Tipover

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Mike,

What’s your opinion of using a single 8611, 8711 or a HS 7955 inside servo per wing on this aircraft? I see the Horizon completion guide now lists a single 8711 per wing and one on rudder. Wondering if that is an official recommendation or a typo?

Kevin

krayzc-RCU

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I run mine with one 5955 on every surface (1).

arobatx

I'm curious, folks that are running just one servo, on one designed for two...are you stiffening the ailerons to help prevent flutter? I also recall Dick Hanson going over some experimentation on this topic, and finding that driving the large ailerons with just one servo, but in the outer servo bays actually helped prevent flutter better...or maybe my memory is beginning to fade...any thoughts?

Tipover

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Outer bay? That’s interesting. I guess in theory there is more load out at the tip end. Have any idea what thread Dick H was discussing that in?

I know plenty of folks are doing single aileron servo's on the 33 percenters, I was just hoping Mike would chime in and give his opinion on whether the Cap structure (as designed) is up to it. I suppose its one of those iffy trick questions.

Kevin

krayzc-RCU

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I did not stiffen the aileron on this model as its already stiff. the caps wings are not that big i have other smaller birds and their wings are like the same size with my EF Yak ailerons being large than the Caps aileron. Again it does help that its stiff (the cap aileron). then the second thing would be if helps if you are past the give it a lot of gas and bank and yak it days I did a full throttle test on mine on the 1st 5 flights or less to ensure it would stay together, never plan to do that again but now I can safely tell u or anyone this works. '

Also in the below pic is a H-9 Ultimate which is cut for 2 ailerons servo and its working great on one 5955 on the inboard hole. I did not have to figure this one out myself. I just bought the kit a year or so ago and that is what RCU was already doing. The kit called for 2-8103 powered servos (90oz each) at a minium.

Tipover

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krayzc- Thanks for the information, I was not ignoring your previous post.

Got another question for you if you don't mind. Did you end up putting 1degree of up thrust in your motor in order to get the plane to hover without holding constant up elevator input?

Thanks

Kevin

MMcConville

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You should be fine with one servo on aileron as long as its an adequate servo, i.e metal gears, 180 oz in or more torque. As always, throttle manage properly.

Yes you do want the upthrust in the Cap. If you leave it out it will not tack well on uplines or in a hover.

Hope this helps. Have fun with it.

Tipover

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Mike,

Many thanks

Kevin

krayzc-RCU

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Tipover,

I did put the upthrust in the cap. I tired it first with out it and the uplines pulled towards the wheels and make the 4 points rolls very ugly. Now i have more upthrust in there and the up lines are sweet. Mine came in under 22 lbs its the 2nd re-release version so I was very happy with that weight, i am using a DA 85 on a 26B Vess. Love this bird and that DA motor......

Tipover

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krayzc, Good to know. If I can get this close the first time it’ll save me some work re-aliening the cowl later. So, you suppose you have about 1 degree up?

I have the re-issue coming to my local hobby shop. Older 3W 78 going it, so mine won’t be quite as light as yours. Should be no worse than the GT 80 they recommend.

Kevin

krayzc-RCU

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i added more up thrust from what was in the orginal design very little but more
i added more right thrust to the design. very little but more

I run mixes on R-A very liltte maybe a -2
R-E ver little maybe -3 or -4
and T-E for down lines about a -1 or -2 at the most at the very last click on the throttle for straight down, down lines.

mine is balance were it requires just a small touch on the stick to fly inverted at half throttle (about a 6 3/4 to 7" cg using the root of the wings)

Tipover

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krayzc, thanks again for the help.

Kevin

dag46

Hi,wanted to know if a JR XP6102 would be an adequate radio
for the plane(Hanger 9 1/3 CAP232 single aileron servo)?
Dave

MMcConville

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You can certainly use the JR 6102 in a moel like the Cap (1 or 2 aileron servos). Just be sure you are using a receiver and batteries that are suitable for a GS model.

dag46

Thanks. Mike

Tipover

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Mike,

Would you recommend the inboard or outside servo location with single aileron servo's? The Cap ailerons are constant cord and I'm thinking there is more flight load closer to the tip?

Kevin

arobatx

This has been discussed before, and Dick Hanson experimented with this. I believe his result was similar, that using the outter bay for single servo operation, offered better flutter control than using the inboard one....but I would love the refresher on this topic as well.

Just realized that I posted nearly this same thing already further up the thread.... perhaps this bump will get more input.

krayzc-RCU

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i can tell you that the inboard is working for me tested on the 1st flight by doing 2 full throttle lines on a 26A vess I will never do that again. you are talking about watching the cap go at least 80-100 miles per hour with 65 mph up lines also. Now that I know it will be safe to fly around others i will do the usually of 1/2 throttle lines and 3/4 throttle up lines with a lineer throttle mix.....[8D] on a DA-85 (that thing is a beast)

arobatx

How are the ailerons on the different 33% H9 models? I have the older Extra 330L, and the older Sukhoi as well...both have fairly flexible ailerons, the Extra couldn't do 1 aileron per half without flutter, flying moderately, it has two each and matchboxes now. I'm just getting around to flying the Sukhoi, and now I've been thinking about stiffening the ailerons on both planes to assist with some of the issue. Are the ailerons on the Cap contructed similarly...do they seem stiff or flexible?

krayzc-RCU

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mine are pretty stiff and the wings are not much larger than my EF Yak. A Cap is a small plane anyway like a Ultimate.....you can see that from previous posted pics....

kmac425

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Hey guys, just picked this Cap up. Got here today! Awesome looking. I've got a ZDZ 80 twin that is going in it.

My question is how do I know I have the re-released edition? It's lighter than the original design? I'm looking to be as light as possible and have some good CF to help. Plus the ZDZ is a 4lb motor which will help. Also anyone ran this combo before? I seen where other guys had the ZDZ 80 single in this plane but haven't heard of the twin. Thanks.

Kmac

Tipover

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I think the original run of this ARF had die-cut parts, at least the wing ribs. Horizon sent me out a replacement set of wings(because my originals had damage) and the ribs were all die-cut, those wings also ended up going back because of defects. Finally got a good set now.

If your wood parts all look laser cut you should have the newer version. I think this plane has been kicking around close to 10 years now? must be a good flier.

Kevin

krayzc-RCU

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Oh Yeah!

kmac425

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Cool thanks. Looks like it is all lazer cut. I must have the latest edition. I really like the looks of the ARF. The ZDZ is to wide to fit without hacking the cowl all up. I'm pissed!!!! I've got the engine for trade or sale on here. I guess I'm going to go with the DA 85 or ZDZ super 80. Anyone ever try the MT Engines 80cc single? Or is that thing to new yet? I may have to be a guinea pig for that cheap ass price tag. Anyone here have experience with ANY of MT engines products?

Thanks,

kmac