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RE: Funtana 90 and 3D Airplanes
Chuck, All great comments. All taken positively. High altitude is a real issue and not one easy to fix. Lower wing loaded models would really scare me from a structural integrity point of view. I'd be afraid that they would start coming apart in the air unless the pilot was very experienced and really took it easy on it.
Probably not the answer you want to hear, but 3D flying is always going to be less successful at higher altitudes.
m
Probably not the answer you want to hear, but 3D flying is always going to be less successful at higher altitudes.
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RE: Funtana 90 and 3D Airplanes
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Welcome !!!! I was surprised to not read anyone asking about the tip stall problems apparently inherit to the funtana 40 wing design and if it is also a problem in the 90 size. plane. As a 3D warrior I was terribly dissapointed in the airplane (being it is just so darn good looking). It was impossible to do an elevator , a harrier or even get it into a hover or any other high alpha move requiring more than a few degrees of elevator travel. I tried all the suggestions involving the elevator joiner, the CG, Lateral balance etc. Mine finally bit the dust upon snapping out too close to the ground. Please elaborate to your hearts content on this subject as there are many other dual taper airfoil designs that share this dangerous problem. Just one more note ; I rigged mine with HS- 225 mini`s lighter landing gear and a 46FX would take it verticle at 3/4 throttle. I agree that over powering these airplanes does not substitute for piloting skills. I am now totally delighted with my new Hanger 9 Twist and have been having a total riot with it also rigged for HS 225`s, 1/8" axels, foam wheels and a 46FX mounted just enough forward to avoid adding weight to the nose. Note this airplane is dangerous if it balances further back than the recommmended 5" aft CG. I am looking forward to your comments on the funtana problem as I have been ready to buy a funtana 90 but cannot waste the money unless I am convinced this problem has been solved or a reasonable solution has been found Fly On Dude Restlessrocks
Welcome !!!! I was surprised to not read anyone asking about the tip stall problems apparently inherit to the funtana 40 wing design and if it is also a problem in the 90 size. plane. As a 3D warrior I was terribly dissapointed in the airplane (being it is just so darn good looking). It was impossible to do an elevator , a harrier or even get it into a hover or any other high alpha move requiring more than a few degrees of elevator travel. I tried all the suggestions involving the elevator joiner, the CG, Lateral balance etc. Mine finally bit the dust upon snapping out too close to the ground. Please elaborate to your hearts content on this subject as there are many other dual taper airfoil designs that share this dangerous problem. Just one more note ; I rigged mine with HS- 225 mini`s lighter landing gear and a 46FX would take it verticle at 3/4 throttle. I agree that over powering these airplanes does not substitute for piloting skills. I am now totally delighted with my new Hanger 9 Twist and have been having a total riot with it also rigged for HS 225`s, 1/8" axels, foam wheels and a 46FX mounted just enough forward to avoid adding weight to the nose. Note this airplane is dangerous if it balances further back than the recommmended 5" aft CG. I am looking forward to your comments on the funtana problem as I have been ready to buy a funtana 90 but cannot waste the money unless I am convinced this problem has been solved or a reasonable solution has been found Fly On Dude Restlessrocks
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First, I'm glad you like the Twist. Thats always good to hear. I had never flown a Funtana 40 that wing wagged as bad as you describe. They did wing wag but not uncontrollably. Did you try spoilerons?
I can say that the 90 is much more stable. It has a very light and feathery feel in high alpha. I dont think wing rock is an issue with it as it is with the 40.
Another really excellent 3D airplane is the new Seagull Models Harrier 3D. Very solid in high alpha upright and inverted.
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I can say that the 90 is much more stable. It has a very light and feathery feel in high alpha. I dont think wing rock is an issue with it as it is with the 40.
Another really excellent 3D airplane is the new Seagull Models Harrier 3D. Very solid in high alpha upright and inverted.
