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Old 03-05-2007, 01:04 PM
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That looks great, nice work!
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Took these pics today. The owner was ground testing engines and doing taxi testing. I stayed for one taxi test. Sounded great with all four engines running. It would not make the turn at the end of the taxiway, the nose wheel just pushed ahead. Could have been a CG problem, I dunno. Paint job looked great.
KMot

What engines are used?

Did he have fixed landing gear?

Thank...

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Old 03-05-2007, 09:57 PM
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Mine is coming along I simply asked my local Hobby Shop Nice Twice hobbies in Las Vegas to order the kit and within a week it was in stock. At the Hobby People store in Las Vegas they have one in stock just sitting on the shelf I saw it Friday. I think my Hobby Shop has a high priority due to the level of bulk sales and this store has the most amount of products parts etc, than anywhere that I have seen in the country. I recently purchased the DX-7 Radio just for this project and I hope it is as good as advertised. If the door functions as well as I hope it does then I will post some detailed pics. As soon as This C-130 is ready to go I will post pics of test flight day. As far as glow setups I never considered them, because the flight duration and the reliability of the electric motors and the Thunder Power battery packs. I am not worried about having to keep four glow motors happy.

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Old 03-05-2007, 10:06 PM
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KMot

What engines are used?

Don't know, other than 2-strokes.

Did he have fixed landing gear?

Don't know, he never lifted it off the ground while I was there.

Thank...

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Old 03-06-2007, 07:03 PM
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If the door functions as well as I hope it does then I will post some detailed pics. As soon as This C-130 is ready to go I will post pics of test flight day. As far as glow setups I never considered them, because the flight duration and the reliability of the electric motors and the Thunder Power battery packs. I am not worried about having to keep four glow motors happy.

P. Richards aka Swat Team
Thanks for the info, P. I just called my shop after I read your note and guess what, mine was shipped to them, should be there by tomorrow but the retracts should be there by Friday--I'll pick it up this weekend I suppose.

I'm not a real fan of electrics, but that's me. I'm a glow, gas, kerosene (turbine) kind of guy.

Please do give up your works on the door even if it does not function as you want it to.

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Old 03-14-2007, 01:08 PM
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Hey 130 guys,
I fly everything from turbines to glow but have recently ventured into my first electric project. I have been flying a 72" C-160 Transall weighing around 10 lbs.with two Axi 2820s with good performance success. The sounds from these motors and props produce scale turbo prop sounds and are very reliable with no tuning /fuel/cleanup effort. I plan on using four Axi 2820s for the C-130 I received yesterday. I found my first electric project to be very simple and easy to get into as the on line vendors have very good glow engine to electric complete systems cross match up conversion references. After looking through the arf kit and reading some of the recent post I can see a little creative R& D will be necessary to make this aircraft more functional. Swithed over to all Spektrum and love it. I am looking forward to sharing with you our developments. I hate that cost mutiplier, x4.

Anybody going to be at the Joe Nall in SC this 2007 ?
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Old 03-14-2007, 04:59 PM
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Gman, what up?

What flava is your F-15? Mine is Yellow Aircraft with a 36lb SimJet Nexus. Haven’t started building it yet, just now getting all the plumbing: Power Box w/twin 4300 mAh Lipos; JR 8711/8611 & Hitec servos; tamjets smoke; bla, bla, bla—you know what I’m talking about. The freakin’ servos alone cost $1500. The bird has everything: operational canopy; speed brake; wheel brakes; retracts; full scale pilot and cockpit; bla, bla. Oh, did I say I bought a 12Z just for it? I’m a JR man but I needed more than the 10 chn that JR offers.

I intend to add an 18oz tank toward the nose—do you have three or more tanks—from whom and where are they located inside?

Don’t want to bore you so this is all you get [8D]

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Old 03-15-2007, 09:05 PM
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I looked at the Globalhobby website and it says taht the fuselage is carbon reinforced.... I have read most of this thread and have come to the conclusion that it is plastic.... is this correct? If it is the fuse that is plastic... no way will I buy one.... if it is the nacelles then it is a different story... what is the deal with this plane... god bad or ugly?
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Old 03-16-2007, 04:44 AM
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Hi,

The Fuz is a plastic skin with ply formers and carbon rods as stringers. This is my first experience of this sort of construction, and I have to say it seems to wok just fine. The quality of the ARF overall is another story.

