Chip Hyde Cap-X and Evolution 1.6
02-25-2006, 09:59 AM
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Chip Hyde Cap-X and Evolution 1.6
Has anyone looked at the Evolution 1.6. ? About the same weight as an OS 160 FX and a slightly higher output but in a gas not glow? I have a Saito 180 in mine now and it needs a whole lot of weight in the front end. Plus gas is alot cheaper to run. Thansk for the feedback.
02-25-2006, 12:50 PM
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RE: Chip Hyde Cap-X and Evolution 1.6
Cap 232:
I have a ZDZ 40 in mine, no additional tail weight, love the way the Cap X flys. Be sure to maka a jig to place your elevator and aileron horns in the same EXACT location, otherwise you will have a dog and will be tring to get it right down the road. Mine would not hover (high alpha) or any of similar manivors until I re-did mine correctly. Now can harrier to landing with no problem, torque rolls and sim. are much improved. About the only plane I fly anymore of 12 good others with exception of my rcx planes foamys which are simmply a joy to fly!
I have a ZDZ 40 in mine, no additional tail weight, love the way the Cap X flys. Be sure to maka a jig to place your elevator and aileron horns in the same EXACT location, otherwise you will have a dog and will be tring to get it right down the road. Mine would not hover (high alpha) or any of similar manivors until I re-did mine correctly. Now can harrier to landing with no problem, torque rolls and sim. are much improved. About the only plane I fly anymore of 12 good others with exception of my rcx planes foamys which are simmply a joy to fly!
02-26-2006, 12:52 PM
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RE: Chip Hyde Cap-X and Evolution 1.6
I have both engines and if you run the tuned pipe on the gasser ( the only way to get any real power ) it is over 1 lb. heavy than the OS and the OS on a muffler will turn an 18 - 8 APC prop 500 more rpm's than the gasser on a pipe. Actually I have the gasser in a BN 120 and will probably take it out and install the OS.
02-26-2006, 01:45 PM
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RE: Chip Hyde Cap-X and Evolution 1.6
Thanks guys. I am replacing the Saito I had in mine and am looking for engine options. I don't like the fuel costs of the OS the Moki 1.8 is not too bad. I am looking at either the Evolution 1.6 or the Moki (Mark) 1.8 Gas. My Cap-X is a bit of a pig with no engine in it right now it is 11.7 pounds. This is with the supplied landing gear, carbon fiber push rods, Hitec digital servos in the recomended places, and an empty 20oz tank. I figured with the Moki gassser it would have enough power and fairly low fuel cost. Total weight with a Bisson Pitts Muffler is about 13.3 pounds, with a wing loading of 29 oz/ft^2. Kinda high but I have heard some guys with DA 50's come close to 14 in some cases.
02-26-2006, 07:13 PM
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Just to be helpful I'm going to throw some weights out for the Moki 1.80 glow engine.
Engine: 42 ounces
Mount: 6 ounces (H9 alum ultra mount)
Pitts muffler: 6 ounces
Wood 18x8 prop: 2.5 ounces
3.5 inch spinner and adapter: 4 ounces
Total = 60.5 ounces = 3.78 pounds
So add that to the 11.7 pounds and you get: 15.48 pounds. That sounds a little heavy to me. I would think that ARF would come out to around 13-14 pounds with the Moki. So if you put a Moki gasoline engine plan on another half pound total for the ignition and battery. Did you mean gasoline? It will have less power than a glow, so 30cc or 1.80 is not enough power for any aggressive aerobatics. A 40 or 50 cc gas engine will be about 10 ounces heavier than a Moki 1.80 glow.
BTW, I have a Kangke CAP 232 120 about the same size as the CAP X. It has a Moki 1.80 in it and weighs 14 pounds. It has PLENTY of power and the engine is heavier than the Saito 180 so the added nose weight helps. I also had a Saito 180 in mine and went to the Moki. It's a perfect engine for your CAP. You can run 0% nitro for $9.50 a gallon and it burns very slow. You will use less than half the fuel that the Saito uses eaily. And way more power.
