Radio recommendations
I am enjoying 1/8 scale hydros on electric but wanted to see what radios you guys are using. I want to get something reliable because these speeds could be dangerous
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Most of the guys I run with, myself included, use a pistol grip wheel radio. I personally use a Futaba 4PLS(which is now out of production) 2.4GHz system. What makes these so popular is that you don't have to worry as much about how far to move the sticks to control your boat. I tried to use a twin stick radio, twice. I found it was very difficult to hold a straight line or a steady radius on a corner, things that are very important when you're running with other boats at high speeds, with a stick radio. You are right, these boats ARE very dangerous. Several years ago, I watched a scale Budweiser go out of control(never did learn why) and hit the transom of a Livingston 8ft chase boat. The result was a large hole in the Livingston due to the left sponson going right through the FG. Had the Livingston not been beached at the time, it would have probably been lost due to the damage it took.
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
(Post 12764701)
Most of the guys I run with, myself included, use a pistol grip wheel radio. I personally use a Futaba 4PLS(which is now out of production) 2.4GHz system. What makes these so popular is that you don't have to worry as much about how far to move the sticks to control your boat. I tried to use a twin stick radio, twice. I found it was very difficult to hold a straight line or a steady radius on a corner, things that are very important when you're running with other boats at high speeds, with a stick radio. You are right, these boats ARE very dangerous. Several years ago, I watched a scale Budweiser go out of control(never did learn why) and hit the transom of a Livingston 8ft chase boat. The result was a large hole in the Livingston due to the left sponson going right through the FG. Had the Livingston not been beached at the time, it would have probably been lost due to the damage it took.
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I started out, in 1982, with a Futaba 27MHz twin stick two channel, mostly because it was cheap and I was a poor E2 in the Navy. It went into my first two boats, then found its way onto a shelf where it still sits.
Radio number 2 is a Futaba 9CAP on 75MHz. It's a great radio, other than the fact that it's more of an aircraft radio. It's also sitting on the shelf waiting for me to get some planes built to put it in. Radio number 3(and 4 for that matter) is the previously mentioned Futaba 4PLS. I still use it in my boat that I presently run and will be using it in the multiple boats I'm building. As far as I know, no one makes a waterproof receiver. There are ways to increase water resistance however. Here are four ways, each with it's own benefits and issues:
https://www.towerhobbies.com/product...PRB286072.html Hope this helps |
Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
(Post 12764717)
I started out, in 1982, with a Futaba 27MHz twin stick two channel, mostly because it was cheap and I was a poor E2 in the Navy. It went into my first two boats, then found its way onto a shelf where it still sits.
Radio number 2 is a Futaba 9CAP on 75MHz. It's a great radio, other than the fact that it's more of an aircraft radio. It's also sitting on the shelf waiting for me to get some planes built to put it in. Radio number 3(and 4 for that matter) is the previously mentioned Futaba 4PLS. I still use it in my boat that I presently run and will be using it in the multiple boats I'm building. As far as I know, no one makes a waterproof receiver. There are ways to increase water resistance however. Here are four ways, each with it's own benefits and issues:
https://www.towerhobbies.com/product...PRB286072.html Hope this helps |
Hockey stick tape could be part of the problem. It has a very porous fabric base since it's used to improve grip during play. I use tape that is similar to scotch tape but thicker. Since it doesn't have a fabric weave to it, the tape I use doesn't allow for water to get through and into the radio box.
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
(Post 12764743)
Hockey stick tape could be part of the problem. It has a very porous fabric base since it's used to improve grip during play. I use tape that is similar to scotch tape but thicker. Since it doesn't have a fabric weave to it, the tape I use doesn't allow for water to get through and into the radio box.
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I just found "hockey tape" that some are using for taping their electric boats. Is this the same as what you've been using or is yours the white fabric type?