So far I have returned & exchanged:
1)the fuselage (due to cracks, poor quality joining on the halves, poor paintwork),
2) the nose leg and retract (very sloppy)
3) one wing pylon / tank (poor finish, visible use of filler which wqas cracking and falling out)

I've also experienced a variety of construction niggles and problems. The locknuts are all either contaminated with glue or poorly threaded, which has resulted in some severe difficulties in assembly. As for the nose gear doors, the supplied mechanism just does not work reliably. I'm starting from scratch there.


Its a shame because I feel that for any company to undertake such an ambitious ARF model commercially is commendable, and by the time you've bought the model and retracts you've spent 500 pounds (nearly $1000 US)- its not a cheap model. Thats before your fitted 9 servos and four engines, etc.

Having got this one together, I could'nt reccomend it on its quality. I just hope it flies better than it builds, although I am a little concerned about the wing loading numbers. I have not worked them out, but an 8 kilo bird on those wings seems high to me. I'll certainly be keeping the speed up on approach.

If anyone has any flying tips (especially for electric herc's) I'd live to read them here....
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blairsparrow... now that is the kind of review I needed to hear. Thanks for the heads up on all of the faults.
Thanks
Bill R.
Old 03-16-2007, 02:43 PM
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C130 nut- no problem. I hope other builders agree with me or alternatively have not had the same problem, but I doubt it. In fact the problems with the nose retract door setup have been noted by others on this forum.

I dont regret buying the ASM C130, but the quality of the ARF is not up to the same standard as a Hanger 9 or Great Planes ARF. I've built many models from Kit and from scratch, and I know how long that takes. Its just annoying to spend out for an ARF, onl to then spend a lot of time dealing with faults, returns, etc.

All the best.
Old 03-22-2007, 12:41 PM
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Yep, a Yellow F15 with a 28lb AMTUSA Pegasus. All the same stuff works on this one. Came out at about 28pounds dry. Flys ok. Typical F15 turns require more elevator than some jets. Flaps work great on this bird with no trim changes when slowed to flap speeds. Yellow gear and brakes work great. Careful on rough surface grass landings and take offs as the nose gear has a designed weak pin in the top of the strut to break before it breaks the bulkhead. You have to hit it hard to break it. I went with the open flow through with a FOD screen on the turbine. makes more noise and sounds awesome. Bought this one in the box from Gary Dye out of Mission ,Tx. Gary assembled one of the first 15's wrote the assem. man. and did the pics cd for the yellow F-15. He is currently doing the same on their new F22. I just purchased a Peggy Sue for one when he is done with the R&D. Got any tech questions let me know and I can get an answer for you from Gary. Nice scheme on yours. Looks like most of it is built already.? Let me know how she flys.

Was using a JR10X but I recently lost a couple of nice aircraft to interference in the same spot at our very nice fying field. Was using all SPCM stuff dual bats and back up, dual switches. One fly away and one rolled over and looped itself into tha ground on final. That grounded the 15 until the new Spektrum JR module and receivers get here. I am currently using the Spektrum DX7 Systems in my heli's and fixed wing batic planes now and think it is the safest and best way to protect my investments. Makes cents.



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Old 03-22-2007, 08:36 PM
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Beautiful 15s!!!
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Meanwhile, back in the C-130 forum..... (just kidding- beatiful f-15's. My next project, with any luck).

My ASM C130 is now fully assembled and in testing. The four electric engines ran together in taxi tests for the first time today, and its a great sound. I balance the props thoroughly, but the supplied spinners run a little off balance, but this helps the throbbing effect that four engines generate. Theres always one that is noticably more "throbby" than the others, but I love it!

While taxi and power tests only, there is definately no shortage of power with Axi 2826/12's on APC 12 x 8 thin props. Accelleration is very quick.

I ended up building a battery tray in the fuz just forward of the main gear bay to take the LiPo's for the outer pair of engines. This was to achieve the required CG (no lead allowed in my models if at all possible) and also to reduce the weight of the outer nacelles. This is to reduce stress on the spar, and the likelyhood of failure in one of my heavier landings on my less-than-perfect grass strip.

Flight testing will await the arival of the next batch of Specktrum DX7's. With all those servo extensions I'd rather not risk loosing the bird until these arrive. Anyway, the nose gear leg and retract is horrible, and needs a lot more work before it can fly.

Any electric Herc pilots out there?
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Gman

I’ve a whole bunch of Qs for you—will send you a private msg. Qs at this time:

- Is yours the Kit—mine is the ARF (I just don’t have time nor the room for a kit—I’ve had mine since Jan and I still haven’t done a thing)
- On my canopy, the rear has built in covering—yours makes it easier to get to the equip
- Your engine cover has latches, mine has two long wires holds it in
- So tell me what all do you have on the board behind the pilot—even the area hidden in the fuse

Many thanks...

