Warbird Choices
01-31-2006, 03:03 PM
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Oh, I know how to make it work out. I just did not realize that You had to rebuild an ARF during assembly. I may be old, but I still pick up on that kind of thing very quickly.
01-31-2006, 08:16 PM
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To Mode One,
Not trying to make disparaging remarks, but no, the problems with this model were obviously not incurred in shipment. The broken longeron had glue (hot melt) in the break. The Belly pan was built warped. (glue still attached) and the firewall is attached using a very few small pieces of square stock. This is my first ARF and I do not profess to know that much about them. I decided to try one after looking at one closely. The one that I looked at in no way looked like the one that I purchased. So I have to assume that there is something going on here that requires someone's attention. Perhaps you are right in that I did not give Mike enough time to respond. He did so today. For any angst that this might have caused, I hereby apologize.
To Mode One,
Not trying to make disparaging remarks, but no, the problems with this model were obviously not incurred in shipment. The broken longeron had glue (hot melt) in the break. The Belly pan was built warped. (glue still attached) and the firewall is attached using a very few small pieces of square stock. This is my first ARF and I do not profess to know that much about them. I decided to try one after looking at one closely. The one that I looked at in no way looked like the one that I purchased. So I have to assume that there is something going on here that requires someone's attention. Perhaps you are right in that I did not give Mike enough time to respond. He did so today. For any angst that this might have caused, I hereby apologize.
Glad to see one of the "old guard" joining the ARF world. Welcome
01-31-2006, 08:20 PM
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RE: Warbird Choices
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Oh, I know how to make it work out. I just did not realize that You had to rebuild an ARF during assembly. I may be old, but I still pick up on that kind of thing very quickly.
Oh, I know how to make it work out. I just did not realize that You had to rebuild an ARF during assembly. I may be old, but I still pick up on that kind of thing very quickly.
Well said.
02-01-2006, 12:51 AM
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WOW!! Talk about a wake up call!![sm=sunsmiley.gif]
I don't remember seeing THAT level of customer support and willingness to stand behind ones product ever before. Very refreshing to find that in todays market place.
Makes me see Hanger 9 in a new, even more positive light.
VERY GOOD!![sm=thumbup.gif]
Ramon
I don't remember seeing THAT level of customer support and willingness to stand behind ones product ever before. Very refreshing to find that in todays market place.
Makes me see Hanger 9 in a new, even more positive light.
VERY GOOD!![sm=thumbup.gif]
Ramon
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Balsabandit,
Just getting back on the forum from the weekend here. I want to thank you for your input. I am sorry to here that some of our product did not meet your satisfaction and that there may have been some quality issues regarding your new Hangar 9 P-47 Thunderbolt 60 ARF. There truly is no excuse for any product of ours to be unsatisfactory to our customers. Fortunately, Horizon backs their entire H9 product line 100% from manufacturer’s defects.
I do know that we have had very good results with the P-47 Tso far, and I would like the opportunity to help make sure you are satisfied with yours. Feel free to contact me directly, and I can help walk you through the process to get the parts you need that were defective in your model. You did mention that you corrected some of the problems; however, if there is anything further I can do to help you, please contact me. I am confident that we will be able to get you safely and happily in the air.
I have also listed the Hangar 9 warranty information that is listed on page 5 of the manual for the P-47 Thunderbolt 60 ARF for your future reference:
Horizon Hobby, Inc. guarantees this kit to be free from defects in both material and workmanship at the date of purchase. This warranty does not cover any parts damaged by use or modification. In no case shall Horizon Hobby’s liability exceed the original cost of the purchased kit. Further, Horizon Hobby reserves the right to change or modify this warranty without notice. In that Horizon Hobby has no control over the final assembly or material used for the final assembly, no liability shall be assumed nor accepted for any damage of the final user-assembled product. By the act of using the product, the user accepts all resulting liability. Once assembly of the model has been started, you must contact Horizon Hobby, Inc. directly regarding any warranty question that you have. Please do not contact your local hobby shop regarding warranty issues, even if that is where you purchased it. This will enable Horizon to better answer your questions and provide service in the event that you may need any assistance. If the buyer is not prepared to accept the liability associated with the use of this product, the buyer is advised to return this kit immediately in new and unused condition to the place of purchase.