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RE: Funtana 90 and 3D Airplanes
for a little bit of help on you problems on the 40 and 90 restlessrock you may want to do a curv mix on the plane say a snap spoilrons bothe the futaba 9C and 9Z and the JR8102 and the JR 10X are more than capable of doing it. simply use a curve mix so than when your elevator moves past 3/4 of its max travel rate the spoilerons snap up 25-30 degrees al the mauals elaborate on curve mixes and how to use them the 9C and the 10X are the easiest to do it with but it improves elevators to almost no wing rocking and harriers to solid flight lines works well on parachutes and walls too also make a switch so you can do inverted harriers so you will have them snap like flaperons but your inverted so their now spoilerons. Try thay and see it that dosent inprove your planes performance cause i simply find the funtana 90 and 40 to be the best 3D planes on the market for their size. i love them so much i want hanger 9 to make a bigger on. have fun
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RE: Funtana 90 and 3D Airplanes
Mike,
I have two gassers: one H9 330 1/3 and a DP 330 (28%). Although I have an above average car (Grand Cherokke), I fly the DP 3 times more, because of transportation. I think 80 inches is the best compromise in flying qualities and transportation easiness. Any chances to get a 50cc Funtana or similar model in the near future?
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I have two gassers: one H9 330 1/3 and a DP 330 (28%). Although I have an above average car (Grand Cherokke), I fly the DP 3 times more, because of transportation. I think 80 inches is the best compromise in flying qualities and transportation easiness. Any chances to get a 50cc Funtana or similar model in the near future?
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I vote for a 1.20 size glow power Ultimate bipe and a 50cc size Ultimate bipe. Take the 46% and shrink it down to these ranges.
Also Yak's of .90 size all the way up to 50cc or 80cc would be cool
Also Yak's of .90 size all the way up to 50cc or 80cc would be cool
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i think but simply having hanger 9 get the right to manufacture his funtana 140 on the sebart website would be a great idia. its 198 cm wing span max 160 4 stroke ok use a saito 150 or 180 with a removable elevator and plugin wings. to get it from him you have to pay 499 Eu thats almost 6 hundred in us money pluse 150 for international shipping who wants to pay that much fot just the plane. hanger 9 can make it for half that price.
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mike,
i am curently flying an old extra 330l H-9. I love this airplane it rocks a little in harrier but I think its because it is a little heavy I really have to get it right in the swet spot w/ throttle and elvator then it is nice. I am powering it w/ a 3w 100. I have flown all the H-9 1/3 scale planes so far and all of them are great flyers. I am waiting now for the edge and am goingto put my zdz 80 in it. H-9 has come a long way in the giant scale department, good Job! When I step up to 40% ers It would be nice to stick with light solid flying H-9 airplanes. Maybe a 40% extra 330s, that would be awesome.
i am curently flying an old extra 330l H-9. I love this airplane it rocks a little in harrier but I think its because it is a little heavy I really have to get it right in the swet spot w/ throttle and elvator then it is nice. I am powering it w/ a 3w 100. I have flown all the H-9 1/3 scale planes so far and all of them are great flyers. I am waiting now for the edge and am goingto put my zdz 80 in it. H-9 has come a long way in the giant scale department, good Job! When I step up to 40% ers It would be nice to stick with light solid flying H-9 airplanes. Maybe a 40% extra 330s, that would be awesome.
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RE: Funtana 90 and 3D Airplanes
Hi Mike,
What engine did you fly the Seagull Harrier with ?
Would a Saito 91 fly it 3D ?
There seems to be very little info available on this airplane.
thanks,
L
What engine did you fly the Seagull Harrier with ?
Would a Saito 91 fly it 3D ?
There seems to be very little info available on this airplane.
thanks,
L
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Seems to be a few comments abou the solid colored Caps we did a few years ago. What do you guys think about the solid colored models vs ARC models?
Mike
I like a solid covered model versus an ARC. The solid color lets me add the trim colors that I like. The ARC are great idea but require more time to cover the model, then apply a trim scheme. Bottom line for me is it takes less time to assemble an ARF when all I have to do is apply trim. In addition, I've found a lot of ARF's already have decals on the fuse and wing. It would be nice if the decals were included in the kit and the owner had the option to apply the decals.
