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Edge3644 08-16-2010 08:43 AM

YS110FZ compression problem
 
Hi,
After replacing pison/ring in YS110FZ where conrod snapped and damaged the piston,
I can not get any compression. I thught first that ring must set and this will help, but engine
wouldn't run. Valves are sealing OK and timing is as it should be. Where could be the problem?

tande 08-16-2010 08:56 AM

RE: YS110FZ compression problem
 
Describe how you are checking for valve seal....Is cylinder wall surface damaged?...

Edge3644 08-16-2010 09:22 AM

RE: YS110FZ compression problem
 
The cylinder surface looks perfect. Valves seal I checked first by leaving inverted cylinder full of fuel for a night.
None of the fuel escaped through the valves. Then I assembled the engine and keeping it upright I poured some
synthetic oil to submerse the valves. When rotating the crankshaft I looked for air bubbles escaping thorough oil. None.
After short attempts to start the engine, it did not regain compression, but I noticed black resude in crankcase.
Lower side (on one side only) of piston is rubbing against cylider and it is kind of shiny polished/grinded. Although it
shouldn't probably affect compression I suspect that new conrod is bend slightly. Otherwise what would explain piston wear
on one side?.

ThumbSkull 08-16-2010 09:27 AM

RE: YS110FZ compression problem
 
Pistons always wear more on one side.

Edge3644 08-16-2010 09:31 AM

RE: YS110FZ compression problem
 
This wear appeared on piston side just after few attempts to run the engine with electric starter. The engine did not run by itself.
Besides it is ringed and not ABC.

tande 08-16-2010 09:56 AM

RE: YS110FZ compression problem
 


ORIGINAL: Edge3644

The cylinder surface looks perfect. Valves seal I checked first by leaving inverted cylinder full of fuel for a night.
None of the fuel escaped through the valves. Then I assembled the engine and keeping it upright I poured some
synthetic oil to submerse the valves. When rotating the crankshaft I looked for air bubbles escaping thorough oil. None.
After short attempts to start the engine, it did not regain compression, but I noticed black resude in crankcase.
Lower side (on one side only) of piston is rubbing against cylider and it is kind of shiny polished/grinded. Although it
shouldn't probably affect compression I suspect that new conrod is bend slightly. Otherwise what would explain piston wear
on one side?.

Wow!...sounds like you've covered most bases...I rather doubt that a new con/rod would be bent ...When you say "No Compression", do you actually mean "None" or "Weak"...Before you can have "Compression" the engine has to ingest air from the intake side...Is everything ok on that side?, rotary/valve timed & rotating properly?....Cam timed correctly?...Throttle open?....Just as a test, might be interesting to try with the entire carb & maybe even the air chamber removed, eliminating everything on the intake side...[sm=confused.gif] on second thought, just lift the cyl.; remove A/C, reinstall cyl. & try...We'll keep thinking...Someone else may join/in...

XMANS 08-17-2010 03:10 AM

RE: YS110FZ compression problem
 

Just where is the wear/grind marks showing, front of engine , rear, side, which side? at this stage sounds like you have put it back together wrong, possably con rod and disc valve assy.

YS Service down under

mjfrederick 08-17-2010 09:49 AM

RE: YS110FZ compression problem
 


ORIGINAL: XMANS


Just where is the wear/grind marks showing, front of engine , rear, side, which side? at this stage sounds like you have put it back together wrong, possably con rod and disc valve assy.

YS Service down under
+1

Edge3644 08-18-2010 07:16 AM

RE: YS110FZ compression problem
 
The piston was wearing on its surface facing front of the engine. I removed the piston and turned around 180 deg,
put everything back together and tried again. Piston was wearing on the same side although this time facing back
of the engine. That's why I suspected bent conrod. Took conrod out, inserted straight longish steel rods through
both brass bearing of conrod (fairly tight fit) to chech if rods are parrarel. Were skewed a few degrees, so I bend
conrod slightly until rods were parallel. I did not help regain compression, buy I will try to run the engine again,
hopfully without piston side wear.

Edge3644 08-20-2010 11:29 AM

RE: YS110FZ compression problem
 
I have bench run the engine for a couple of view minute sessions.
I am getting 7200 revs on APC 16X6 prop and 20/20/fuel.
Although set very rich it was getting so hot that throttle barrel got stuck.
Cooled down the engine and tried again on even reacher setting, but with same result.
This another mystery.
At least some succes, when cold, the compression is back and it is quite OK.

Edge3644 09-08-2010 02:48 PM

RE: YS110FZ compression problem
 
I can see that YS agent did not enjoy enough schooling, or even prosaic hands on experience.


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