Horizon Hobby Service Department
4105 Fieldstone Road
Champaign, Illinois 61822
(217) 355-9511
horizonhobby.com
Thanks again for you support and please let me know if I can assist you any further.
My direct line at Horizon is (217) 403-3299 Don't heistate to call if you need my assistance!
Balsabandit,
Just getting back on the forum from the weekend here. I want to thank you for your input. I am sorry to here that some of our product did not meet your satisfaction and that there may have been some quality issues regarding your new Hangar 9 P-47 Thunderbolt 60 ARF. There truly is no excuse for any product of ours to be unsatisfactory to our customers. Fortunately, Horizon backs their entire H9 product line 100% from manufacturer’s defects.
I do know that we have had very good results with the P-47 Tso far, and I would like the opportunity to help make sure you are satisfied with yours. Feel free to contact me directly, and I can help walk you through the process to get the parts you need that were defective in your model. You did mention that you corrected some of the problems; however, if there is anything further I can do to help you, please contact me. I am confident that we will be able to get you safely and happily in the air.
I have also listed the Hangar 9 warranty information that is listed on page 5 of the manual for the P-47 Thunderbolt 60 ARF for your future reference:
Horizon Hobby, Inc. guarantees this kit to be free from defects in both material and workmanship at the date of purchase. This warranty does not cover any parts damaged by use or modification. In no case shall Horizon Hobby’s liability exceed the original cost of the purchased kit. Further, Horizon Hobby reserves the right to change or modify this warranty without notice. In that Horizon Hobby has no control over the final assembly or material used for the final assembly, no liability shall be assumed nor accepted for any damage of the final user-assembled product. By the act of using the product, the user accepts all resulting liability. Once assembly of the model has been started, you must contact Horizon Hobby, Inc. directly regarding any warranty question that you have. Please do not contact your local hobby shop regarding warranty issues, even if that is where you purchased it. This will enable Horizon to better answer your questions and provide service in the event that you may need any assistance. If the buyer is not prepared to accept the liability associated with the use of this product, the buyer is advised to return this kit immediately in new and unused condition to the place of purchase.
Horizon Hobby Service Department
4105 Fieldstone Road
Champaign, Illinois 61822
(217) 355-9511
horizonhobby.com
Thanks again for you support and please let me know if I can assist you any further.
My direct line at Horizon is (217) 403-3299 Don't heistate to call if you need my assistance!
02-01-2006, 09:23 AM
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RE: Warbird Choices
Have you ever heard a guy who builds his plane blast himself here on RCU saying what a lousy job of building he did ?
Where's that pole to vote on ?
Did I mention a Typhoon would be nice ?
Where's that pole to vote on ?
Did I mention a Typhoon would be nice ?
02-01-2006, 03:10 PM
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RE: Warbird Choices
Well after reading the back posts on this thread I can see the H-9 job of selecting another plane for their warbird collection isn't easy. While we are in the 'ideal' mode, I understand they must also consider the potential market for a new offering. (Oh well, back to reality for me...) When ever I wanted a rare or diferent bird I just built one, but here we're talking ARFs.
SO, here's trusting H-9 will give us another winner. Mike and Mike, thanks for asking. This thread is pretty interesting so far.
I also agree with the guys wanting gassers, those wanting non-gassers, and those thinking about electrics. (See, my face thingie works too.) Lets see, has anybody said anything about jets yet?
SO, here's trusting H-9 will give us another winner. Mike and Mike, thanks for asking. This thread is pretty interesting so far.
I also agree with the guys wanting gassers, those wanting non-gassers, and those thinking about electrics.
