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Blade47 02-24-2006 06:49 PM

Super Duellist 2/60 Build
 
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I just received one of the very rare 2/60 kits from a very good friend Don who lives in Alaska. Upon opening the Box and unrolling the plans my mind raced back years to when I built the 2/40 and remember what a blast it was to fly. So with the mind once again racing I am going to jump into the build.

I have asked William to step in on the build to assist with the assembly and to answer any of your question on the 2/40 or the 2/60 as we move along.

I will endeavor to post as many pics as I can just to keep it lively.

In the kit I found that the doublers for the landing gear had been broken in shipping so will cut new ones of regular ply as I do not have light ply.

Laying out the wing to test fit I noticed that the W2 rib had a notch that would not accommodate the wheel in the up position. I would think that you would be able to shape it after the wing was built ...but... I decided to shape it for a 2.75 wheel and if need be grind it out for larger latter.

On we go.

Blade47 02-24-2006 06:53 PM

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more pics

William Robison 02-24-2006 09:34 PM

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Pete:

I was hoping someone else would come in here, but so far no one has.

We made minimum changes in the ribs. One as you have noticed, is going to multiple ply ribs to reinforce the mounting of the wing joiner tube, and another is burning the holes for the wing joiner tube. The lightening holes are also exclusive to the SD 2/60, the 2/40 came with solid ribs. The basic outline is still the same as the Duellist 2/40 Mk II.

One thing I just remembered though, we got a note from one builder about the plan drawing itself. He said that his print had one wing panel longer than the other. I blame Kinko's, but you might want to check this.

Bill.

Blade47 02-24-2006 09:41 PM

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OK No problem I will check the wing plan and let you know. I am sure others will post notes as I get to building. :D maybe this thread will get your blood going and open your kit as well [X(] lol

hattend 02-24-2006 11:21 PM

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Okay, I'll be watching. :D

Don

fyredog 02-25-2006 02:19 AM

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I aquired a duellist from ebay...........coveting it!, I will watch with envy!

William Robison 02-25-2006 02:29 AM

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Doggie:

Did you get a 2/40 or a 2/60? And if you don't mind, how much did you have to pay?

Bill.

roncoleman 02-25-2006 06:10 AM

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Blade47,

I'm glued in to this thread. Will be watching.

Blade47 02-25-2006 09:07 AM

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"Yikes" The pressure the pressure [X(] LOL. We have on this thread one of most knowledgeable Duellist expert in William Robison who I am sure has BOTH the 2/40 and 2/60 kits gathering balsa dust. What do you say guys ... should we put a little pressure on Bill to dig it out and build along with the thread? I would also think that Bill has other friends that would be able to contribute.

What do you say Bill? :D :D :D

William Robison 02-25-2006 10:20 AM

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Pete:

You found me out. One completed Duellist 2/40 (Mk I), one spare wing left after the fuselage was destroyed (I didn't do it), A Duelist 2/40 (Pica) kit in reserve, and my 2/60 still in the box.

Here you will also find a prototype Duellist 2/15 about half done, and some preliminary sketches of a 1/2A version, the Duellist 2/05.

Among the other twins here are one F7F Tigercat and another in process, and I'm expecting yet another within a week or two. And my Tiggerkitty, a stand way off scale F7F.

The fire is filled with too many irons.

Bill.

Blade47 02-25-2006 10:48 AM

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Bill !

A ton of Kits and just no time lol. Anyway over coffee this morning and having a look at the wing I decided to go with flaps and the shorter ailerons ... but how to run the extensions? Hmmm ... well this is what I came up with ..better to drill the holes now then try later.

I used 1/4" sq scrap to square up the ribs to keep the holes even from W2 to W8.

William Robison 02-25-2006 11:09 AM

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Pete:

The rib drilling looks good. We just figured on the wires running through the rib lightening holes.

For the vast majority on the people in the world who have not been privileged to see it, here's a picture of the kit box open. Yes, that is a metal yard stick in there. One of the nicer things Ernest and I did (Patting myself on the back) was to supply the wood in 48" length. This eliminated all sheeting and spar splices in the plane.

Bill.


Blade47 02-25-2006 11:10 AM

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Bill?

