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Where are the 90/120s?

Old 04-09-2007, 09:37 AM
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Hi all. I have a question, but first let me give you a brief history:
I began flying RC in the early 70s. I had flown CL for years and maxed out with the .35 size CL models. So for my first RC I started with a .35 size model, the Sterling Fledgling. At the time .35 was the most popular size, with the 'large' planes going up to .60. Over the years I moved up progressively. I still flew my .35s, and bought some .40 engines, and one day I was finally able to afford the coveted .60. I put it in the original Ugly Stick. (or was it Stik?)
Planes kept growing and I kept changing jobs and finally finances improved enough for me to grow with the sport.
I liked the .60s, but I also liked the small fast airplanes, my favorite being the HOTs 35. Small, quick, maneuverable, but as I grew myself, increasingly hard to see. I knew, for me, the Hots was on its way out.
Many people were getting into Giant Scale Gas powered models. I wasn't ready to invest in a new inventory, but about this time I discovered the GP Supersportster 90/120. I got it, along with a YS 1.20, and fell in love. It was the perfect size (For Me) Large enough to see well, able to do maneuvers I could handle, and the 4 stroke sounded so sweet. I decided this is the size airplane I wanted to fly for the rest of my life.
I read they were about to quit making the Supersportster 90/120 so I bought another kit just so I would have it (in the slight chance I may crash my first one)

Well, about the time I crashed my first sportster, my job was keeping me busy and I laid off building and flying models for a few years.
I retired in 2006 and wanted to get back into the sport. Hurricane Rita had thrown water into my workshop while we were evacuated and my Sportster kit got wet, some of the wood was molded, but salvagable. I built a Slo Poke 40 to help me get back into flying, and then built the Super Sportster kit. It was good to be back.

I joined the local club and began to notice all the changes since I had been gone. They were talking about ARFs (dog barks?) and electrics. (they put those in airplanes?) and foamys (I didn't ask)
OK, I'm not that naive. I had been reading up on the hobby for a few years. In fact I bought my first ARF and electric, the Brio 10 and love it.
But my problem is; I still love the size and look of my Super Sportster, and want that type to be my main airplane. 2, the lifespan of any RC airplane is limited. if you fly it, something will happen. So I began looking for a replacement for my Super Sportster 120. What I found is they are few and far between. Most kits are ARF and scale. I have been and will always be a sport flyer. I am not concerned with how 'real' my airplanes look, as long as I like the way they fly. I don't fly pattern. I don't want to follow rules every time I fly, just go out and have fun. After 40 years and 18,000 hours flying full scale helicopters of all shapes and sizes, I have had enough of rigid rules and doing things by the book or by some FAA officials interpretation of 'the book'. (I am not referring to club or field rules, safety, and all that. I do follow those rules) I am talking about flying spur of the moment. fly the way I want to fly, so I want sports planes to do that.
I see the Super sportsters are ARF now, but guess what? They are small and electric, or Giant scale. Nothing my size.
I have looked up other airplanes online and found some 90/120 size and guess what? They don't make them anymore. they now have smaller versions. I have seen that happen to a lot of models. Some I would read about here in the forums and when I researched, they no longer make the 120 version. It seems on the whole the hobby is going in reverse. Of course they make the giants and all, but for the average sports flyer everything is shrinking. Where 60 to 90 size was the norm, and 120 size was the newest rage, we are now back to 30 to 40 size the norm, and smaller electrics the newest rage.
Where I would add extra epoxy in the tail and compensate with some lead weight in the nose and make up for it all with loud popping mufflerless 4 strokes, we are now drilling holes and worrying that adding an extra inch of covering may be too heavy. and yes, some modelers even complain of noise pollution.
OK, I'm not knocking electrics and lighter airplanes. I will be building and flying them soon too.
I can understand if I had been out of the sport 15 or 20 years things would change, but we are only talking a few years here and I had just gotten used to the ideas of my mid size 120 airplanes. Waaaaa.

Now I will make you mad. You could have avoided reading all that drivel above and just skipped down to my question.

Does anyone know of a good flying, and good looking, 90/120 size sport model still available either kit or ARF?

Thanks
Roy
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Roy, welcome to the future

Here are several that are excellent, maybe you'll see something you like (The list is both Kit and ARF)

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXLP41&P=0

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXJ570&P=SM

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXMRB8&P=0

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXEUN2&P=0

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXX399&P=0

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...1p?&I=SIGA5165

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXNBP5&P=0

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXLYN1&P=0

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXFGT1&P=0

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products...ProdID=HAN2325
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Thanks Mike for your research.
Yes, there are a couple there that I have been looking at. The Tiger has always interested me.
I have a 4 star 40 that I built and covered just before I stopped flying, just haven't put in the radios and engine. If I like the way that flies I may try the larger 4 star.
I will do more research on some of the others you linked. Seems to be a lot of biplanes that size, who knows I may try two wings. Have only flown one bipe, it too was an Ugly Stick bipe. Didn't fly too good.


