MMcConville

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Havent flown the WH Extra, but I have flown a handful of other 50cc powered models. Just gathering input. Seems the usefulness of a can would depend on the size of model you go with. On a larger model like you describe, which is similar to the Comp ARF which I have fown, a pipe is a good idea, the extra power would be needed. On a smaller (approx 27%) airplane, maybe not. I have a Canister for a DA 50 in my hand right now that I just got from Desert. Seems a little heavy for some models that size.

AEROSHELDON

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Mike, can you share any plans for future planes? 50 and 100 cc are my areas of intrest.

BasinBum

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I don't think the can is even needed for the Wildhare. I've got the DA50 on a stock muffler swinging a bigger prop than I thought it needed (someone else set it up) and it pulls out of a hover at 1/2 throttle running break-in rich. Plenty of power but some like the quieter can.

The guy who set it up had firstbigplane-itis and put to much battery, regulator etc. It has some wing rock in harrier and the lighter it is the better I think it would do that manuver.

Mike,Ttanks for your open/honest response here and in the other thread, I'll respond a little more over there.

Flip and Fly

Here's my Midwest Exta 260, Ha, I purhased a kit and made some changes. ( after a crash) Same wing, raised it up like a 260 and moved the canopy forward, the fuse was stretched a little, carbon fiber gear, Brison 2.4, in cowl muffler, 14lbs, 3Ds very well.

H9 needs a 90 inch span version of this! 1400 sg in,( or more) and 16-17 lbs. What do you think Mike. 50 cc motors need a good home!

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MMcConville

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That looks pretty cool! What does it weigh? BTW, a 260 has straight landing gear not the curved ones like the 300s.

Flip and Fly

As said it weighs 14lbs. Flys very light and can pull out of a hover OK with the 2.4. The gear was ordered when it was still the Extra 300 xs. Nice flying plane as it was, however with the raised wing and fuse modifications it 3Ds even better but still has the smooth Extra 300 flying characteristics.

I would love to see one done in just a little larger, say 87-90inch span with a nice light 50cc motor. I am thinking of scratch building one using the dimensions of this one and scaling up. (thats if you guys at Hangar 9 won't) Would make a two piece wing though, and the proper gear in carbon fiber of course [sm=thumbup.gif] Throw in a carbon wing tube, keep it light, I am sure that 16lbs would be not hard to manage and it would fly closer to a 33% outfit. Maybe even as well!

Ok Mike, do it for us!

Stick2000

Hello Mike , are you still with us on this subject ?

Just don't want this thread to get buried until we get
a 50cc size plane from you !

Stick2K

MMcConville

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I'm with you.

BTW, weres a piece of infor I learned last night in my shop. Most of you may have already known this. The weight difference between the Slimline Pitts muffler for the DA-50 and the MTW cannister/header/coupler and liteply mount is only 4oz.

I would have thought it was a lot more.

BasinBum

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Well Mike if you are playing around with a DA50 in your shop I gotta imagine it won't be long till there's something on the drawing board.

GoeKeli

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We could only hope!
I know what you mean Mike., I have a pitts for the DA and the KS1060 pipe/header. THere is not much difference in weight but the noise level is drastic, BasinBum has the stock muffler and it is punishing up close.
I flew the comp-arf 2.3 all day and it was good! Nice piece of kit for sure!
I like the idea of an extra 260 scaled up a bit from the mid west as well. It sure is an attractive design.

Joe

Bill_Higgins

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Mike,

Having spent allot of time with the 140 sized EM Funtana (Finishing my second one now) I'd love to see a 50cc Funtana. Something with around an 84-86 inch span and a weight around 15 or 16lbs would be great. A pipe tunnel (open on the bottom or in-fuse) would be cool as well.

Bill Higgins Jr.

eddyc

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Correct me if I'm wrong Mike, but the 68" F90 scaled up to 84" would have a wing area of over 1650sq. If the weight could come in at 16-17lbs the 3d performance would be awesome! That gives a wing loading under 25oz/sqft which is unreal for a plane that size. Add airfoiled tail, pipe tunnel, give it a bit more knife edge and replace the transparent blue with solid and you got my money!

Doug Cronkhite

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How about a 50cc sized Tensor?

Hehehe.

Kevgofly

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Mike,
I'm all for this also. 1400 sq" 16 lbs (give or take) and definitely set up for can muffeler (I'll pay the 4 oz penalty). As for which plane, I'm all for something different. Doesn't need to be scale. I'd like a plane I can go for a quick trip to the field and be able to practice/work up a freestyle routine as well as fly through the sequence stuff. For this reason I say don't go for the Funtana with the goofy airfoil (which works great for what it's designed for). Chip's DV works great, but who wants to deal with 2 wings on a "quick trip to the field". Something like the Cuda, or even more pattern/artistic aerobat type. How did the Cap work out when you did it in solid colors (red, white or yellow). I would like that option, easy to trim out a plane in your own scheme, but how practicle is it from a marketing and production standpoint?