If I'm going to take the time to cover a model, I'd rather purchase a kit and build it from the ground up..
Also, it would be great to see a 50cc 3d gasser with a two piece wing. 50cc seems to be a the perfect size for a lot of people. Not to large to transport in their vehicle and yet large enough that it looks good in the air.
Just my 2 cents
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Mike
I like a solid covered model versus an ARC. The solid color lets me add the trim colors that I like. The ARC are great idea but require more time to cover the model, then apply a trim scheme. Bottom line for me is it takes less time to assemble an ARF when all I have to do is apply trim. In addition, I've found a lot of ARF's already have decals on the fuse and wing. It would be nice if the decals were included in the kit and the owner had the option to apply the decals.
If I'm going to take the time to cover a model, I'd rather purchase a kit and build it from the ground up..
Also, it would be great to see a 50cc 3d gasser with a two piece wing. 50cc seems to be a the perfect size for a lot of people. Not to large to transport in their vehicle and yet large enough that it looks good in the air.
Just my 2 cents
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Great input. Seems like a lot of interest in 50cc size models. What 50cc engine(s) are you guys running, DA50?
Richard, you mentioned your DP Edge (or was it Extra, sorry?) either one, what engine are you using in it? What does the model weigh?
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Richard, you mentioned your DP Edge (or was it Extra, sorry?) either one, what engine are you using in it? What does the model weigh?
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Great input. Seems like a lot of interest in 50cc size models. What 50cc engine(s) are you guys running, DA50?
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Great input. Seems like a lot of interest in 50cc size models. What 50cc engine(s) are you guys running, DA50?
Mike
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RE: Funtana 90 and 3D Airplanes
how bout a remake of the edge 540 the 78 incher that was on of the best egdes i ever flew but this time do a pull-pull rudder and dule externaly mounted elevator servoes with a body that handles slow speeds better more wing surface area.
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RE: Funtana 90 and 3D Airplanes
Mike,
It's a DP Extra, weighting 6.8 kg (~15 pounds). I'm using a Kroma 45, turning a Zinger 22x6-10 @ 6600 rpm. Fantastic plane with more than 300 flights.
I think the 50cc plane are a sweet spot for "serious Sunday fliers":
Comparing to a 33%:
- Cost 50-60% less
- Much easier to transport and store
- Fly almost as good, in the hands of a good pilot. Probably for professionals, 40% is the minimum to a decent performance
Comparing to 120 glow:
- The 10 inches in wingspan put you in the "giant scale" league
- Reliability and operational cost of gas - payback in a few months of the initial cost
- Still fit in a SUV or SW without using the front seats
Based on my club sample, I haven't seen a 120+ new engine for a year (some new airframes replacing crashed ones), dozens of 50cc, a few 80-100cc and one 150cc.
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It's a DP Extra, weighting 6.8 kg (~15 pounds). I'm using a Kroma 45, turning a Zinger 22x6-10 @ 6600 rpm. Fantastic plane with more than 300 flights.
I think the 50cc plane are a sweet spot for "serious Sunday fliers":
Comparing to a 33%:
- Cost 50-60% less
- Much easier to transport and store
- Fly almost as good, in the hands of a good pilot. Probably for professionals, 40% is the minimum to a decent performance
Comparing to 120 glow:
- The 10 inches in wingspan put you in the "giant scale" league
- Reliability and operational cost of gas - payback in a few months of the initial cost
- Still fit in a SUV or SW without using the front seats
Based on my club sample, I haven't seen a 120+ new engine for a year (some new airframes replacing crashed ones), dozens of 50cc, a few 80-100cc and one 150cc.
Richard
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I have a request that applies to almost all ARFs:
Could the manufacturer please include some spare covering material in order for the owner to be able to make minor repairs to the covering. The cost for this must be almost negligible and I would gladly pay the extra cents if I knew that some extra covering material was included with the ARF. Half a sq.ft. of each color used on the aircraft would help immensely.
