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Old 08-21-2006, 06:50 AM
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

It is expensive, but this is way I did it.

You shop it around in parts.

I got the metal blade holders 1st, then some of bell cranks, then the head, etc etc.

my total price was less then 100 bucks. If you were to buy it all out , it would be around 30-40 bucks more.

Good luck in putting your w37 back together.

Also, it seems that maybe your main blades were on to tight.. if you leave your blades a bit loose (not to loose ofcourse),
when it hits the boom it will give way and reduce the amount of damage. Beleive me I know.. you should see my aluminum boom
it almost looks like yours.

Old 08-21-2006, 06:59 AM
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

NICE W37, very nice indeed.
Was it hard for you to adjust it after completetion?
and how much did you spend? does it really fly better? Is it more heavier?



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Align TREX 450Xl Metal head on the Walkera DragonFly 37

HERE IT IS! THE REVIEW ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR!

TREXKERA 37 "Walkera dragonfly 37 with a heap of Align parts that are for the TREX"

At a 1st glance, yes it can be done and you can use your own flybar and weights.

1. You can use your own main shaft! But the head does not fit all the way in. So the solution
is dremel 2mm or so from the top to make head sit in properly.
2. You purchase all the Align upgrade for metal conversion.

Part #: ALNHS1080 ALN METAL ROTOR HOUSING
Part #: ALNHS1065 ALN METAL MAIN ROTOR HOLDER
Part #: ALNHS1056 ALN Metal Washout and Pitch Control Levers
Part #: ALNHS1081 ALN METAL AILERON FLYBAR FRAME
Part #: ALNHS1128 ALN METAL FLYBAR SEESAW HOLDER BLUE
Part #: ALNHS1119 ALN LINKAGE ROD SET/SE,CF
Part #: ALNHS1046 ALN 3K CARB FBR FLYBAR PADDLE (optional)
Part #: ALNHZ027T ALN HARDWARE BAG
Part #: ALNH1139T ALN UPGRADE SET
Part #: ALNHS1061 ALN CCPM Swashplate/V2 or Micro Heli Model Number: MH-TX4120SE Swashplate for the T-Rex 450X

3. Assemble the head configuration 1st , then apply to the main shaft, continue to assemble as required.

4. You may use your own weights (recommended) for steady hovering. or if you purchase the ALNH1139T ALN UPGRADE SET, you get the weights too.

5. Your Pit control will be reversed due to the new mecanical configuration. (-100 will be maximum pitch on V2 pot cpntrol)

6. Fix the blade tracking and apply mecanical pitch. On too test fly, repeat until perfected.

Since I flew my Df37 with the Zshape holder over the main blade configuration the other day with the DF60, I had expected what I got. In no way the configuration
of the flybay under the blades is better. Now I did get it to hover perfectly.. and required very little input, but the flybar over the main blades in my opinion is better.
I just feels like more under control, but this may vary with users and how they fly.

Enjoy. Time to upgrade!










Old 08-21-2006, 07:00 AM
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

W37

I like your buying method to save price but it just takes to long for me as I want it now now now, very impatient.

I would be intested in how many amps you are pulling from your align motor as I tested my Walkera 180L yesterday and it was pulling 13amps at full throttle with maximum pitch, as I am using a diffrent transmitter to the walkera, due to wanting to use my TX that I use for my planes and other stuff it means I get more functionality from it so I can have different pitch curves on switches and other inverse functions. I am intrested as at 13amps the motor is getting hot, so would be intested to see what you are pulling and what pinon gear your using.
Old 08-21-2006, 07:09 AM
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

Hey , settle down. What is wrong with you? Why are you calling racissim in this forum?
You don't have the right to call anyone that. We can buy our parts where ever. And it's
a well known fact that certain parts are better, even if they do come from the same factory or not
or different materials. That does not give you the right to call people racist cause we favor other
things. That's the problem with socialism. If it's not your way, then everyone else is wrong.

Moderator, ban this guy.



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You 37 not believe. you ask you friend from taiwan she tell you, you ask if china makes parts in factory in subcon?. this is why chinese

grow fast, you western company do a lot of business in china. and you think its not good part. but you buy all part china. Align in taiwan

also chinese people there. Please dont think of china made items bad, to think all you have there in USA is made china. china build

for you and make all parts for you, so dont think you more superior than china, even if you in america buy china parts, so dont think

me chinese inferior, me can read in your post what you think, and it shows you like only american people, dont like other breed

specialy chinese, racist!!!