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Blairsparro

I still have mine in the box—this seems to be thing: buy planes just to leave them in the box [&:]

Tell me, what do you plan to do about the nose gear retract? I read in here that someone used one from Goldberg. I went to their Web and saw nothing for the C-130—I asked them in an email—no reply.

When I start building mine, I don’t want to be held up by that problem—it would just piss me off more than I am now just by knowing the nose gear is a problem—you know what I’m saying?

Did you glue ply strips inside the fuse where it is flimsily? That’s my plan unless you or other has a better idea. I can see it now, unfortunately having a hard landing and the entire fuse breaks in half [>:]

As for the Yellow Aircraft F-15 Turbine—I love it and its still in the box

Mr DJ
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Hi guys,got my asm c-130.my buddy got his too. we are going with gms 32 and was wanting to know what size and brand 3 blade would be best,thinking a ms 9-6 3 blade? all help walcome thanks randy
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Hi guys,got my asm c-130.my buddy got his too. we are going with gms 32 and was wanting to know what size and brand 3 blade would be best,thinking a ms 9-6 3 blade? all help walcome thanks randy I think maybe 8-6 or 8-7 3 blade
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Hey Mr DJ,

Re C130 nose gear.
I dont know what I'm going to do with it yet, other than exchange the retract and nose gear for a new one that is hopeully less sloppy. The nose gear door actuator is held to the nose leg by a spring wrapped around the leg. Its too flimsy.

One evening I'm going to draw the whole thing on AutoCAD and see if theres a more acurate configuration. Only problem is that I dont have a lot of build time available in the coming months, so I might just remove the nose gear door for now. I have not yet installed the main gear doors for the same reason. With any luck someone else might have figured it out and shared the info here.

On the subject of the F-15's.....

I am thinking about a first turbine. The baby boomerang sems popular as a turbine trainer, but I've heard that the F15 is a very stable first turbine platform too. I know which one looks better. Would any of you F15 jocks care to share your thoughts on the matter here?
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Hi guys,got my asm c-130.my buddy got his too. we are going with gms 32 and was wanting to know what size and brand 3 blade would be best,thinking a ms 9-6 3 blade? all help walcome thanks randy I think maybe 8-6 or 8-7 3 blade

Randy M

I think there are two C-130 forums going on in here. On one of them, folks say that 2-strokes will vibrate the heck out of the nacelles eventually leading to problems and/or disaster. Also, 2-strokes will load up fuel continuously being inverted—another unnecessary headache.

I’m going with OS .40 4-strokes. I measured all areas—they will fit. The engine mounts are adjustable, so if you push them to the far right and left before tightening the socket head bolts to the firewall, they will fit just fine. The only thing is the head will protrude maybe by 10mm so you’ll have to cut a hole for that—no biggy—better cooling for the engines anyways.

Since I’m using the .40s, I will be trying APC 9x6 4-blade—yes, 4-blade. If not enough umff (power), I have 2-blades standing by. But for the 3-blade, yes, 9x6 are what I think you should go with. I have them on order also.

Mr DJ
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thank you for your input.i was looking at the specs for gms 32 it says 9-6or 9-7 2 blade, so dont you go 1 down on dia. and same on pitch or go 1 up on pitch?that would be a 8-6 or 8-7 3 blade. very confussing not knowing how 32 will fly plane and how to prop for best all around performance.thanks
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Randy M

After flying this morning, I had a change of mind--since I already possess 4 new OS .25 2-stroke, I'm gonna go with them and save me 4 x $180 on the OS .40s and 4 x $8 on the 4-bladed props. Even though they may load up by being inverted and vibrate like hell--the money outweighed them. Besides, I'm not too happy with the bird being made out of plastic, so why pour in more money.