Has anyone tried horner tips on the duellist? That BIG 2x2 tip block is just screaming to get carved out to shape:D

Blade47 02-25-2006 11:13 AM

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Yes Thank you for the 48" wood makes life a lot easier for sure. Interesting in what i found in the kit and maybe Don put them in there but I found what looks like Dave Brown push rods and a very nice canopy..... was this included in the Kit?

William Robison 02-25-2006 11:25 AM

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Pete:

Hoerner tips are fine for a GA plane, but remember when you go inverted they are working backwards. On a plane this size though, you probably wouldn't notice the difference thanks to Mr Reynolds.

No, we did not include any hardware, push rods, or the canopy. While in development I found a Great Planes canopy available from Tower Hobbies that fit nicely and posted the part number. Several people got them at the time. I even special ordered one for an overseas buyer.

Anyway, you owe Don another hug and kiss for them.

Haw.

Bill.

Blade47 02-25-2006 11:28 AM

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Well OK maybe just a Hug then lol .... you got me on the tips so will scrape the idea.

Blade47 02-25-2006 03:44 PM

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You may want to run a thread line down the bottom of the TE of the ribs ...I found that ribs W2 to W4 needed to be trimmed so that the top and bottoms line up ( not a very good pic but you will get the idea) just the bottom notch for 1/4" sq need to be just a tic cut out and the lip that sets on the wing jig need a shave :D

One side of the wing is glued and ruffed in place ...but not W1 going to use your method Bill to get the W1's lined up... next sheet this half of the wing ( bottom only for now ) then build the other side.

William Robison 02-25-2006 04:48 PM

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Pete:

Looks like you missed one thing. Look on the drawing for either wing panel, note the location of the "Jig" piece.

You are supposed to place a length of 5/16" square stock to support the rear of the ribs while building. The plan says 1/4 square, in the included notes you are told to use 5/16" in its place.

Bill.

Blade47 02-25-2006 05:29 PM

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My Bad :eek: yep you are right the 5/16" correction is on the left wing panel and I worked on the right ( it's not noted there on the right and I do not see it in the notes ) so OK I will use the 1/4" ( I did use the 1/4" jig on the right ) on the left as well ... will the 1/16 " make that much of a difference? ( looking from behind the wing)

I measured the wing plan and the left wing is 1/8 " shorter then the right [X(] so the fellow that found it is right.

Question Will? Is it OK to build the left wing upside down on the right plan? other wise I will move the last three ribs out 1/16" each to make up for it on the left.

William Robison 02-25-2006 05:47 PM

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John:

Because of the angles, the 1/4" jig might have caused you to build a little twist in the panel - check carefully and if you have you can straighten it as you do the sheeting.

Since the airfoil is symmetric I see no reason why you couldn't build the left panel over the right hand drawing. But do be sure to get the ribs in the right way. Wrong way around would give you zero dihedral, the plane would still fly fine I think, but when you extend the landing gear having the left gear come out the top of the wing and the right out the bottom might make people give you funny looks.

Haw.

Bill.

Blade47 02-25-2006 08:25 PM

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Bill!

I checked the wing very carefully and used a string top and bottom on the TE all tips are even ... the OLD 100% eyeball can not detect any twist (not that there may be a small one ) and I feel 100% that it is OK.

I used the same method on the Left panel ( build it on the left side of the plan and extend the tip rib out to make the wings even in length and used the 1/4" jig) all looks fine there to.

When I have both half's done I will join the wing half's and measure at the tips before I skin to make sure of any twist.

softail99 02-25-2006 08:47 PM

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How is everyone coming along with there SD builds? Wish someone would get fired up about a gasser version. Oh Yeah! would love it. Say about 144" or so.

Anyway, yes the right wing will come out a good bit longer if you don't make the corrections early. We need to post some pictures of these.

Anyone try using Robo Struts on there retracts yet?

Rick

Blade47 02-25-2006 10:34 PM

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OK got the cam out and a couple pics will tell the story on the length of the wing and the plan..

as you can see I moved the left wing tip rib out the width of it self ( 1/8" ) and then measured both wings from the tip to W1 along the main spar ... so as long as you are aware of the difference you can correct the length.

cheers

fyredog 02-26-2006 08:40 PM

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Bill, I believe its a 240, not sure, its tucked away, but I think I got it for 160.00 or so

William Robison 02-26-2006 08:58 PM

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Dog:

That's a good price now, I've seen them go for over $200 on that site. And Quantum sold them for $130 including freight.

Bill.


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