New Updated Supervee 27
 

http://www.aquacraftmodels.com/boats...27r/index.html :D

Who will review it 1st?

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no lipo cut off? i don't even have nihm cells anymore, my sv destroyed all of them

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I'm really wondering why both this and the cat don't have a more lipo friendly ESC. That's a big sticking point as I see it. Nobody getting into this hobby today should invest in nimh packs.

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What happened to your battery packs?

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The Cat has a lipo ready esc.. ;)

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Did you see in the video, the trim tabs are adjustable?

...with a pair of pliers...

(They probably could have kept that part out of the video)

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:D

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Funny thing one of the clerks from the local hobby shop tried that with his,Cracking sounds & the look on his face was priceless. :eek:

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I had an SV once too, sold that quick....

Fit & finish were very low in quality. Fast boat though....

It's funny how the SV runs on a modified (water cooled) Airplane esc, old style original SV that is...

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@ Ms. Darla when i first got my sv i didn't know to much about batteries, i'd run the nihms till they were pretty dead cause that is what i thought i was supposed to do cause of my nicd days. well as most of you know heat build up in nihm cells especially towards the end of the pack, pretty much just over heated them and they don't hold a charge well, i also experienced a cell exploding, it blew the taped on hatch off at least. even normal runs would heat up the packs though, i just don't feel they provide the amperage, i mean they are suggesting 3000 mah packs when my sv pretty much ate the 5000's alive, with lipos i don't even feel like they are breaking a sweat.

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The big battery debate which I have been trying to tell these companies they should try to educate buyers in details about which batteries to use or not to use.

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Other than the new radio (and fixing the water pickup and water jacket so you know, they actually work) I don't see anything here that justifies the sizable price jump to $329.

What was the price of the old SV? I think they were down to $279 or less.

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well lets see, you have a new radio ($75), new water pickup, better cooling on the esc and extra turn fin..
many boaters have spent way more than $329 to get their SV up and running like this..
and with the $60 off at Tower the price is $269 ;) for a brushless 2.4g boat

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i got my 2.4 from hobbyking. 20 bucks plus shipping and it has worked flawlessly so far. i made my own cooling pick up with a $1.00 piece of copper tubing and still use the stock cooling jacket( mine never leaked). I think turning left is over rated but i know i could make my own if i wanted to for around 15 bucks or less, probably much less. But are the turn fins carbon fiber now or are they just anodized black?

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well mine is all stock, and runs 49mph on 5s, so ???
the trun fins are anodized black aluminum on the new ones
$329 plus $60 for tower members is still a great price for what you get with this new SV27 ;)

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why do you always mention things that had nothing to do with my post? we were talking about price point and your first comment is that you have ran 49.1 in your stock sv. that is great but only needs to be mentioned when some one asks what kind of speeds others are obtaining or something of that nature. I appreciate the knowledge you bring to this web site but try reading the post you are responding to.

i agree that 60 off of 329 is a great deal for this boat. but that should be the base price

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just bringing up a fact.. the first gen was great stock and now the new one is even better
this is a great price.. now you want it for less than the original and this R version has more to offer?
yah, oh k ;)

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i feel that the technology has advanced enough since the original release of the sv to allow for a lower price point, all the molds are made and parts should be cheaper now then ever before so yes to do want the r version to be cheaper. If they would have kept the original as a base model and added this r version as an out of the box upgraded version then i could see the justification in a higher price, but to take a product off the market and replace it with a very similar but more expensive version is not something i believe should be practiced.

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It has a new and better motor, redone esc for cooling, different water pickup, extra trun fin, better water jacket on the motor, and a 2.4g radio
people will pay for a better boat.. ;)
and $269 from Tower is a great price in my opinion

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Well the price is good (after the discount) and the improvements were needed, but there is no way it justifies a $70 jump in the price. (The SV27 brushless was $249 before discounts in the 2010 Tower Catalog).

First off, we should all know by now that they manufacture this stuff for pennies, we can buy stuff at greatly reduced rates from places like Hobby King, and Hobby King is taking a profit even at those prices. What do you think this stuff costs at a manufacturing level?

Let's go over the improvements:

The radio - yeah it's great to get rid of that AM glitch factory, but do you really think the Tactic radio costs that much for them to make? They probably replaced the AM radio on the production line with this one since even the $139 Rio EP comes with it, so the R&D on that radio was paid for a long time ago. Maybe add $20 for that one...tops.

The motor is new (well, it's anodized yellow), but how do you know that it is better? If it is better, how is it better? Is it more efficient, does it run cooler, will it last longer? What was so bad about the old motor that they needed to replace it? Maybe this newer one is cheaper to make?

The same with the ESC. As far as the description goes, it's a different shape and the cooling is integrated, but functionally, it is the same. Even after years of the old one not having a lipo cutoff they still didn't address that. Does this functionally identical ESC cost more to make than the old one? And I'm not talking about does it cost one of us more to make in our workshops, but rather, over in China where they make them by the thousands, does a 45 amp ESC with no lipo capability still cost that much to make?

Extra turn fin? Seriously? Do you think that costs more than 10 cents at the manufacturing level? It's essentially an extra of the fin already included in the old kit.

Better water jacket on the motor. Now this one is new, it's needed, and it may have actually add 1 or 2 bucks to the cost of manufacturing, so there, a but of additional cost may be justified.

The water pickup (which was a flaw in the first version of the boat - that's why they fixed it in the nitro version) is again pennies to add. If anything the time to drill the holes and screw the thing to the transom add more to the cost than the part itself.

Also, the black anodizing on the hardware - the cost between black, and the blue anodizing on the old stuff would be trivial if not cheaper.

The hook again, it probably costs more to screw this to the hull than the price of the part.

So there you go. All the upgrades are great, and they are indeed welcome, but they are pushing it by raising the price so much. I could see $30 or even $40, but there just isn't new development of the product here for an extra $70 - especially when all they did was most of the stuff we asked for in these same forums years ago right after the boat came out.

(They boat is crazy good deal at $249 though - why can't that be the regular price?)

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Don't like the price, buy something else.

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wow.. from the outside looking in.... ALL assumptions.. everyone of them..

The good folks on forums will ALWAYS question what is done and how its done and how much it costs.. and 99 percent of it is based on assumptions.

Its OK.. its just the way it is…

ROCK AND ROLL SV 27

Grimracer

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Well said,looks pretty good to me[8D]

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I agree with most of this and have no problems with the slighly higher cost but..... Grim, why no lipo cutoff? No lipo cutoff on a rtr brushless boat hardly made since when the boat came out a few years ago but to make an updated version with no lipo cutoff is ridiculous on a brushless boat. Especially now that lipos are the norm for most anything brushless. Just wondering ;)?

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I second or third or fourth, wait I said it first, on the lipo thing. I'm really really surprised at that. But beyond that I don't think they set the price based on the cost of the upgrades over the original boat. You look at it compared to the rest of the market. Is it a better value then the proboat bj26. Yes. Does this mean it should cost more? You bet! First law of business: Charge what the market will bare. Stinger, you estimate the cost of a waterjacket at pennies, but I bet you've purchased them for 20 bucks. Blue ray DVD players have come down in price drasticly since their arrival in the market? Why? Have they become cheaper to make? Mabe some byt not by 60%. They charged what people were willing to pay. That's what Aquacraft needs to do. And when they make lots of money until the compatition gets a clue and catches them, they have money for R and D on the next boat. You know they are probably selling it to the hobby shops for 180 bucks. Seems unfiar when the HS just has to mark it up and sell it. I'm surprised at you stinger after all the good performance you got from the 1st one. Still don't understand the no lipo cutoff.