(See, my face thingie works too.) Lets see, has anybody said anything about jets yet?
02-01-2006, 04:36 PM
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I don't know. A nice size (say 60-90 size) A-10 warthog ducted fan model would be pretty sweeeeet!
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Jets are for kids...[:-]
Jets are for kids...[:-]
02-02-2006, 12:24 AM
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RE: Warbird Choices
Hello Mike. Greetings from Sydney. I am a HUGE fan of Hangar-9 and Horizon Hobby (just ask Matt S. and Pete R. in Customer Service). I have been wailing at these guys for ages, to tell the Product Development Team at Hangar-9 to develop an all-out, top-line .60 or larger (gas?) 'Spitfire'. Why? Well, as you know, the 'Spitfire' is arguably the greatest fighter of WWII, if not the most beautiful design. Sure, the P-51 is a awesome machine, but to a LOT of people, the 'Spitfire' is the most intriguing and complex aircraft. From it's famous wings to it's multitude of variants, I am sure that a high-quality, fully featured large size ARF from Hangar-9 will be an instant "must have" among all RC enthusiasts, not just 'warbird' fans. An even bigger incenstive is that, currently, there are NO top quality, correct looking 'Spitfire' ARF's on the market. Sure, there are several "wannabe" versions available from he 'cheap' suppliers, but nothing from a USA based company that would naturally have the quality are correct scale 'look' that true warbird fans expect from Hangar-9. I currently over a dozen Hangar-9/Horizon Hobby aircraft, including the 'Texan', the .60 P-51, the 'Corsair' and have just ordered the new Piper Cub 'PNP'. PLEASE, as you have asked the question of us consumers, PLEASE consider the 'Spitfire' and bring my dream to fruition!
Kindest regards,
TC in Sydney.
Kindest regards,
TC in Sydney.
02-02-2006, 12:29 PM
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Has anyone asked for another 1/4 scale Cub in L-4 colors?!?!?!?!?!
DD
Has anyone asked for another 1/4 scale Cub in L-4 colors?!?!?!?!?!
DD
02-02-2006, 09:38 PM
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In support of H9, I've stripped and glassed two of their Mustang 1.50's and found nothing but very nice wood work and good solid construction. I've had two of the 60 size P-51's and a Corsair and they were nicely done as well, only the covering on the P-51 had seperation problems.
Balsa, you must have gotten the Friday afternoon build or the UPS Go-rilla gave it a toss !
Mike/s - glad to know you are really listening to us, still think you should do a pole ! That'll get us really going
Cheers,
S1
In support of H9, I've stripped and glassed two of their Mustang 1.50's and found nothing but very nice wood work and good solid construction. I've had two of the 60 size P-51's and a Corsair and they were nicely done as well, only the covering on the P-51 had seperation problems.
Balsa, you must have gotten the Friday afternoon build or the UPS Go-rilla gave it a toss !
Mike/s - glad to know you are really listening to us, still think you should do a pole ! That'll get us really going
Cheers,
S1
02-03-2006, 08:57 PM
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Hey Balsa, Don't buy any more H-9 products I don't think the thread can handle it. To Mike and Mike, I have a hanger full of your products and every time I bring a new one home and open the box, I am more impressed. As for your customer service it is exceptional. I am a service member in Iraq, and this past August I was home on midtour leave.
While home my father bought a twist for my birthday. This particular airframe had a couple broken wing ribs. I was short on time and anxious to fly. We called the customer service line, and explained the situation. The rep that answered the call made an exeption to policy due to my situation. Being that I was only an hour drive away, we drove to
horizon, and got a 1 for 1 exchange on the wing. Now if thats not service I don't know what is. If you make a T-28 I'll give atleast two a home, By the way I'd love some flaps.
Thanks for asking
John T.