I dont love you anymore!! you racist. Me whiter than you and me have good skin no freckles, clean like porcelain not dirty.


ORIGINAL: W37 Cepeda

Ofcourse the Align shafts are stronger. And I really doubt they are made in the same factory. I'm glad your up and flying!



ORIGINAL: armycopter

Well the heli is all fixed up. I drilled a hole through the frame where the two upper canopy posts used to be. I then ran a piece of carbon (the stuff our training gear legs are made of) through both holes and glued it in place. It actually makes the frame sturdier than before. Looks great and works perfect. I'm saved from having to replace the main frame (for now, he he he). It's all back together and flying great. I took it outside in between rain showers today and was very pleased. No bent main shaft or feathering shaft. I'm impressed with the Align feathering shafts (thanks W37), they are much sturdier than the Walkera ones. The crash I had yesterday was pretty bad and I've had much less severe crashes which have almost always resulted in a bent feathering shaft (the walkera ones). The Align holds up great.

Could be a coincidence but I think the Align shafts are stronger than the Walkera ones. I know johnchu_hk said they're probably all made in the same Chinese factory but if they are, they're making the Align ones with a different steel. Just my opinion.
Old 08-21-2006, 07:38 AM
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

I'm using 11T pinion from Align and the Align 430L motor. I can't tell how much AC current the motor is pulling, hence I don't have a probe for that, but I can tell you is how much DC current I'm pulling from the batteries. I will do this later when I get home. With this motor after 15minutes of flight, it gets very warm, but no to the point were it can burn your fingers.

The 180L motor, is really not so good motor. It gets very hot! You could not touch it. I had one, and it did not last very long, and if you check yours right know, it suppose to spin freely with no power allied. I bet it does not. If it does, well I must of gotten a bad one. Cause after a couple of flights, the motor would not spin freely. It felt like a worn out brushed motor. Then one day it started to smoke! It look really cool! thought! I was hovering, the smoke started to come out, and it show the wind pattern below the blades! hehe nice... then It lost power and shorted out, almost melted the frame were it was being held. I would never buy a Walkera motor..specially a 180L.

If this would of happened with an brand new Align motor, they would of been repsonsible for it and the damaged parts.
This is the warrantee I got from a local Align dealer, They inspect the way you hooked it up, and come to a determination, and if in fact the motor was the originating problem, they would of replaced all the damaged parts.

Sometimes it's better to pay the extra 20 bucks for a piece of technology in which a company will stand behind. With Walkera? you would be lucky if you got it replaced. And if you did, you would of been waiting for ever.. Just like I am, I'm still waiting for it to be replaced. They said it was the ESC fault. Hello? I was using the recommended Walkera ESC, I spend a week argueing with them and the dealer pointing out this fact and still.. no replacement.

hence the reason why, cheap will always be cheap. And yes, unfortunately , for poeple starting this new hobby, Walkera
offers a very good solution to satisfy are curiosity, without spending enormous amounts of cash. things change though when your start replacing parts and upgrading.




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W37

I like your buying method to save price but it just takes to long for me as I want it now now now, very impatient.

I would be intested in how many amps you are pulling from your align motor as I tested my Walkera 180L yesterday and it was pulling 13amps at full throttle with maximum pitch, as I am using a diffrent transmitter to the walkera, due to wanting to use my TX that I use for my planes and other stuff it means I get more functionality from it so I can have different pitch curves on switches and other inverse functions. I am intrested as at 13amps the motor is getting hot, so would be intested to see what you are pulling and what pinon gear your using.
Old 08-21-2006, 07:42 AM
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

It was the same method In the adjustement of the original configuration, adjust the links length for tracking
and pitch.

I spent around 90 bucks in total..after a period of time...and it does fly better.

Yes, it wieghts a tad heavier...but its more precise in flying.

Hope this helps.



[quote]ORIGINAL: EL Mecano

NICE W37, very nice indeed.
Was it hard for you to adjust it after completetion?
and how much did you spend? does it really fly better? Is it more heavier?



Old 08-21-2006, 07:15 PM
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

Excellent point W37 and one I had never thought of. My blades were very loose when I crashed and I have since tightened them. I will be making them loose again tonight. The machine was flying perfectly and had no reason to change them. Thanks for your input.

