Still, a good discussion.

Some here(Hossfly and myself, maybe others?)have been flying full-scale for many years, in my case 36, 30 as a CFI. Langewiesche's book is a bible, as is 'Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators' for advanced discussions.

First: ailerons add to the total wing area and are used by engineers to compute lift so, yes, they do contribute to lift. Sorry, Gary Harris.

Second: adding elevator with any bank beyond 45-degrees will increase turn rate more than increase altitude. By the same token, increasing elevator with a bank angle below 45-degrees wil increase altitude more than turn rate.

Third: in a full-scale during steep turns (we'll say 60-degrees), if altitude loss occurs the correct procedure is to reduce bank angle slightly while maintaining back-pressure (elevator) or increase elevator slightly then, when altitude is regained, increase bank angle slightly. Thus, just 'hauling back' on the elevator alone is a crude way to maintain altitude.