Often it is hard to determine which covering material has been used on the aircraft and then I have to purchase a whole roll of covering material in order to cover a couple of square inches.
/Red B.
Could the manufacturer please include some spare covering material in order for the owner to be able to make minor repairs to the covering. The cost for this must be almost negligible and I would gladly pay the extra cents if I knew that some extra covering material was included with the ARF. Half a sq.ft. of each color used on the aircraft would help immensely.
Often it is hard to determine which covering material has been used on the aircraft and then I have to purchase a whole roll of covering material in order to cover a couple of square inches.
/Red B.
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Good one Red, on some ARF's H9 included a strip to cover the center of the wing. It was always too long and the extra material always came in handy later on.
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Ill throw my 2 cents in here as well..
Mike I feel the 50cc and 1/4 scale market is doing well but there is alot left to be desired with many makes. I am pleased that you guys released the 90 sized Funtana and the price is almost impossible to beat. I plan on one for a Saito 100 I have.
My suggestions are the following:
1.20 sized Funtana for the Saito 180 or OS 1.60 ( I know, I said the O.S. word )
1.20 sized Giles, but with the all the kinks worked out (unlike the old GP version)
A Pitts made around the Saito 100, not too small or too big. I have always wanted a bipe but hated the small size most come in. On the other side the larger ones were and still are too expensive for my taste. Maybe even one in 1/4 scale trim so current Saito 180/ OS 1.60 owners could get into it fairly cheap.
so basically alot more 1/4 scale stuff is what I am getting at. The jump from 1/4 to 1/3 is too much for most fliers financially, size wise etc. Optionall pull/pull setups for rudders, weak points reinforcement, etc. would help as there seems to be a rash of problems with many planes coming out now
thanks for asking our opinions
matt
Mike I feel the 50cc and 1/4 scale market is doing well but there is alot left to be desired with many makes. I am pleased that you guys released the 90 sized Funtana and the price is almost impossible to beat. I plan on one for a Saito 100 I have.
My suggestions are the following:
1.20 sized Funtana for the Saito 180 or OS 1.60 ( I know, I said the O.S. word )
1.20 sized Giles, but with the all the kinks worked out (unlike the old GP version)
A Pitts made around the Saito 100, not too small or too big. I have always wanted a bipe but hated the small size most come in. On the other side the larger ones were and still are too expensive for my taste. Maybe even one in 1/4 scale trim so current Saito 180/ OS 1.60 owners could get into it fairly cheap.
so basically alot more 1/4 scale stuff is what I am getting at. The jump from 1/4 to 1/3 is too much for most fliers financially, size wise etc. Optionall pull/pull setups for rudders, weak points reinforcement, etc. would help as there seems to be a rash of problems with many planes coming out now
thanks for asking our opinions
matt
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RE: Funtana 90 and 3D Airplanes
Oops! I should have voted for 50cc ARFs here instead of the other thread.
Count another vote on the 50cc Funtana for me. I just bought a FuntanaS 90, and already I can't wait for a much larger one. If trademark or copyright is an issue, a "Katana" version would be just fine. I don't particularly care about the 3D aspects of it; I just really dig the wing root extensions.
Count another vote on the 50cc Funtana for me. I just bought a FuntanaS 90, and already I can't wait for a much larger one. If trademark or copyright is an issue, a "Katana" version would be just fine. I don't particularly care about the 3D aspects of it; I just really dig the wing root extensions.
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RE: Funtana 90 and 3D Airplanes
mike consider the fact that some of the people in this hobby cant afford that size of plane 50 cc is too much im only 16 and i can only spend a maximum of 1500 on a plane now if you can make a 50 cc for 350 let me know but their are more people who want 90-120 glow than cc here in florida if you had every rc 3D flyer in the US vote i gaurente more would want 90-120 sized planes you already have enought 50cc and you just realeased your edge 540 so try and make some 120-90 caps or edges or maby even a YAK to compeat with extreme aircraft.
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