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Old 01-13-2007, 10:40 PM
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Default C-119 Flying Boxcar ARF

A new ARF on the market. Looked really nice! Designed for two .25 two strokes.
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Old 01-14-2007, 12:26 AM
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How about a little more info, like who makes it? Thanks
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Old 01-14-2007, 12:43 AM
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Default RE: C-119 Flying Boxcar ARF

According to the brochure it is sitting on it is a Flyboys Model...couldn't find a website for them.....
Old 01-14-2007, 12:58 AM
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According to the flyer I got:

Wingspan: 1500mm - 59"
Length: 1150mm - 45.2"
Engine: 2C - 25 size
Radio: 4 channel, 8 servos

Website: www.flyboymodels.com
E-mail: flyboymodels@sbcglobal.net
Old 01-14-2007, 01:09 AM
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Default RE: C-119 Flying Boxcar ARF

Thanks for the info
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Old 01-14-2007, 10:38 AM
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Default RE: C-119 Flying Boxcar ARF

To bad it isn't 75 or 80 in ws.
Old 01-14-2007, 11:19 AM
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Default RE: C-119 Flying Boxcar ARF

Yea but I still like it. I have always wanted one but there is not even a good kit or a good set of plans out there. Palmer is the only one that has plans and I have read there are problems with those.
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Old 01-14-2007, 11:44 AM
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I have wondered why there have not been kits for the C-119. Many years ago, probably after some accidents, I read that Einsteine once proved mathematically that the C-119 cannot fly. I realize this is a rediculouse statement. I never really believed that statemnet but it has caused me wonder over the years. As a paratrooper in the mid 50's I made many jumps from the C-119. The rumor was that it had the glide path of a brick. The engines were the biggest on the market and everything on the plane vibrated tremendously. Frequently it was a pleasure to jump away from that monster. During a mass jump in the early 50's (think) one plane had one engine stop and could not hold altitude. This is with just 43 people aboard. (Most full scale twins are rated to hold altitude on one engine)The plane lost altitude and plowed thru a formation of paratroopers in their chutes, killing many of them. I don't remember if the plane crashed. This is probably how the Einstein rumor got started. In short, a scale C-119 may be a very poor flier.
Old 01-14-2007, 01:36 PM
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I had never heard that, I spent 26 years as a loadmaster on C-130s and they will fly with good with 1 engine out even loaded with cargo but you lose a second one (it has 4 engines) and your in trouble especially if both are on the same side unless you are empty. It doesn't glide well either.
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Old 01-14-2007, 02:04 PM
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Default RE: C-119 Flying Boxcar ARF

Villa, that is lousy. The pilot should have turned away somehow.
Old 01-15-2007, 12:10 AM
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The feds pulled the airworthyness certificates on the 119's after several inflight structural breakups and yes they like most twins are a dissaster on one engine. Some operators even tried installing a jet engine on the top of the fues.
Old 01-15-2007, 12:19 AM
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Default RE: C-119 Flying Boxcar ARF

Wait a minute.. What other plane can you crash in the middle of the desert, then take one of the booms, weld the other wing half to it and fly the boom back to salvation!! Come on am I the only one who saw Flight of the Phoenix.

But really I've always like the look of this plane and have wanted the model for a while but unfortunately this one seems to be a little small and not very scale. However it may not be anything retracts and 40ft in the air couldn't cure.

btw am I the only one who is blown away by all of the new and various types of arfs available today???
Old 01-16-2007, 09:08 PM
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Hay Guys,
Has anyone seen the kit yet? Is it all balsa or something else. I would like to know. I worked, while in collage, at Stewart-Davis in Long Beach, California. This company stuck J-34's on the top of the fuse to aid in take off at gross weight. The same company also did a twin J-34 instilation and it looked like a twin jet pod off of a B-47. The aircraft flew well and while up in Alaska, saw one of the converted C-119's land and load up in Seward...then take off with one huge load on board. So the model just may be a good flyer...but before I commit to buy...I would love to know more about the kt.

Soft landings always,
Bobby of Maui
Old 01-16-2007, 09:13 PM
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One more thing about the C-119...
I was able to speak to several pilots that flew this aircraft...and to the man, all stated it vibrated like crazy. I'm not a C-119 expert...just that I had the pleasure of doing a plug change on one while working at Steward-Davis, and seeing one operate up in Alaska.