Kev

Buzzard Dave

Mike, i also agree, a 50cc size would be awsome!!
having read your other thread on the Carden Exra 260,

what about a 50cc size EXTRA 260?


or - how about a RAVEN?

David S. - Tampa, FL

JPrc

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I have to agree with dave, a 50cc 260 really lights a fire. I just boght a Dave Patrick 330 to run back and forth to the field without having to bring the trailer for some quick flights. I could easily be convinced to sell the 330 for a light H9 260...

MMcConville

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Do you have a 50cc in the DP 330?

JPrc

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Yes, I have a DA 50.

MMcConville

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What exhaust? What does it weigh? How does t fly withthe DA?

JPrc

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I have the slime line pitts exhaust. I have weighed everything on a digital scale and not been able to come up with a weight over 16lbs. I even added several oz to the final weight in case I over looked anything still under 16lbs. I have not flown the extra but I have flown the Dave Patrick edge several months ago. Up until that point I had never been a fan of the 50cc size plane but my buddies DP edge got me wanting something in that size real bad. With a fox 3.2 it jumped out of a hover and harriered nicely. It really surprised me how well it flew and at that point I had to have one. I have flown the WH edge that everyone raves about and it flies well but too heavy at 18lbs. The DP is a little smaller than some of the other 50cc sized arfs out there but it has a nice size wing (1220 sq in) wing area and weighs about 1.5-2lbs less than most stuff out there. If you could come out with something in this size with 1200-1300 sq in wing area and 16lbs or under I would definitely buy one. I also would not worry about a pipe tunnel, it adds weight and 99% of the people buying one would not run a pipe, why add the weight and the cost. How about a scaled down version of the sukhoi????? You don't see any out there and the 33% is an absolute blast to fly...Jonas

3D ONdaEDGE

I aint big on the 27%ers. I like the the 33 and 35% and i like the small ones like the EF baby yak and the H9 Funtana 90. But if you came out with a high quality 3D machine like a baby Suk or Extra 260, I might would have to invest in one of those. I agree with the WH planes being a touch heavy. The still fly great, but 1.5 lbs. off of one would make it a MONSTER. Also a bigger Funtana would be a kick too. I have enjoyed every H9 plane i have owned, especially the Sukhoi, so I would imagine that a 50cc aerobat would be just as impressive.

Shortman

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Extra 260 with 1400-1500 sq in of wing and weighs 15-16lbs RTF. That would sell[8D]

JPrc

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I think 1400-1500 sq in of wing area is pushing the limits of a 50cc motor. Extreme Flight has done this but look at the cost of the yak, $650. If H9 can build something with 1350 sq in wing area at 16lbs this would give a wing load of 27oz a sqft. I think everyone will agree that 16lbs on a DA 50/Brison 3.2/ZDZ 50/BME 50 is a great combination. H9 has set the standard for light affordable arfs in the 33% range. If they can build an aircraft that ACTUALLY weighs 16lbs with one of the above motors and around 1350 sq in wing area, I will buy one as soon as it comes out. Forget the tuned pipe business, that is a small group of people. There are tons of people out there looking for something to put there 50cc motor with stock mufflers to wear out.

AdrianM

I would like to see a F3A/AA/3D plane designed around a 50cc gasser. 2.25x2.25m would be about right. I agree that a pipe and canister in a 50cc are a bit heavy. I have always though planes should fly on thier wings not just on power alone. I'm sure you have all seen examples of nice planes with too much engine in them. They hover great but fly like crap due to high wing loadings.

The new H9 Edge is a great design. Light, low wing loading. If you can use the same building techniques in a 2.25m 50cc F3A/AA/3D you will have another winner.

IMAC planes are nice but a completely neutral flying F3A style design with AA/3D capabilities would be great.

Fastlif

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Mike,
I agree with most here, H9 really needs something in the 50 size, you have shown us you can make them light, and affordable. I myself will stay at 50 size for the cost and hauling them, and I am sure there are others out there in the same shoes as me.
I would look into the Yak 55 from Comp Arf, look into that as a "model" so to say, they are great for 3D and thats what everyone is going to, wants to do, or wants to try. All I can say is the Yak 54 looks pretty lame, jazz it up like the 55 and it looks and performs awesome. I cant afford one, but everytime I fly one, it makes me want to sell a kidney or something to get one. haha.
The pipe option is nice, runs quieter and nice power increase as well. If its there for an option, I think that is all you would need. As you know, you cant please everyone.
Katana/Funtana style would be nice as well. Can only speak for myself, but the 300/540 style/look has been pretty beat to death, if you do go that way, make it have some cool covering on it at least.

You make it, we will buy it. 50 size is in my eyes an awesome size, flies well enuf to love, and you can ring it out like you dont have 6-8k in it.
Thanks for listening.