rio 51 racer

I dicided that the rio is really a beginner boat so i thought i would save up my$$ to get a new hull (as many of u suggested i was looking for a hull auout 55-70 inches that can go fast and handle some chop i was looking at the Expresscraft phantom and apache. If u guys could scrounge up a used one that would be great!! And for engine i was thinking a inline zen?

8MILLSNIPER007

What is it you are asking Rio? 

rio 51 racer

Hull and engine recomdations

expresscraft

you really cant build a 520 powered boat and be on a budget, its like asking for a cheap lamborgini, if you get it running right and the hull is fiber glass you will destroy the boat in a few weeks, thats the whole reason we do no t make hulls out of fiberglass any longer, the new motors today like the quickdraw pioneer, the rcmk k-30 and 29 zen are all allowing everday boaters to get well into the 60 mph range and some into the 80s with the weight of the twin and crashing at those speeds fiber glass has had its day, plus the 520 will make a mess out of any building mistakes you make, cables and props add up quick,you will find a new carbon fiber hull at 300.00 is cheap, when you start your project.keep that in mind if you find a fiberglass phantom or apache at even half price.

expresscraft

just re read your post, and saw where you where looking at a inline zen, i would go with the 520 better motor, less money, one flywheel,one crank, faster motor, also we have some other big hulls,

8MILLSNIPER007

+ 1 on what expresscraft said, but there is nothing budget about a twin engine.  What are you looking to do with the boat? Race or play? As far as used hulls go, they have a section on RCU where you can place items for sale and you can also post wanted items on there, or there is always ebay.  As far as the engine part goes, havent you already posted about this in the past?  Seems to me that I already read a thread where you asked about engines. Nothing has changed, YOU WILL HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING A BETTER DEAL THEN THE ONE EXPRESSCRAFT ALREADY OFFERED YOU!!  I am not trying to be mean but it seems like you are not reading the answers to your own questions.

expresscraft

thanks for the support oo7, but at the same time there are many more reading then posting so to me its all good, and im glad to get the info out,even if it is repetitive, im glad the gas boat section is getting used.

rio 51 racer

Sorry for all these questions because i just am trying to build a good nice boat but not break the bank! I agree a inline is way to expensive. I preatty much have decided on geting the phantom 70in but i just dont think 1 zen is really going to get it moving. I really do apoligise but , motor recomadations for phantom 70in??

8MILLSNIPER007

Rio, I think you will be surprised at how fast that boat can go with one engine in it.  Do you know anything about the x-force engines? they are are very good engine and the parts are interchangable with zenoah.  X-force parts are priced lower than Zenoah as well...

rio 51 racer

At gizmo I can get a 254 EVO with pipe for 275

8MILLSNIPER007

That would be a great choice as well, you will still need a mount for the engine. Either one would be a good fit. Although if it is all out speed your looking for the K30 might be a better option for a larger boat.

rio 51 racer

Do you think it will be wide enough to fit duel engines

8MILLSNIPER007

I would say yes, but the person thatwould know best would be expresscraft. You can pm him on here

rio 51 racer

Or a qd 35 there's so many options
how much $ do u think this is going to be like the whole boat

expresscraft

i have 4 qd 35's, and unless you already own one they are old news, and are not in the ball park of the k-30 or 29 zen,that said the 70" phantom is only a 10 lbs or so boat, it will haul the mail with a single, as a matter of fact it will more likely then not be faster with a good single, twins are a lot of work as well,they are not for everyone, they are cool yes, but i would not want one as my everyday runner,when i go to the lake i want to run boats, not work on them, i have plenty of boats to work on.you can fit two rear exhaust rcmk side by side in the apache, or stagger two side exhuast motors.dont forget what i said though, most likly when you have spent all the money, and time building a twin, it will still not be as fast as a single,powered deep vee,

rio 51 racer

I'm eathier going to get
Twin 254 evos and upgrade down the road or
A single qd 25
Or duel qd 25

8MILLSNIPER007

I can tell you that you will be far better off with just one engine in the boat, many times a boat is faster and will handle better than with two mills in it.  Quickdraws are great engines but they are also very costly as well, if you were to put a RCMK K30 in the 70" Phantom you will be surprised at just how fast it will be.  And the K30 will save you alot of money that you can put into your hardware and electronics or even getting some mods done to the K30.  It takes alot more than a whole bunch of motor to go fast, you need to have a good setup that will handle the power you have or you will end up frustrated and the boat will become a shelf queen.  You also need to think of safety, a 70" hull going 50-60mph can do some serious damage to someone or something, so you want to buy the best electronics you can afford to make sure accidents don't happen.  I learned this the hard way with my first boat.  it was a 31 inch deep vee and instead of putting a good nicad (they didnt have lipos or nimh back then) in the boat to power the servos and reciever I went the cheap route and used the four cell AA battery holder that came with the radio.  Well running wide open the boat hit a small swell and it was enough to jar one of the AA batteries loose, so now the boat is haulin butt without me controlling it and it is headed straight towards a group of kids that are playing in the lake...  Thank GOD that at that same time my engine had sucked up a small paint chip up off the bottom of the boat and it siezed the engine!  I didnt mind replacing the piston and sleeve- can you imagin the damage that little boat would of done if it hit one of those kids....  Just some food for thought!

8MILLSNIPER007

The amount it is going to cost will depend on what you get, the QD mills will cost you a grand right there and then probally another grand once your all said and done, but their are better engines for alot less money.

mistycreekboats

My Feedback: (1)

Not really sure how a QD that sells for 1000.00 will cost u 2000.00 by the time in boat it's 1k with pipe

Lets compare Apples to Apples not a 4 hp to a 8 hp

In reality to make a K30 perform the same u are at the 1K (or pretty close)

K30 (340+) + ez start (35)+ plus hot pipe (180) + WY33 (150) Mods (200+)

You get what u pay - in long run what exactly do u save


The 26cc Quickdraw Pioneer with a modified WYK33 carburetor, any angle side pipe and silencer . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $1000.00 *cash price.
(*Cash means personal check, money order or cashiers check. Personal checks must clear before shipping. Call or email us for details.)
26cc RTR Engine Package, same as above, paid with chareg card or PayPal 1060.00

http://quickdrawengines.com/Page_204.html

8MILLSNIPER007

He asked how much it would cost to build the whole boat, I should of made my post more clear, QD. 1000.00, boat 350.00 running hardware ???, etc. etc. I have nothing against Quickdraw engines.
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rio 51 racer

Alright I might get a single qd .25 or k30 or duel 254 evos
Which will make me go the fastest

SS RC Boats

All depends on the set-up experience that the person with the boat has in order to go fast. Because there are 2 motors doesn't necessarily mean it will be fast. In our club we have a variety of boats (cat/mono) and engines (gas/nitro) from 48"-72" with single 25cc up to twin 29cc (twin 35cc max size). Sad to say that the single engine 28's/29's/30's are dominating due to the many twin engine boat owners not having as much experience when it comes to set-up. But the single engine guys have more experience/knowledge when it comes to set-up. When the twin engine guys do get it down them singles better watch out...but until than the singles will dominate!

8MILLSNIPER007

I think you are missing the point, the engine alone will not make you fast any of the above mentioned will make the phantom fly,but you have to prop the boat for the rpm curve your engine has and SETUP,SETUP,SETUP!!!! And then lots of practice will make you fast!!Of course you could always go with agas turbine, now that would befast!! I wish you the best of luck with your build Rio!!!