Ok, to the blades: 2 going to 3--reduce the size by 1 and keep or even increase the pitch by 1. 10x7 2-blade equals 9x7 or 9x8 3-blade. As for 2-blades on 2 and 4-strokes--see below:

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Engine Size 2-Stroke -----------------------------------------------4-Stroke
.049-.051 5.5x4, 5.5x4.5, 6x3, 6x3.5, 6x4 -----------------------------N/A
.09 -.10 7x4, 7x5, 7x6 ------------------------------------------------N/A
.15 7x6, 8x4, 8x5, 8x6, 8x7 ----------------------------------------- N/A
.20 -.25 8x6, 8x7, 9x4, 9x5 ------------------------------------------ 9x4,9x5,9x6,9x7
.29 -.35 9x6, 9x7, 9x8, 9.5x6, 10x4, 10x5, 10x6 ---------------------- 9x6, 9x7, 10x4, 10x6
.40 9.5x6, 10x4, 10x5, 10x6, 10x8, 10x9 ---------------------------- 11x6,12x6
.45 -.50 10x8, 10x9, 11x4, 11x5, 11x6, 11x7, 11x7.5 ----------------- 10x7.5, 11x6, 12x5, 12x6 (2-blade), 9x7 (3-blade)
.60 11x5, 11x6, 11x7, 11x7.5, 11x8, 11x9 ----------------------------11x8,11x9,12x6,13x6
.71 -.80 12x6, 12x8, 13x6, 13x8, 13x10, 14x8---------------------------Sport: 11x8, 11x9, 12x7, 12x8, 12.5x6; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Scale: 13.8x8, 14x7, 15x6, 16x6; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-Blade: 11x7

.90 13x6, 13x8, 13x10, 14x6, 14x8 -----------------------------------11x9,12x8,14x6
1.08 14x8, 14x10, 15x8, 16x6---------------------------------------- N/A
1.20 14x8, 15x8, 16x6 -----------------------------------------------14x8,15x8,15x10,16x8
1.5 16x8, 16x10, 18x6, 18x8 ----------------------------------------16x8
1.8 18x8, 18x10, 20x6, 20x8 ----------------------------------------N/A
2.1 20x8, 20x10 ----------------------------------------------------N/A
2.7 -3.0 22x8, 22x10, 22x12, 24x8, 24x10, 24x12 ------------------- 18x10, 20x19

(These are not my words but expertly written):

What do the numbers mean?

The first number is the prop diameter. The second number is the prop pitch. This is the theoretical distance that the prop would move forward if rotated one revolution. If you were to mount your prop on a shaft and submerse it in jello, you could see this in action... A 10x6 prop is 10" in diameter, and in theory, the prop will move forward 6" in one revolution. The pitch can be thought of similar to the transmission in your car. A low pitch (like on a 10x4) is like low gear on your car--lower speed, but more power. A high pitch is more like a high gear--higher speed, but it takes longer to get to top speed, and you may lose power on the verticals.

Propeller Rules of Thumb

First, for two blade props, the "load" the prop will give the engine is approximately the diameter times pitch. For example, a 9x7 (load factor of 63) prop will approximately load the engine the same as a 10x6 (load factor of 60).

Second, to move to three blade props and maintain the same load, drop one inch in diameter.

Third, a larger prop with lower pitch will provide more thrust but lower top end speed. A smaller prop with high pitch will speed the plane up on the horizontal, but the thrust will be reduced. Think of a helicopter prop--they have a huge diameter, but a low pitch for maximum thrust, but they travel at low speeds.

Fourth, the fewer the blades, the more efficient the prop is. Sure, four bladed props look cool on your scale plane, but they are inefficient, especially in the RPM ranges that our models run. It is very popular in the racing circles to run single bladed props. YES! Single blades--they actually balance them with a lead weight.

Note that all of the different brands of propellers have different efficiencies and characteristics. For smaller planes (17" and under), APC seems to be the best by quite a bit. They have a good stiff blade that is very efficient. With the larger planes & props, downline braking is a factor to consider. Because of this, the wider blades are popular.

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Thank for for your input,that is alot of info. As for you going 2 strokes that was our reasoning also . price and weight savings.It has been my experience that 4 strokes load up badly on idle inverted. i have had many 2 strokes inverted and they ran fine.I hope to strart assby. monday night-wed night.going out of town thrus - sun. but will hit it hardthe next week and hope to finish then. I read were they say to have two throttles,I have flown a b-17 many years with all engines on one channel and sync togeter with no problems,what is so different about this? Thanks Randy
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Here's the link to the other C-130 Forum: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_5137095/tm.htm
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Was thinking of picking up a 130 arf..but after figuring up the cost..I choked.
Here is what I figure minimum for a decent flyer.

c-130 arf - $449
retract - $359
o.s. 32 4x - $496 (cheaper than 4 magnum 30 fs)
8 - med servos (hs-645mg) - $280
receiver - $99
battery/switch/servo extentions/y-cords - $60
misc glue/hardware - $40

TOTAL- $1783

I guess if you have 4 matched engine and lots of old servos you could save some bucks, but that is a huge amount of
money for one plane.
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