efficiency motors and inverters .while meeting all your family obligations. I cannot neglect all those things in order to beat a boat JUST to have the FINAL word on a forum so it is what it is. If that's what people are into I wish them well. I have enuf equipment at my disposal to show you all the boat performance you can see in high definition and the speeds it runs thru gps. If you want to deduct mph because it is Futaba GPS that is fine. As far as the motors ive built a TEDs capable load cell torque cradle so that can speak for engines I wind. The data Aquisition is raw. csv so you should be able to view in on castle viewer. Defending that type of thread is all anyone is ever really banning. The calculators everyone has been using speak well enuf for themselves, However I want the real not predicted torque and rpm output of the engines versus the electrical consumption on the source side. I have a way to extract that real data now so I'm set.

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 08:43 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 08:49 AM
  #360  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default


You can believe the German SAW boat ambassador is highly interested in my boats motors and electronics projects that will feature this capability .
ZUBAX is in full cooperation but they want embedded solutions so a power (motor with embedded inverter) head for an outboard would be ideal.




This dynamic capability can be embedded directly to the outrunner mated with your lower drive unit. They don't have this sophistication YET and those are the facts. You can't be mad about that. Not even Zubax has a heavy background in rc boats. I am the bridge to you. If you are promoting the sport with my following you should support me because you are not going to get out here and do all this then take it to a lake and show everybody how it works.

All I need is a squirrel free space in order to do it and Ill give mostly everything because for me ideas come a million a second..

Anyone runing tunnel is more than welcome to take a 4025 I've wound specifically for your prop and marine operation you can test the motor. NO BS. i care less about it and have a few I want out of here anyway. If you like it you keep it and donate what you feel to further inverter and motor development. Im not about a profit. U need money for development and manufacturing the dreams. I guarantee you anything i send you works better than some overkill from Germany that burns 280 watts at idle.

Thats what I can back up in both direction err time!

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 10:08 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 09:20 AM
  #361  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

From measured constants taken with the castle Hydra ice 200 HV v2 @ 10 degrees timing

Black Karma Align 700Mx
Total losses 74.6 !
Copper .1 watts
Iron 73.6 watts

Esc .8 watts
Battery .1 watt
Kt= 11.55m Nm/amp
Km = .1639 Nm/Sqrt watts
Power Density 59.88[Kmē/g]
Maxon Eq 1.92 Max Eta 96%



The 2 German motor gurus that stay in my developmental rooms can calculate their own rewound motors comparative draw on the 1 milliohm cell and post it here... I don't have a problem with it.

Conversations restrained to such technics has been much more of an issue for them to abide by. I hope sincerely that you get that in the response to my calculated data so there is an honest view of things. '

You have my data offerings in plan view.

Regards
Hubert

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 11:02 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 09:37 AM
  #362  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Here is Dr Ralph Okons 4225 from scorpion motors he wound that was supposed to destroy it. He sits here currently on the forum watching everything I do so he is welcome to make correction and post it here.

Hiz constants were Taken with kontronics JAZZ on autotiming so he basically cheated too.

Powercroco
Iron losses 280.9 watts
Copper losses.3 watts
Esc 7.2 watt

The battery loses 2.4 watts
His power density is 50.18 Kmē/g
His Kt is 4.81 mNm/amp
Km .1552 Nm/sqrt watts
Maxon eq 1.92 Max Eta 93%




Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 09:44 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 09:39 AM
  #363  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Chrisian Lucas has already posted his own efficiency at 93.5% based off his constants with a MGM comp pro so hes obviously present and has enuf stamina to post his own calculations in this regard to compare to the "starter" motor..

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 10:02 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 09:54 AM
  #364  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Dr Okon tore his down and just said forget it it was not a good motor.

Christian is changing the rotor to a 14 pole and adding compressed aluminum hairpin coils. Which was basically my suggestion to him long ago.

It is only a half a % difference in eta between them....

The Align remains the same I have no reason to leave it. I just plan to rewind it more neatly and add direct phase cooling. The wires not the stator.

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 10:00 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 10:04 AM
  #365  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Now if I can get a technical response that entails their comparative data I would really appreciate that.


