First pics of 28% Extra
 

Here are a couple pictures ofthe 28% Extra 300L that's due in March.

The production 300L planes will have tail surfaces that are more scale, a little wider and with semi-counterbalances instead of the full counterbalance shown here.

This tail configuration (shown here) will be the one used on the mid wing Extra 300 Special, due in the same shipment. The Special will be available in red/yellow/black and also red/white/blue, same scheme just different colors.

Tom Fawcett

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What is a semi-counterbalance as stated above on the tail?

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Beautiful scheme Tom!!!

Kevin

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On the Edge, the counterbalance goes all the way to the front and meets up with the LE of the stab. On an Extre 300LX or similar, the counterbalance goes only part way to the front. The h-stab has a piece that goes all the way to the end.

It's hard to explain, when I get a chance I'll take a couple pics.

TF

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OK, I understand, if I am not mistaken, I have seen the Midwest extra with an elevator like that. WHat is the benefit? The edge has a lot of control and responsiveness with the full counterbalance.

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No particular benefit except that it is closer to scale, that's really the only reason.

Someday, somebody is going to complain "but it's not really scale, see those tail feathers!" about the Special, and I'll be able to point to the 300LX and say "well we have a scale one for you too!".

TF

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See, I knew you were a pro-active kind of guy! :)

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:D:DThats a very pretty plane and nice scheme. I would say though, make that elevator bigger (larger counterbalances) and bigger ailerons:D

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Tom,

i saw this in another post...
((There will be two versions. The Extra 300 Special is a derivative of our Edge, using the same fuselage with Extra style wings, cowl and landing gear. I've flown this plane and it's a gem, one of the nicest flying planes I've ever had. It looks like the original Extra except it's thinner and sleeker, a bit of artistic license with the scale idea.
There will also be an Extra 330LX, a reduced size version of our 35% Extra. I just received the prototype of this plane and it looks great. The fuse is an inch or so wider than the 300 Special, with a nice wide cowl. It should be a very nice plane also, and very close to exact scale. ))

How wide is the new cowl? I've got a D&B 3.7 twin (10 inches) looking for a home! I also saw that the tail surfaces were bigger on the LX.

thanks for the info.

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Thanks for asking, it gives me an opportunity to update this information.

As of this date the wider body 300LX idea did not work out, we were unable to get it all into 1 UPSable box, so the 300LX is back to the slimmer fuselage. We (the factory and I) are still analyzing whether to stay with the same tailfeathers as the 300 Special or to go to a more scale tail. We know that what we have works well, last minute changes are risky.


To answer your question, the cowl is about 9 1/2" wide.

Tom Fawcett
Wild Hare R/C

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Correction Tom,
Last minuet changes are SPENDY...
[quote]ORIGINAL: rctom

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Here's a flight report on the 28% Extra 300L with the MVVS 58. In a word, awesome.

It is a 3d monster. For some reason the ailerons are really powerful, even small throws really throw it around. Hovering is also apparently a piece of cake. David McCutchen's (test pilot)descriptive words were "solid, stable, responsive, excellent for both 3d and sequences". David put it into a pretty good harrier on low rate elevator. All in all the controls are extremely powerful.

I used a single JR 8611 servo on the rudder with a 3" Air Wild arm, this is the right setup. Knife edge loops were done, and real ones with roundness all the way. None of that cheating where it drops like a rock after you go over the top and you have a "pucker moment" wondering if it will ever pull out. It just does a loop like it was flying on the wing (well, that may be an exaggeration but it was still very cool".

Since the fuse is almost thesame as the Edge, I'd expect the same performance there.

More to come.

Tom Fawcett
Wild Hare R/C

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Tom
What will the price be on the new extra?

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Same as the Edge, $399.

TF

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Thanks Tom
Will have to start saving my pennies!:D

Charlie

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Now I just have to convince my wife that we really don't need to finish up that en-suite bathroom anyway. After all, we have other bathrooms - but I don't have a gas Extra!

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Sold how do i get on the list for one Tom?

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Hey Tom,
The 300LX sounds great, but what's the deal with the 300 Special? Is it as good? If I've read all the posts correctly, the only difference is the wing is about 2 inches lower on the LX verse the Special's wing location... What motor is going in the Special prototype?
thanks in advance...

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You are exactly right, the only difference is the wing position. Some people like it high, others low.

I've already flown the Special prototype on a DA 50, performance is identical to the Edge, although flight characteristics vary somewhat.

TF

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Hi Tom. Looking forward to getting my Edge in a couple of weeks. Can't wait! :)

As was asked above; how do I get on the list for the new 300 and what is the planned first shipment date? I'll send a deposit this week. :D

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Same as with the Edge. Place an order, give us a method of payment to hold a place.

TF

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This might be a tough one for you too answer but since I have to wait until march anyways do you think I would be better off with the edge or the extra. I am more interested in clean, straight line's for IMAC type flying. I plan on performing some 3d but nothing hair raising, just some flat spins, hovering, waterfalls, etc. But like I said before, I like to fly long vertical lines, that are straight and true. Would you recoment the Extra or the Edge.


Thanks you,


Ryan

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I would think everyone is going to say go with the extra as I am basic going to do the same type of flying you are BuzyKid. Having own different brands of extras and edges. The edge also see to slow down quicker than an extra which excels this for 3d work along with being a very very slow flyer compared to the edge. So things like a loop will have to be flown different with the 2 different types of planes to maintain the consistent speed to look smooth. I am going with the extra to make a long story short.[:-]

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What the other guy said.

The straight leading Edge of the Edge does not yaw dampen as well as a swept LE, so an Extra is inherently more stable in straight lines. The Edge slows down easier because it has a bit more drag and its stall characteristics are a bit different.

For pattern work I like the Extra Special. For pure 3d probably the Edge. For a combination I like the 300L.

Tom Fawcett

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When I did the tail group for the Midwest kit --I did the counterbalances per full scale - so if anyone is in doubt as to what Tom is describing for the tail group - --look at current kit of the Midwest Extra.
These work very well - any other opinions will result from individual setups - but the short story - the work very well.