Jim
Old 08-21-2006, 07:26 PM
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

Jon I don't disagree with your comments on price vs quality hence the term "you get what you pay for". It's true no matter where they are manufactured.
I'll not entertain the raciest comments. We are all here to better machines and get the most bang for our buck and I find this thread incredibly valuable.
Jim
Old 08-21-2006, 07:54 PM
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I second that
Old 08-21-2006, 10:36 PM
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Soneebee, I really like the Elf Hobby setup. I have been out of the R\C scene for some time so Brushless and Lipo batteries are completely new to me. All I can say is that this little motor seems to put out a lot of power for its size. I dont know how many amps it pulls. After a flight the motor is barely warm to the touch, the battery (3E 2200mah 12c lipo with 3E SmartPlus charger) is way hotter. The ESC is programmable but have no idea how, I would like it to cut power sooner as it lets the battery get too low. I debated a 430lf motor and CC 35amp ESC, or a Astro Flight with Cobalt magnets, but the price was right on the package from EHirobo, even though the Align is way better in reviews I have read.

W37 Cepeda, Wow you did really good shopping around on those parts. I did a quick price check and it came to over $200, but less than $100 you get props on that. I had the blades set really loose. I think allowing the blades to swing back and forth too easily and smack when it landed. I was experimenting both ways and this was the second time they hit the boom. Your Copter is nice I like it. I was conteplating this head http://cgi.ebay.com/All-Aluminum-CNC...QQcmdZViewItem, but wasnt sure if I could fit it.

Heliwannbe, I got the training gear from Xheli for like 6.99 where I bought my Heli. They are really durable and light. I will be leaving them on for some time as Cows fly better than me. I like to mountain bike too.

johnchu, where did you come up this racist stuff, thats jumping the gun a lot. That post is borderline bannable in my opinion. In other forums behavior like that is not tolerated and should not be here. Just calm down so we can have a happy and informative thread here, because that is the point of posting here.

Other than that I am trying to get aerofly sim program so next time a wall and lawnchair jump in front of me my reaction will be more natural. Instead of just landing out of panic. I noticed everyone here has relocated their tail servo, that was really poor design in the first place and a must to mod it. I found a good way to mount the battery if you can see in the pic there are two carbon fiber tubes that I zip tied to the frame. The double sided sticky tape is there only to prevent the tubles from damaging the lipo. I like it like that so I can charge the battery from the side without removing the canopy even.
Old 08-21-2006, 11:19 PM
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

Allstar DF37,

I have made the manual for the ESC and it can be programmed, just PM me you email addy so i can send it to you.. or you can get it from ehirobo.com download section.. They have uploaded the manual that I sent them..

thanks for the review of the motor... i'll be giving feedback on the manufaacturer on this....

happy flying....
Old 08-22-2006, 12:45 AM
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

HI there
Well, ALLSTAR DF37 sorry for damaged of you heli, I have same machine as yours (finally somebody with ELF HOBBY system and DF#37) with same motor,ESC and batt, but no matter how I programming the ESC, the motor runs very hot(like my stock WK motor), did you have any experience about this??.DId you remenber any adjustment made to yours settings???(TX) it seen that the motor was running with factory default settings on it, since you have no idea how to programming the ESC.Ofcourse I thing that this motor is factory pre-programming with this configuration.
Thanks bro
Any help?.
Old 08-22-2006, 08:23 PM
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Well this mountain bike a Honda Gold Wing and at 800+ pounds is slightly heavier than my pedal mountain bike although it does fine in the mountins as long as you are on good pavement he he.

Thanks for the tip and I found that websight and ordered the training gear as well as a few other spare parts. The sticks were doing fine until one of them snapped and hit the main rotor and caused a pretty big dig on one of the blades. I replaced it as a precaution.

I have been using the same ESC and outrunner brushless motor combo as army with a 2100 12c lipo and really like it. The motor is just warm to the touch and the lipo is barely warm after more than 12 minutes at hover power. I am using a 11t gear and think I just got lucky and hit it right on with my settings. Tons of power.

My heli is working perfectly right now but I think I will just cool it until I get the proper training gear.