Regards,
Hubert

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 11:04 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 10:11 AM
  #366  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

For me a hand rewinder there are more attractive outrunner solutions than a scorpion. Cobra for instance ETA is 95% and its already 14 pole!
it also cost about 6 times less. a good outboard head
Old 04-20-2023, 10:36 AM
  #367  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

While I wait for comparative number from them I dont like the servo rod and want something stout so lets get back to building the boat in the meantime. ill design those power trim tabs or stinger linkage today.. Its a Byers wire drive and he thinks I should add another t bar closer to the motor. I have a long run of 1/4 flex cable so I use that to facilitate a smooth bend. Maybe I can finish the majority of the build today and get it on the water as soon as cells arrive. It doesn't take but a few days to install hardware in a built hull. One night is all u really need if you have all the supplies at hand.. We wont speculate too long.

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 10:57 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 11:11 AM
  #368  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Now that the level playing field has been established to just the technical and you are both in the room. I would appreciate it you post your OWN battery consumption data and power density numbers for the 41 series Lehner and 4225 hkII DD scorpion you wound for a FE boat and or developed with the help of machines on cells that are 1 milliohm.

Thanks again,
Hubert

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 11:15 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 11:24 AM
  #369  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

i also think its fair in a SAW discussion u have decided to engage in since I say its illegal that now if you are intimately involved in the Corvus that you post the actual depth of the concavity. You seem to know alot more about the boat than meets the eye. If it is legal you can just ask him right? he will even post a photo right? Its a fair question and u certainly would not want to leave it unanswered. . Give us a number so when i protest it we know what to expect.

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 11:28 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 11:46 AM
  #370  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Please don't leave Christian. You had something you want to add here about the motors I'm using and the boat hull so we would love to hear your technical assessment of everything I have. Youre right id should be open to suggestions so show me the battery consumption of the setup you'd use with your 41 series. It is a marine motor correct? Can it do the job of taking me past 126? Ill be happy to buy one just tell me about it so I can understand why it would be better than the Castles or Neu's I want to run?

You are also a tunnel specialist so what is the weight of the twin outrunner outboard and the prather lap cat. what is the estimated speed with that setup and props. When do you plan to run the boat?





See the intelligent embedded solution with aluminum heatsinking for the outboard motors embedded speed control with short current paths.that would just wire directly to the battery and you hook your laptop up to the outboard motor itself for datalogging and settings changes?
It can have a motor cowl
will you be bringing your to the German saw anytime soon?

I guess with this I could let the pig tails come all the way down to water spray levels and move on.

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 12:25 PM.
Old 04-20-2023, 11:50 AM
  #371  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

I also contacted you about a 3040 you never said anything....

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 11:54 AM.
Old 04-20-2023, 12:27 PM
  #372  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

I think we can settle down and talk comfortably about my Insane mono because many people cannot show you much about Talega based FE outboard motors and embedded power packages that are CAN bus capable AEROSPACE APPROVED and additionally UAV & UUV compliant. So they can run it in a submarine, underwater rover, drone, or a UAV and it is equally at home in all of them.

Christian,
Can your SCORPION headed outboards stack and embed the short 96% Eta at 448 grams and have such short current paths and additionally learn the prop loading and set the drive optimally for the nth degree of efficiency? I only see 93% in Ralph report and 93.5% in yours. The drives you used are of ultra high efficiency around 98% or higher so what really goes there with the senior engines ???

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 12:48 PM.
Old 04-20-2023, 12:59 PM
  #373  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

it's also extremely odd that you show the Americans on IW and OSE outboards with scorpion heads Didn't you say they lack torque because Scorpion did not listen to you and run wide iron teeth and designed them instead for Dr Okon big wire winds ?

Dont you have current threads saying his motors suck?

So whats credible about what you say?

This is your setup right? and these are scorpion motors correct?



Are those k series graupnmer props? The motors cant snap those?

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 01:04 PM.
Old 04-20-2023, 01:09 PM
  #374  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Let me also ask you when you hand grind propellers with a Johnson 5 super cavitating foil how did you map the prop to make sure it was compliant to the profile all over the prop. That seems very difficult by hand and to measure with no 3d photographic analysis software. Im not interested in doing it for myself i just wonder how that done.accurately by hand on such a small scale? What exactly were the speeds of you record runs?
Old 04-20-2023, 01:12 PM
  #375  
Clugh
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2021
Location: RTP, North Carolina
Posts: 1,100
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

There were 20 people in this room. its awfully slim now..... Just me and you and one guest Ralph .

Are you surprised to see your engines on his boat? Let me find the full photo.

Looks like he likes them to me. Because his aren't there.

u sure u2 arent just putting on a show to selll your motors to the Americans? Your efficiencies are essentially the same.

Last edited by Clugh; 04-20-2023 at 01:19 PM.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.