I sent the company an e-mail requesting more information on the kit. If they respond...I'll let you all know what they say. I asked questions about construction, flaps, retracts ect.

Soft landings always,
Bobby of maui
Old 01-16-2007, 11:04 PM
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http://www.strategic-air-command.com...ing_boxcar.htm
I thought the nacelles looked a bit stretched on the model. Must be a last series run with turbo-prop.
Fond childhood memories when our house was along the Richard-Gebauer AFB flight path. Didn't even have to look up to know it was a threesome formation of C119's. Guess they wanted at least one left to give exact locations of the crash sites.
Old 01-17-2007, 12:23 AM
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Default RE: C-119 Flying Boxcar ARF

How about a recover as an AC-119K Stinger? [>:]
















Yeah, I want this model airplane.
Old 01-17-2007, 04:53 AM
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Hay Kmot,
I believe the C-119 gun ships went by the call sign of "Shadow" in Sout East Asia. I was able to work with them several times while flying in Viet Nam. Awesome report off of these birds while delivering a full broadside...even while flying Huey gun ships, brain pots on and all, and all the racket those infernal rotating machines made. At night they would drop flares that would light up the country side like it was noon in Dodge City. They could plow the ground...and as they flew their circles...I would be down low, looking for targets...doing my best to give charlie a hard time.

All the C-119's I saw in Viet Nam where painted dark camo or black in the gun ship configeration.

I have yet reveived an e-mail answer from flyboymodels.com.

Soft landings always,
Bobby of Maui
Old 01-17-2007, 09:02 AM
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I got the opportunity to ride a C-119 when I was a Cadet in the Civil Air Patrol. We were going to summer encampment at Seward AFB in Tennessee. The flight was from Smith Field, in Fort wayne, IN. to Seward AFB, TN. It wasn't all that long of a flight, but one to remember, especially for a kid 15 years old.

I had ridden in C-123B's before (later would be a loadmaster on one). Be this was a lot different. We approached the aircraft from the rear, walking up the ramp through the clam shell doors. The smell of hydraulic fliud was very strong. The interior has lines, wires and cables running all over the place. Both side on the plane had fold-down web strap seats with traditional military style seat belts. We carried out duffle bags into the cargo hold and the loadmaster instructed us where to pile them. we were free to roam around the cargo hold until time to depart. Everything in the plane was worn badly as though it had been neglected. I remember the "bathroom facilities"...not a pleasant place.....no one used it during the flight either and for good reason! We were allowed to look into the flight deck, but not allowed to climb the steps to enter it.

The aircraft skin seemed to have a lot of small patches over what appeared to be small arms fire holes. This old bird had seen action in her lifetime, but this was going to be a cakewalk for the old lady! The loadmaster instructed us to be seated and strap in. He came arouind and checked every passenger with interest. He couldn't help but notice the wide-eyed enthusiasm of his young guests. I remembered the noise and vibrations in the C-123's, but this was way more intense. As the engines coughed and belched to life with clouds of blue smoke billowing out the exhaust pipes. Once the engines are running and excess fuel and oil cleared out, you would have thought the smoke would stop coming out of the exhaust, but it didn't on one of the engines. It was apparent this was a tired old bird. The noise was deafening, even while taxiing.

As we reached the run-up area, the pilots were going through their checklists. The engines roared to life as he ran them up to RPM. The plane shook and the brakes were groaning under the stress of holding the plane back. That smoke belching engine was blowing even more now! We weren't concerned because we knew that we were in the hands of professional military pilots....they knew what they were doing (we hoped). As the plane taxied onto the runway the engines throbbed as they were out of sync. The pilot began his takeoff roll. The sound and vibration was so intense, but we weren't picking up much speed. Ever so slowly we bagan accelerating and accelerating. Finally the nose pitched up slightly as we trudged along the runway. I was used to the C-123's getting off the ground quickly...this old bird was dragging her feet, I thought! With a thump of the landing gear reaching the end of there oleo struts, we left the ground. I watched the main gear as it retracted into the boom. We were airborne and climbing, not fast, but climbing. We had to be close to gross weight, maybe even above it a little. When we attained cruising altitude (I estimated at 3500 feet), the loadmaster allowed us to roam the cargo bay. Thinking back, we had to driving the pilots nuts trying to keep the plane's trim level as we moved around....LOL.