While home my father bought a twist for my birthday. This particular airframe had a couple broken wing ribs. I was short on time and anxious to fly. We called the customer service line, and explained the situation. The rep that answered the call made an exeption to policy due to my situation. Being that I was only an hour drive away, we drove to
horizon, and got a 1 for 1 exchange on the wing. Now if thats not service I don't know what is. If you make a T-28 I'll give atleast two a home, By the way I'd love some flaps.
Thanks for asking
John T.
02-03-2006, 10:03 PM
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Okay, Okay, Sorry Guys... I'm over my mad fit now. I think that this .60 size P-47 is actually gonna be a good flyer. I do have a question though... I hear that this bird requires up to 5 oz of lead in the nose. I have never liked to put dead weight into a model. I always like useable weight like heavier (stronger) batteries or going to a larger engine. I do know how to practice throttle management. (This ain't my first or even my 100th airplane). In your opinion, will the airframe handle the OS 120 powerplant? I think that this would get the CG pretty close to the mark without having to steal the wheel weights from my neighbors Corvette.[8D] They do stick on and make for an easy supply (naw, I don't steal em' I just go to the tire store and they will give you a few) How bout it Mike (either one) Hope all is forgiven. If you build a nice reasonable size Tony, or Zeke I would probably try one of them. This ARF thing could get to be habit forming.
Bill
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02-04-2006, 12:10 AM
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After seeing the Flying Styro KI61 fly I cant help but BEG once again that you decision makers
seriously consider a .60 sized variant of the KI-61 or the KI-100.
I really think it would be a winner.
seriously consider a .60 sized variant of the KI-61 or the KI-100.
I really think it would be a winner.
02-04-2006, 01:30 AM
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Another option that hasn't been mentioned too much is the F-82 Twin Mustang. From what I've read, they do pretty well in model form. You could dust off the 1.50 Mustang tooling & save development cost, and bump the wingspan above that magic 80" number you guys missed the first time around.
PBY-5A Catalina might be cool, but probably wouldn't sell well enough to be worth it.
A large ARF B-25 might do OK,
or even an electric ARF B-17 or B-24. Too many engines to be nitro burners. Maybe that's a better E-Flite or ParkZone project.
It's tough to vote for airplanes that Great Planes did recently that died, like their Stuka and Dr.1, but I do like both of those airplanes.
David
PBY-5A Catalina might be cool, but probably wouldn't sell well enough to be worth it.
A large ARF B-25 might do OK,
or even an electric ARF B-17 or B-24. Too many engines to be nitro burners. Maybe that's a better E-Flite or ParkZone project.
It's tough to vote for airplanes that Great Planes did recently that died, like their Stuka and Dr.1, but I do like both of those airplanes.
David
02-04-2006, 07:33 AM
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I am a service member in Iraq, and this past August I was home on midtour leave.
I am a service member in Iraq, and this past August I was home on midtour leave.
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BB,
I removed the covering and glassed them to make a great airframe look even better, the panel lines and access hatches really look nice. The RAF paint scheme even better. The covering on the 60 size was a problem that I believe was fixed by H9, in fact if you bought a roll of ultracote for the kit you built it would have had similar problems.
As for being a builder, I'll bet you F*cked up a time or two, but I suppose you won't be here telling everyone about that.
Here's a pic of my uuuuggghh, hmmmm, kit built planes, and a pair of kitbashed arfs, I'll let you the expert figure which is which. The nice thing about this hobby is I can enjoy it anyway I want and you can do the same.
As for myself, I'll continue to take a chance in between spending all the hours and hours in the shop building one of my kits or all the time at my day job to slap and arf together and go fly.
Cheers,
S1
Ok, now my "mad fit" is over too.....
I removed the covering and glassed them to make a great airframe look even better, the panel lines and access hatches really look nice. The RAF paint scheme even better. The covering on the 60 size was a problem that I believe was fixed by H9, in fact if you bought a roll of ultracote for the kit you built it would have had similar problems.
