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Old 09-08-2006, 01:55 PM
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Default Best esc (speed controller) no-matter the price!!!

can someone tell me what speed controller is the best, i dont care about the price, just tell me the best out of the best!!! i am using a flight power 11.4v 2150mah battery.

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They claim the Jazz is the about the best you can get. go here: http://www.rchover.com/inc/sdetail/423
That will give you a good description, check around for prices.
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The Kontronik Jazz from what others say.

Personally I really like my Castle Creations ESC's. They are made in the USA and they have been flawless for me.
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the jazz 40 will run 22 volts ! for 220Au its a bling speedy although i heard it needs a linear throttle curve or itll just run at 100% throttle ...

(high volt is choise the more volts the less amps it draws)

and its bec will run 4 hd servos with ease at 22 v

run what you have in batterys but you could
get 2 x 1200 3s1p flight power lipo's in series , and a mega brushless with an 8 tooth pinion and you got a cranking heli matey ..i hope you got an SE
the plastic blade grips would be unsafe at that head speed ...

nothing else i have seen compares in one unit , without going to a seperate bec+speedy combo ...

the thing is i feel sorry for the pilot , having to concentrate for 20-30 mins at a time ( untill the batterys are flat ) , doing constant 3d is just rediculous

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Old 09-09-2006, 06:27 AM
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6 cells on a small t-rex? Are you even going to find a small 400 size motor that won't cook it's self at 22 volts?
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There are several 400 size motors that will withstand 6S. Medusa Research, Neu etc. Anyway I can't see a good reason to do it. My Rex is plenty powerful for 3D flight on my 3S setup. Personally I would rather reduce weight to improve performance futher rather than increasing the cell count and really increasing the weight. That's sure what works on airplanes.
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Halving your amperage and doubling flight time , ??

LOL's you could use some really small batts if you want to save that much on weight...

cut and pasted from the model flight website...

[link=http://www.modelflight.com.au/rc_setups/setup_align_t-rex_power_insane.htm]model flight AU[/link]


For someone who wants the ultimate performance. As use in Simon's T-REX demo video.

MEGA ACn 16/15/6 - Speed 480 size Brushless 6T motor.Cells 6-14
No load Current (Amp) 1.70
Dimensions 24,1x47,5 mm
Weight w/cables 76g
Kv 3000
AU$129
US$89

[KON4421] Jazz 40-8-16 brushless controller
AU$207
US$139

[FPEVO12003S1P] FlightPower Evolution20 1200mAh 3s1p 11.1V. 20C constant discharge(24A) 30C Bursts(36A). Fully compatible with FlightPower Balancers. Perfect for smaller parkflyer models. Dimensions - 16mm x 30mm x 98mm Weight - 101g

2 Units AU$160 US$110


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You could also try the Quark 33. It has a lot of features (14, I think) that allow you to fine tune it to your liking.
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CC Phoenix 35, I run mine on 4 cell setup with Neu 11072y and 11t pinion and it's insane !!!
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i update my answer , CC HV45 !! man 50 volts , what i could do with that juice.
but you have to run it over 4+ lipo cells for it to switch on !!!

for slightly saner people , the jazz 40 is sweeet , with inbuilt bec for up to 6 celled lipo setups

then the CC HV45 is the leader for me...but it dosent have a bec , so you have to bring your own reciever supply for the CC-HV45


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Thats why I recommended the Jazz.
Only 2 user programmable settings for the heli.
The Jazz detects the motor requirements automatically.
The jazz has a built-in bec.
No computer link required.


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yes but can the jazz run 12 celled lipo , no ...

and a bec is around 16$ , im not to worried.

CC hv 45 , man all the way !!!!

same price , which way do you want to spend your moola?
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yes but can the jazz run 12 celled lipo , no ...

and a bec is around 16$ , im not to worried.

CC hv 45 , man all the way !!!!

same price , which way do you want to spend your moola?
Jason

My posts about the Jazz were not directed to you sir.
And you will not install a cc 45 on your heli with just a bec.
You will buy a cable so you can program it via your computer.
Now the price has gone up.
And You ain't putting a 12 cell lipo on your trex 450. I think you may have misread something somewhere.
And, according to the tests that have been performed on esc's, Jazz is first, cc and quark tie for second.


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no problem ,

And you will not install a cc 45 on your heli with just a bec.
-why not ?

You will buy a cable so you can program it via your computer.
-why buy a cable??? its nice to have usb conectivity as an EXTRA feature but , i have been programming my castles the old fashion way , stick wiggling ! ,


Now the price has gone up.
-price was the same retail last time i checked. but you could prob do better from ebay somewhere.


And You ain't putting a 12 cell lipo on your trex 450. I think you may have misread something somewhere.
-true , but buying the "best speedy" would have to have capability from 4 cell LIPO right up to 12 cell LIPO to be considered the best
and be good for what you have now and a future bigger E-heli.