https://www.allrc1.com/product-page/...e-1-x-33-yards |
Tape
Yes that the one I’m using
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Okay, I stand corrected :cool:
That brings us back to the rudder linkage hole, a leaking seam or where the wires come out of the box for the ESC. |
Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
(Post 12764907)
Okay, I stand corrected :cool:
That brings us back to the rudder linkage hole, a leaking seam or where the wires come out of the box for the ESC. |
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https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...ae9d42f9cd.jpg Hi Kevin, I started with a Futaba Conquest AM 4 channel surface stick. Then to 2 channel AM wheel. I never replaced Futaba with anything less than Futaba. That's my opinion, no argument, simply that. They all still work. My latest is the 10PX.The Castle XLX2 is my latest inverter which is waterproof. For some of my latest scales and boats I'm implementing FASTEST gyro controlled ram wings. What kinds of speeds do you expect? Regards, Hubert |
I need to bring radar gun out but 60-70 mph I would think. Hopefully more! I am new to fast electric so everything is new to me. Been experimenting for now. Going to build some turn fins and see what they will do to handling in turns. I have not made final decision on radio yet so I will check the one you use out. Thanks
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Originally Posted by kevinthoele
(Post 12765975)
I need to bring radar gun out but 60-70 mph I would think. Hopefully more! I am new to fast electric so everything is new to me. Been experimenting for now. Going to build some turn fins and see what they will do to handling in turns. I have not made final decision on radio yet so I will check the one you use out. Thanks
Thats def doable. Whats the set up?? As a side note Virginia Craftsmen builds a good sport 40 and scale turn fin in my opinion. Dyck Tyndall (EL Zorro) in Intlwaters.. An extremely nice guy with alot of kneeler knowledge. His fins are not the only ones that are nice but to me his sits up there with the "betters" for scales. The main thing is when you table the boat you align the fin in 3 axis. It can dig or lift the sponsion as well as bias the boats Straightline. Ideally you want to boat to track straight and level with zero rudder trim or input from you. Regards, Hubert |
Originally Posted by Clugh
(Post 12766539)
Hi Kevin,
Thats def doable. Whats the set up?? As a side note Virginia Craftsmen builds a good sport 40 and scale turn fin in my opinion. Dyck Tyndall (EL Zorro) in Intlwaters.. An extremely nice guy with alot of kneeler knowledge. His fins are not the only ones that are nice but to me his sits up there with the "betters" for scales. The main thing is when you table the boat you align the fin in 3 axis. It can dig or lift the sponsion as well as bias the boats Straightline. Ideally you want to boat to track straight and level with zero rudder trim or input from you. Regards, Hubert I have 2 1/8 hydros. Circus built from a kit and fiberglass Miller American. I am using Rattlesnake electric set up. Here are a couple pics https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...84f83de6b2.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...50caa3b17a.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...4caa43efe1.jpg |
Originally Posted by kevinthoele
(Post 12766579)
I have 2 1/8 hydros. Circus built from a kit and fiberglass Miller American. I am using Rattlesnake electric set up. Here are a couple pics
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...84f83de6b2.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...50caa3b17a.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...4caa43efe1.jpg |
I had a friend who has passed now James Allen that was pretty anal about the hardware he built. These fins were milled from 1/8 inch spring steel. Some saw competitors us real knife blades. A knife blade belt grinder could make some really slick rudders and fins from steel... he set world records back in the day with all his own hand built motors and hardware..
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...76b34c83b4.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...55c6dbe8aa.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...2e40f29cb5.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...452a235af1.jpg Thin and sharp translates low underwater drag. We think prop blast is the best water pickup. Flow as much as you can. |
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...a6ab4e2872.jpg If you would like a link where he shows you how to machine your own hardware Ill send it to you |
Yes that would be great. Thanks for the information
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Originally Posted by kevinthoele
(Post 12766590)
Yes that would be great. Thanks for the information
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...867ff8fea2.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...09e7678b6d.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...e3b00ee219.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...d3c945c80e.jpg James Scheafer of ABC props put his stamp of approval on Brian Buass propeller work with his props so there really isn alot left to say. I highly respect James opinions as a Nautical engineer and metallurgist. He knows his stuff and he says Brian is datt piff! and Lohring is very intelligent as far as I'm concerned. They have a strong team and those boyz are running hard Kevin. AFAIK they were supposed to be going for the IMPBA scale record sometime in the near future. You can see here it doesn't matter if water got in the hull. The electronics are all sealed away. Regards, Hubert |
I have another German friend who is an engineer for Lehner Motoren.. Maybe he will chime in because he has some special ideas about the turn fin. He is the mechanical engineer so he can explain how it works better than I can. The blade is a round pizza cutter design.
Sorry I cant help with that one!! https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...ca7b6757b3.gif https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...1a9ad27903.jpghttps://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...30e00e7e9c.jpghttps://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...87c5e3f2d2.jpg He is a conceptual egg head that does alot of odd things like this. However they are always explainable and fundamentally sound. He has also held several world records back in the day with brushed motors. That may not mean anything to anyone but He also holds 9 patents in alternative fuels cells, avaiation instrumentation, and electric motors. He shows me and I'm thankful at 52 yrs. of age and so I take it in..Kevin.. This may be much more than you care to know if so I apologize. Regards, Hubert |
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rcu...8f640c62c9.jpg Speaking of which I told him I do not like rudders with pivot mechanics like this and there are many. Do you know why? |
Interesting stuff. Like the jumping off and trying something idea!!!! Pizza cutter idea seams interesting!!!! Seems like it would have to be pretty large to stay in the water on the 1/8 scale hydro!!
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Originally Posted by kevinthoele
(Post 12767324)
Interesting stuff. Like the jumping off and trying something idea!!!! Pizza cutter idea seams interesting!!!! Seems like it would have to be pretty large to stay in the water on the 1/8 scale hydro!!
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I just talked to Mr Tyndall who says hes had alot going on with surgeries etc. He says maybe in a few months he will turn some fins. I really love how the boats handle with his but you'll have to look at other options for now. Ive never run the rattlesnake rc so I dont know how it handles etc. This is a Virginia Craftsmen and the boats handle great with it in my opinion.
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