I guess there are that size airplanes out there, I had just run into a number of models lately that sounded like what I would want, only to find they had been discontinued.

Also, I guess I was just in the mood to write.
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Roy,

We understand. My favorite kits are also gone. Make tracings of each item in your super sporster kit, and make copies of the plans. Its not hard at all to cut your own pcs. You can build as many sportsers as you want. The most difficult part may be coming up with canopies, but where there's a will there's a way.
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I built two 90-120 SS and if I build another, it will be bashed into a P-40...yes the SS was a great flying bird! Had an OS 1.08 on mine, both times.
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Does anyone know what year the SS 90/120 came out. I bought one around Christmas time in the late 80s but I am not sure what year, just that they had first come out. It has been sitting around built but not covered and I am working on that now. Despite being in the hobby for 36 years, it is the largest airplane I have ever built. You see them every now and then on Ebay. I got it on sale at the hobby shop for $96, that's about $170 in today's dollars.
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ORIGINAL: RoyR

Thanks Mike for your research.
Yes, there are a couple there that I have been looking at. The Tiger has always interested me.
I have a 4 star 40 that I built and covered just before I stopped flying, just haven't put in the radios and engine. If I like the way that flies I may try the larger 4 star.
I will do more research on some of the others you linked. Seems to be a lot of biplanes that size, who knows I may try two wings. Have only flown one bipe, it too was an Ugly Stick bipe. Didn't fly too good.


I guess there are that size airplanes out there, I had just run into a number of models lately that sounded like what I would want, only to find they had been discontinued.

Also, I guess I was just in the mood to write.

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First off, that was NOT a brief history. Too much coffe? I have been known to ramble on these forums. Sometimes, ya just want to talk, right?

You wanted a Super Sportster. Here it is:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXLYC5&P=0

Here is a 90-120 Warturd:
http://www.americanpioneerhobbies.co...120_scale.html

Ultimate Bipe:
http://www.americanpioneerhobbies.co...ate_scale.html

Super Chipmunk:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Supe...k_71build.html

Another Warturd:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/P-51...-51D-M_140.htm

Sport/Pattern:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Leo%...LeoF3A_110.htm

Yak:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Yak-54_72/Yak54_72.htm

Warturd:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Zero_71.htm

Katana:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Katana_72.htm

Warturd:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/P-51Mustang_68.htm

Warturd:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Spitfire_71.htm

Warturd:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Hellcat_70.htm

Edge 540:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Edge540_72.htm

Pattern:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Tsubame.htm

Warturd:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/P47Thunderbolt_71.htm

Pitts Bipe:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...GPittsP12.html

Another Pitts:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...ttsS2BARF.html

RV-4:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...es/GPRV-4.html

Speed Plane:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...ittleToni.html

PT-17 Stearman Bipe:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...7Stearman.html

Amphibian:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...GPSeawind.html

Cub:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...3Cub14ARF.html

Funtana:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...ntanaX100.html

Showtime:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...9Showtime.html

Warturd:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...underbolt.html

Warturd:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...51Mustang.html

Warturd:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...ssAmerica.html

Warturd:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...H9Corsair.html

3D plane:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...Frenzy100.html

Classic Monocoupe:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...Monocoupe.html

Laser 200:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...er200-120.html

Sport/Pattern:
http://ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=1469

Ultimate Bipe:
http://ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=1987

Pattern 90 size:
http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...p?ProductID=52
http://ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=31

Pattern 120 size:
http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...p?ProductID=51
http://ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=29

Pattern 120 size:
http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...?ProductID=114
http://ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=2445

60-90 Pattern:
http://www.aero-works.net/store/detail.aspx?ID=211

120 size Pattern:
http://www.aero-works.net/store/detail.aspx?ID=262

120 size Pattern:
http://www.aero-works.net/store/detail.aspx?ID=263

There is lots more 90-120 size ARFs and kits out there. Thats just a drop in the bucket. I had to chuckle when I read your post complaining of not being able to find any planes in that size. [sm=lol.gif] Didn't do a lot of research before ya posted that, did ya? [sm=tongue_smile.gif]