And, according to the tests that have been performed on esc's, Jazz is first, cc and quark tie for second.
-Thats cool .

an extract from elsewhare on the net

"I plan on running this motor on an 8s-2100 PL setup (two 4s packs in series...),
which will spin it at a bit over 20,000 rpm.
In order to spin a 14-pole motor this fast,
you need to use a controller that can handle that kind of cummutation speed.
20,000 for 14 poles is like 140,000 for a 2-pole.

That's too much for a Jazz or a Schulze,

which both have limits of around 120,000 for a 2-pole.
The Hacker/Jeti Master series is good for 150,000 and
the CC Phx HV controllers are good to 200,000 for a 2-pole.

how good should 'The best Esc ' be ? , no matter the price ??? thats the post heading

i have a little 25 a! castle on a rex that has never let me down so i am willing to get another castle myself .
good to chat

peace
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Just to clarify.
Read the thread that you are putting the info into.
This is a T-rex thread, most commonly the 450 series.
The original post asked what the best esc was no matter the cost.
That would be the Jazz 40 it will handle 3, 4 or 5 cell lipos with no problem.
It is easier to set up.
The info you provided on that particular esc(if it is correct) would be better suited in a Trex 600 or bigger heli.
And I will repeat , I don't think you will be putting a 12 cell lipo on that esc or on a trex.
But if you do............post pics


Edit: I did a little checking for you oldschool go here for your batteries: http://www.deeteeenterprises.com/NS....ks.4900.FP.php
That will give you your 12 lipo batteries. Wired in series I believe will give you your 44.4 volts into your cc 45
Cost for the 2 battery combo will be 569.98
Total weight of the batteries will be 1504 grams
They only use 1 of these at a time on a T-rex 600


Good Day,
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Haha, you're not gonna get far with a 45 amp ESC in a .50 size electric.. . I would not buy one if you planned on going up to something like the t-rex 600's size. 80A should be your minimum for a .50 size bird if you want to throw it around in the air. 100A is preferable for the extra headroom.

The CC45HV might be high voltage, but it's not high amperage. It would be a waste on a small trex unless you plan to fly larger planes with the same ESC. You'll never run 50 volts in a t-rex 450. Even 4S is pushing it. 40A is plenty for the t-rex aslong as it supports up to 5 cells. "best" is, once again, relative to what you want and what you're flying.

The 45A will get a .30 size electric into the air aslong as you use higher voltage, but I wouldn't push it. I hear CC ESC's cook nicely if you come too close to their rated current capacity.
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Haha, you're not gonna get far with a 45 amp ESC in a .50 size electric.. . I would not buy one if you planned on going up to something like the t-rex 600's size. 80A should be your minimum for a .50 size bird if you want to throw it around in the air. 100A is preferable for the extra headroom.

The CC45HV might be high voltage, but it's not high amperage. It would be a waste on a small trex unless you plan to fly larger planes with the same ESC. You'll never run 50 volts in a t-rex 450. Even 4S is pushing it. 40A is plenty for the t-rex aslong as it supports up to 5 cells. "best" is, once again, relative to what you want and what you're flying.

The 45A will get a .30 size electric into the air aslong as you use higher voltage, but I wouldn't push it. I hear CC ESC's cook nicely if you come too close to their rated current capacity.

Thanks for the extra warning , credence

your spot on as usual , the castle 45 hv is for a 20 sized brushless bird, i would run the 85-110 controller on the 30/50 brushless helis, myself

but with the cc there isnt a little heli motor im aware of on the plannet that could take 12 lipos and not overspeed the motor in a big way ...

lol's oops i just realised im still in the 'little rex" forum , oops sorry

im off to the scratch built billet forum , later guys

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I would be happy to know how well the 430L and 25 or 35a Align gov mode ESC works with gov mode off. One thread says they are reliable and make plenty of power for the 450 Trex's and others say they are prone to failure. Maybe depends on who has a box of "bargain" ESC's to sell.

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The 35A Align ESC should work fine. I can't see the 25A one working though. I recall trying it and i'd only be able to hover for a minute or two before the ESC would cut out.

Personally I run a 40A ESC with my 430L and never had any problems. It's not Align though. It's "lexors". Just an ESC I had laying around from my eco-8.
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The 2a ESC is what bothers me. I have a 3 amp ESC on my Dragonfly 36 and it is not so famous for handling 4 micro servos and receiver power, probably because the heatsinking of it's mount would be tough on a 1 amp regulator. I suppose an Align 2a will be ok, but what about with HS56 servos ?

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The 35A Align ESC should work fine. I can't see the 25A one working though. I recall trying it and i'd only be able to hover for a minute or two before the ESC would cut out.

Personally I run a 40A ESC with my 430L and never had any problems. It's not Align though. It's "lexors". Just an ESC I had laying around from my eco-8.

YES , i wouldnt run an align 25 a esc on any motor , its a cheap get buy esc...

i fly my 25 a cc mild 3d on a well setup heli , and i dont have any problems ,

i could see how having too much pitch not enough head speed and poor collectuive control , with the wrong tooth on your bird all adding up to problems with an little align speedy. and possibly cutting out

its all in the setup

Jason

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