Yes move the rudder servo. I wonder why they went with the extra linkage to put it where they did.
Old 08-22-2006, 08:49 PM
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

Hey Jim, I'm loving my ESC motor combo too! You're right, I think we just got lucky with that one. Everything is running cool since I went back to my original pinion.
Old 08-23-2006, 07:08 PM
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mcdaniel MyElf combo runs cool, it is all factory settings. Maybe you have friction somewhere. Check the pinion gear for clearance to the main gear if it is too tight, it should have a little play in between. I run my tail belt loose and oil all the bearings maybe that will help. A few posts ago Soneebee (Thanks Soneebee)posted how to program the ESC from Ehirobo, including how to reset it to factory settings.
Old 08-24-2006, 02:27 AM
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

Allstart,

I would check your belt as if you are running it to loose you will be losing a lot of the power to the tail rotor which in turn will make the yaw control less responsive than what it should be.


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mcdaniel MyElf combo runs cool, it is all factory settings. Maybe you have friction somewhere. Check the pinion gear for clearance to the main gear if it is too tight, it should have a little play in between. I run my tail belt loose and oil all the bearings maybe that will help. A few posts ago Soneebee (Thanks Soneebee)posted how to program the ESC from Ehirobo, including how to reset it to factory settings.
Old 08-24-2006, 08:53 AM
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Guys need some help, I am trying to find a pinion gear set for my new BL outrunner it needs the same size as the Align 430L 3.17mm shaft can anyone help me on that one
Old 08-24-2006, 10:54 AM
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Pinion gear set 11t,12t,13y from Align
its around 6.00 us dollars.
ORIGINAL: ellcheepo

Guys need some help, I am trying to find a pinion gear set for my new BL outrunner it needs the same size as the Align 430L 3.17mm shaft can anyone help me on that one
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:50 AM
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does it also come in 11,12,13T sizes? the one i got is 11T,13T,15T for 3.17mm and 9T,10T,11T for the 2.3mm size..

ORIGINAL: W37 Cepeda

Pinion gear set 11t,12t,13y from Align
its around 6.00 us dollars.
ORIGINAL: ellcheepo

Guys need some help, I am trying to find a pinion gear set for my new BL outrunner it needs the same size as the Align 430L 3.17mm shaft can anyone help me on that one
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I have not seen a kit that has the 12t size, at least from align.

That was a typo Error. The kit has 11T,13T,15T , as you indicated,at 3.17mm, which fits the 430L motor.


ORIGINAL: soneebee

does it also come in 11,12,13T sizes? the one i got is 11T,13T,15T for 3.17mm and 9T,10T,11T for the 2.3mm size..

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Pinion gear set 11t,12t,13y from Align
its around 6.00 us dollars.
ORIGINAL: ellcheepo

Guys need some help, I am trying to find a pinion gear set for my new BL outrunner it needs the same size as the Align 430L 3.17mm shaft can anyone help me on that one
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thats okay.. i was thinking if they came out with that kind of pack.. that would have been great.. hard to find a 12T pinion for the 3.17
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hey cepeda.. what happened to your review of the 60C? how was is during your test?
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Default RE: WALKERA 37

HI there
Well its time to move this tail servo to the tail boom
Anybody can tell me the ALIGN part# of the tail boom (2) with servo mount, also with the part # of the vertical and horizontal fins thats fit. I will upgrade soon. I see many store with several model of it???.I was searching in W37 post but I dont see.
Army report one store but there not accept a paypal as payment method.
Thanks to ALL.
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ORIGINAL: soneebee

hey cepeda.. what happened to your review of the 60C? how was is during your test?

I still have 60C here with me, as a matter of fact, I have done some minor mods to it. I will have the pictures soon, but my camera has a problem with the usb port, I had to send it back. I should have it by Monday next week. I will show my Df37 and df60c side by side. Maybe have some flight hover videos too. right know the 60c is not flight worthy, hence some of the metal parts have loose ball linkages screws, that won't tighten, cause the aluminum material in the hole threads have been damaged due to overtighten probably by the seller. Im waiting on some thread locking adhesive, if not, I'm going to have to replace that upper crank arm entirely, or tap in a new hole.

I will have it ready soon for another flight test.. and hopefully this time it perform as expected.


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ALN Metal Tail Servo Mount

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Part #: ALNHS1113-78
SUGGESTED PRICE $10.49





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HI there
Well its time to move this tail servo to the tail boom
Anybody can tell me the ALIGN part# of the tail boom (2) with servo mount, also with the part # of the vertical and horizontal fins thats fit. I will upgrade soon. I see many store with several model of it???.I was searching in W37 post but I dont see.
Army report one store but there not accept a paypal as payment method.
Thanks to ALL.

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