There's a zillion planes in that size. Let me know if you want to see anymore and I'll just forward my "Favorites" list from Internet Explorer to you via email. You just need to know where to look. They are available.
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I built 2 Super Sportster 90/120's. Excellent flying Planes! I currently have the Giant Super Sporster ARF which also flys very well. I have owned every size Sportser except for the 60 size, and I will be building one of those this fall since Great Planes has rereleased the kits. I would love to see them rerelease the SS 90/120 kit someday. I would also like to build the little 40 size Super Sportster Bipe someday if they ever reissue the kit. I see them on ebay every once in awhile, but they go to high. So to answer your question, I really can't think of a Plane that flys just like the Sportsters. Lots of good flying Planes out there, but the Super Sporsters kinda have a flying style of there own. Its kinda like asking what flys like a cub? Only a cub flys like a cub.
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I noticed that a 60 size plane is usually as big as you can get and have the whole thing fit in the back of a wagon or minivan. Any bigger and the wing has to go off. Perhaps it just lazy me - but I hate setting up and taking apart at the field - especially getting those tiny servo plugs into the receiver.
I have a Saito 125 and I now just fly 60 size planes with it - a lot easier to transport.
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ORIGINAL: Rcpilet

First off, that was NOT a brief history. Too much coffe? I have been known to ramble on these forums. Sometimes, ya just want to talk, right?

You wanted a Super Sportster. Here it is:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXLYC5&P=0

Here is a 90-120 Warturd:
http://www.americanpioneerhobbies.co...120_scale.html

Ultimate Bipe:
http://www.americanpioneerhobbies.co...ate_scale.html

Super Chipmunk:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Supe...k_71build.html

Another Warturd:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/P-51...-51D-M_140.htm

Sport/Pattern:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Leo%...LeoF3A_110.htm

Yak:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Yak-54_72/Yak54_72.htm

Warturd:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Zero_71.htm

Katana:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Katana_72.htm

Warturd:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/P-51Mustang_68.htm

Warturd:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Spitfire_71.htm

Warturd:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Hellcat_70.htm

Edge 540:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Edge540_72.htm

Pattern:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/Tsubame.htm

Warturd:
http://www.giantscaleplanes.com/P47Thunderbolt_71.htm

Pitts Bipe:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...GPittsP12.html

Another Pitts:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...ttsS2BARF.html

RV-4:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...es/GPRV-4.html

Speed Plane:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...ittleToni.html

PT-17 Stearman Bipe:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...7Stearman.html

Amphibian:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...GPSeawind.html

Cub:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...3Cub14ARF.html

Funtana:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...ntanaX100.html

Showtime:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...9Showtime.html

Warturd:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...underbolt.html

Warturd:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...51Mustang.html

Warturd:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...ssAmerica.html

Warturd:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...H9Corsair.html

3D plane:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...Frenzy100.html

Classic Monocoupe:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...Monocoupe.html

Laser 200:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/rcmsec/...er200-120.html

Sport/Pattern:
http://ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=1469

Ultimate Bipe:
http://ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=1987

Pattern 90 size:
http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...p?ProductID=52
http://ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=31

Pattern 120 size:
http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...p?ProductID=51
http://ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=29

Pattern 120 size:
http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...?ProductID=114
http://ecsvr.com/abm/shopexd.asp?id=2445

60-90 Pattern:
http://www.aero-works.net/store/detail.aspx?ID=211

120 size Pattern:
http://www.aero-works.net/store/detail.aspx?ID=262

120 size Pattern:
http://www.aero-works.net/store/detail.aspx?ID=263

There is lots more 90-120 size ARFs and kits out there. Thats just a drop in the bucket. I had to chuckle when I read your post complaining of not being able to find any planes in that size. [sm=lol.gif] Didn't do a lot of research before ya posted that, did ya? [sm=tongue_smile.gif]

There's a zillion planes in that size. Let me know if you want to see anymore and I'll just forward my "Favorites" list from Internet Explorer to you via email. You just need to know where to look. They are available.

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Default RE: Where are the 90/120s?

I understand that the 90/120 was discontinued due to the tail coming off in the air. This happened to two or our club members. With that in mind I built 2 of them and beefed up the tail. Both have YS 1.2s on them. I souped up the YS's with SC cylinder heads. Both really scream. Also, have a kit, just in case. I also have access to another one that was scratch built and another unopened kit. I think I will have one put in my grave with me....ha
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If you mean the Super Sportster 90/120 I think that the Giant Supersportser replaced it since it is IMAA legal at 82" and the 90/120 was not with a 72" wing span.
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Aero-works makes a really nice yac, it is a 90-120 size and also a quick build, no need for glue it is all done for you, also all of my planes after trying the hyde soft mount, i now have it on all of my planes and you would not believe the difference in the vibration, have not lost a muffler or had anything come loose since, there is a nice artical about merle hyde at central hobbies, check it out

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