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Old 05-02-2013, 02:24 PM
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what is better and more stable flybar or flybarless head? which is easier to maintain and what is cheaper? i am still unsure about what 600 size helicopter to buy still shopping around. i am just really confused if a trex 600 flybar or flybarless is the way to go please help! thanks
Old 05-03-2013, 06:09 AM
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Default RE: Flybar or Flybarless what is better??

Yes.

They are different, neither IMO is "better, or easier"

They both do the same thing.

FBL is a simpler mechancal setup with less parts but a more complicated electronic setup.

An FBL is more customizable because you can tweak settings in the radio or FBL setup versus mechanical tinkering.
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Because you are asking these questions I'm goingt o assume that you have very little experience flying heicopters, so I will answer this for a newbie. No disrespect intended.

Basically what BH said....

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what is better and more stable flybar or flybarless head?
With heavier paddles, a fb head can be as hands off as a fbl head. I've been able to trim fb helicopters to fly hands off for 20 or more seconds. With no wind that can be extended even further.

which is easier to maintain
Based on the number of parts alone, then fbl would be easier to maintain

and what is cheaper?
on a fbl head you end up with less parts, but then you have a fbl controller that will cost you some $$$. The good ones are over $150


i am just really confused if a trex 600 flybar or flybarless is the way to go please help! thanks
It really doesn't matter where you start. Get yourself an experienced pilot to help you thru the process and go at it. I DO NOT recommend that you try this alone. Frustration and disgust will drive you to the brink of insanity. I saw myself close to quitting several times when I was learning.

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Default RE: Flybar or Flybarless what is better??

Well i'm not as big a noob as you think i have been flying 450 size classes for about 5 years but i never ever really looked into flybarless i just passed it off and went on about my day, but now i am interested. so yes that is why i will ask nooby questions so i get straight forward answers. thanks for the replies i have a much better understanding now. tomorrow i am picking up a kds-600 v2 flybarless very excited! but now you've scarred me by saying the setup is very complicated and i shouldn't try it alone which is what i am doing. i hope i should be able to figure it out with the help of the internet, hopefully from experienced guys such as yourselves
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It's just different. Do it once and you'll be the local expert
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Default RE: Flybar or Flybarless what is better??

It is a complicated set-up compared to the somewhat easy set-up of a normal flybarrred helicopter with a heading hold gyro. If you know how to set-up a heading hold gyro, and read a pitch gauge, then the process is a little more involved (you are in fact programming 3 gyros) but not much different. Sorry if we made it sound too dramatic, but BarracudaHockey and I have been around the patch a few times, and we want to really encourage the use of experienced pilots around your area.

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I don't think doing a basic setup on a fbl is all that hard. There was a few things I was sure about when I did mine the first time with the beastx, but after watching a video it answered any questions I had. After I went through it once, it was easy after that. What I find to be a bit more difficult is doing the advance settings. Not understanding all of the dynamics can be challenging when playing around with advance settings. In the end, I find the FBL definitely worth it and you can tune them from beginner to hardcore 3D with nothing more than a few changes in the programming. One thing I highly suggest if or when you decide to go FBL, get a good unit. It really makes a difference and it will be something you can depend on and grow with. I looked at the heli you are talking about. Make sure you address static eletricity issues with it. Being a belt drive, static electricity can have very bad results with FBL helis. I have experienced it once and it was not a pretty sight. You can either use static guard or make a grounding mod for it. It is common for Logo's to use grounding mods.

One other thing, get a digital pitch gage. Get your 0 pitch set up and tracking should be good. Since going FBL, I have yet had to adjust tracking after doing my initial setup with a digital pitch gage.<br type="_moz" />
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Default RE: Flybar or Flybarless what is better??

helicraz..............I have a Dynam 450 Erazor......and wanted to use it for scale and FBL....so i gutted the stock tx and rx.....installed my Futaba 7C stuff.. and a Helicox TG1 3 axis gyro. I chose Helicox for ease of set up......no computer needed...has it's own programing box. I'm no expert, just a regular joe that loves scale.....and man, this thing works as advertised. I paid 119 for the first one....and 80 for another new one.

Just my 2 cents. :O)
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Default RE: Flybar or Flybarless what is better??

FBL

PROS: The heli is more stable, more powerful(depending on the fbl gyro and electronics used)
              It flies very similar to the sim.
              Less mechanical slop to deal with in the heli
             

Cons: You may need much more expensive electronics(esc,servos) etc
            Depending on the fbl gyro you use or trying to setup, it may be difficult to understand it. (watch youtube setup videos)

FB: PROS: you can get away with a cheap setup heli, buy a tail gyro(second hand spartan quark).
                    Most tail only gyros now days are going really cheap!!
                   

       Cons: The heli is not as stable or powerful as an FBL heli
                   SLOP SLOP SLOP, slop is a bad thing for an FB heli your level of control and stability is slowly getting compromised.
                   

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