As for being a builder, I'll bet you F*cked up a time or two, but I suppose you won't be here telling everyone about that.
Here's a pic of my uuuuggghh, hmmmm, kit built planes, and a pair of kitbashed arfs, I'll let you the expert figure which is which. The nice thing about this hobby is I can enjoy it anyway I want and you can do the same.
As for myself, I'll continue to take a chance in between spending all the hours and hours in the shop building one of my kits or all the time at my day job to slap and arf together and go fly.
Cheers,
S1
Ok, now my "mad fit" is over too.....
02-04-2006, 03:33 PM
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[sm=lol.gif] Yeah that's the 60 sizer, amazing what a little paint and glass work will do......man those open bays were a pain to glass over...
The Mustang is a Ziroli, the T-bolt a Modeltech and the Tiger is scratch built [sm=spinnyeyes.gif]
Cheers
The Mustang is a Ziroli, the T-bolt a Modeltech and the Tiger is scratch built [sm=spinnyeyes.gif]
Cheers
02-05-2006, 10:14 AM
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BB,
I removed the covering and glassed them to make a great airframe look even better, the panel lines and access hatches really look nice. The RAF paint scheme even better. The covering on the 60 size was a problem that I believe was fixed by H9, in fact if you bought a roll of ultracote for the kit you built it would have had similar problems.
As for being a builder, I'll bet you F*cked up a time or two, but I suppose you won't be here telling everyone about that.
Here's a pic of my uuuuggghh, hmmmm, kit built planes, and a pair of kitbashed arfs, I'll let you the expert figure which is which. The nice thing about this hobby is I can enjoy it anyway I want and you can do the same.
Once again, someone has misread the point that I was trying to make. Yes, I've F*ked up a time or twelve, and more than what I see on the ARF's. One major difference. They were my screw-ups, and not what I had paid for someone else to do correctly. Maybe that is the entire point. and perhaps my signature should be: No thanks, I can screw it up myself.
As for myself, I'll continue to take a chance in between spending all the hours and hours in the shop building one of my kits or all the time at my day job to slap and arf together and go fly.
Cheers,
S1
Ok, now my "mad fit" is over too.....
BB,
I removed the covering and glassed them to make a great airframe look even better, the panel lines and access hatches really look nice. The RAF paint scheme even better. The covering on the 60 size was a problem that I believe was fixed by H9, in fact if you bought a roll of ultracote for the kit you built it would have had similar problems.
As for being a builder, I'll bet you F*cked up a time or two, but I suppose you won't be here telling everyone about that.
Here's a pic of my uuuuggghh, hmmmm, kit built planes, and a pair of kitbashed arfs, I'll let you the expert figure which is which. The nice thing about this hobby is I can enjoy it anyway I want and you can do the same.
Once again, someone has misread the point that I was trying to make. Yes, I've F*ked up a time or twelve, and more than what I see on the ARF's. One major difference. They were my screw-ups, and not what I had paid for someone else to do correctly. Maybe that is the entire point. and perhaps my signature should be: No thanks, I can screw it up myself.
As for myself, I'll continue to take a chance in between spending all the hours and hours in the shop building one of my kits or all the time at my day job to slap and arf together and go fly.
Cheers,
S1
Ok, now my "mad fit" is over too.....
02-06-2006, 10:05 AM
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Balsabandit,
I'm using a Saito 1.25 in my H9 P-47 and it handles it just fine.
Just remember that there is a throttle to use.
I fly around at 1/2 power most of the time unless I want to extend an upline.
I had to add no ballast for weight and balance BTW.
Heres another potential option for a new ARF Warbird.
The Mitsubishi J2M.
I'm using a Saito 1.25 in my H9 P-47 and it handles it just fine.
Just remember that there is a throttle to use.
I fly around at 1/2 power most of the time unless I want to extend an upline.
I had to add no ballast for weight and balance BTW.
Heres another potential option for a new ARF Warbird.
The Mitsubishi J2M.