I'm not sure how much oil that one engine consumed during our flight, but it had to be considerable. You could see the smoke trail behind the aircraft. The rest of the flight was uneventful. As we approached Seward AFB, the loadmaster instructed us to strap in. The sound of the engines picking up RPM as the pilot as he decreased the manifild pressure and prop pitch during the descent. The flaps slowly extending. The main gear doors opened and the long main gear struts slowly coming out of their resting places. With a noticable thump, the gear locked down. As the pilot lined up on final approach, we could hear the engines as he jockeyed throttles to maintain the correct approach angle and airspeed. When the plane passed over the threshold, the engines suddenly idled back just as we touched down. This old plane slowed down about as quickly as it accelerated. The brakes groaned and the whole thing shook. We had reached our destination in what I would call "style", as only a C-119 could deliver! After the pilot shut down the engines, the loadmaster told us to get up and grab our duffle bags......with the whine of the hydraulic pump opening the clam shell doors, we exited down the ramp onto the tarmac with the blistering heat of the Tennessee summer hitting us in the face......MAN, WHAT A RUSH THAT WAS!
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I realize this didn't have anything to do with the model, but I seldom have a chance to relate this story to anyone who really cares about the C-119's It was the olny time I ever got to ride in a C-119, but I'll never forget it. The C-123's are a different story ....I lived in one of those for awhile...LOL

Rod
Old 01-17-2007, 12:27 PM
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Rod: I THOROUGHLY enjoyed reading your first hand account of your ride in the C-119!!! You must be a writer, because this could be the preface to a novel as far as I'm concerned.
Old 01-17-2007, 12:31 PM
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Bob, here is a page that describes the differences between the Shadow and the Stinger:

http://www.hurlburt.af.mil/basewide/...19/index.shtml
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Hay Kmot,
Thats a great web site for the C-119's.

What I remember so vividly from my time working with the C-119 gun ships was when they called on UHF, when arriving on station...(and it never changed and never varied), "Shadow Here." That's all they said and then began to deliver their presents for the bad guys.

Heli_Rod...great story .

Soft landings always,
Bobby of Maui
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Wait a minute.. What other plane can you crash in the middle of the desert, then take one of the booms, weld the other wing half to it and fly the boom back to salvation!! Come on am I the only one who saw Flight of the Phoenix.
Another interesting piece of C-119 trivia....In the original movie "Flight of the Phoenix", I think in 1965, the stunt pilot was killed in a crash of the converted boom/wing design. The skids dug into the sand causing it to flip. The movie was delayed while it was redesigned and repaired.

Rod
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Rod:

The pilot was Paul Mantz, he was killed while doing a "Filler" shot that was neither needed nor used. A great loss. It was a bad wind gust that got him, the skid dragging was secondary.

Mantz' biography, if you can find it, is "Hollywood Pilot." I think Don Dwiggins wtote it, not sure on that one. Interesting reading.

Bill.
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AHHH...Paul Mantz was the pilot. Frank Tallman's name kept going through my mind, but I knew it wasn't him. He was killed because his plane didn't clear a ledge coming out of a cloud bank.

I remembered reading about the death of Paul Mantz in one of the aviation publications at the time it happened, but had only heard that the skid was the cause of the accident. I'll check into the biogarphy. I'm sure it's intresting reading.

Thanks,

Rod
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ORIGINAL: Kmot

Rod: I THOROUGHLY enjoyed reading your first hand account of your ride in the C-119!!! You must be a writer, because this could be the preface to a novel as far as I'm concerned.

I second that!!! Rod that is one of the most enjoyable post I have ever read here on RCU, you should be writing books. Thanks for the EXCELLENT post [sm=thumbs_up.gif]

Also thanks for the info on Flight of the Phoenix , being born in 1979 I never saw the original one, just the one that came out in the last couple of years, but I'm going to have to find a copy of the original now.

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