Engine: 42 ounces
Mount: 6 ounces (H9 alum ultra mount)
Pitts muffler: 6 ounces
Wood 18x8 prop: 2.5 ounces
3.5 inch spinner and adapter: 4 ounces
Total = 60.5 ounces = 3.78 pounds
So add that to the 11.7 pounds and you get: 15.48 pounds. That sounds a little heavy to me. I would think that ARF would come out to around 13-14 pounds with the Moki. So if you put a Moki gasoline engine plan on another half pound total for the ignition and battery. Did you mean gasoline? It will have less power than a glow, so 30cc or 1.80 is not enough power for any aggressive aerobatics. A 40 or 50 cc gas engine will be about 10 ounces heavier than a Moki 1.80 glow.
BTW, I have a Kangke CAP 232 120 about the same size as the CAP X. It has a Moki 1.80 in it and weighs 14 pounds. It has PLENTY of power and the engine is heavier than the Saito 180 so the added nose weight helps. I also had a Saito 180 in mine and went to the Moki. It's a perfect engine for your CAP. You can run 0% nitro for $9.50 a gallon and it burns very slow. You will use less than half the fuel that the Saito uses eaily. And way more power.
02-26-2006, 08:35 PM
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RE: Chip Hyde Cap-X and Evolution 1.6
JoeAirPort,
Sorry for the type-o. I read the wrong number off my spread sheet it is 89.2oz for fuse servos and receiver, 45.6oz for finished wing, and 22.6oz for the rest, i.e. cowl prop spinner ect. for a weight with no engine of 9.8 pounds. With a Moki 180 glow it would work out around 12.6 pounds and a Moki Gas @ 13.3 pounds, and an Evolution 2.15 @ 13.7. Sound better?
Sorry for the type-o. I read the wrong number off my spread sheet it is 89.2oz for fuse servos and receiver, 45.6oz for finished wing, and 22.6oz for the rest, i.e. cowl prop spinner ect. for a weight with no engine of 9.8 pounds. With a Moki 180 glow it would work out around 12.6 pounds and a Moki Gas @ 13.3 pounds, and an Evolution 2.15 @ 13.7. Sound better?
04-03-2006, 04:15 PM
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RE: Chip Hyde Cap-X and Evolution 1.6
have a zdz 50 in mine amazing thats all i can say no weight prob. i believe i weighed it in at 13.5 lbs or so i know it was no more than that. just what you prefer i guess. when i talked to chip he said throw a 1.6 glow on there but i wanted to go gas.
04-03-2006, 04:23 PM
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RE: Chip Hyde Cap-X and Evolution 1.6
Emvin,
I had a Saito 180 for mine. I sold it and put a ZDZ 40 in it. My 180 weighed in at 36 oz with muffler on the scale. The 220 at 42 oz is heavier. I had the problem that as built, with elevator serovs in the tail and the rudder by the wing, with a 2700mAh NiMh at the fire wall I still needed close to 20 oz to help the thing into the aft CG limit. I also dont have a hoby shop near by that carries the glow fuel I use. Most shops are about an hour away for me. The ZDZ helped me with weight and balance. My ZDZ was 56 oz with muffler. With everything installed and the rx battery back above the wing I am at the aft CG limit. The 220 should do better, most people I heard from on the 180 said it was marginal. My final all up weight with Saito and ZDZ were 13.3 pounds and 13.4 pounds respectively. So for the same weight and no balast I have more power and better fuel economy. Now I have heard from Chip Hyde. Here is what he said about the 180.
From Chip Hyde
"The CG of the CAPX was set super conservative so don't panic, its not going to require 14 oz of nose weight. What you need to do is to mount your battery on the fire wall or on the side of the motor box. Then I want you to add 3 ounces of shotgun shot or lead mixed with epoxy to the very front of the cowl just below the spinner ring.
Trust me this will be perfect and you will not have any problems with tip stalls on landing. The hardest thing will be getting use to how slow it will land and that is normally figured out after the second or third approach.
The final thing I want you to do is this. In your transmitter go to the programable mix functions and activate one of them like this
Throttle - Master
Elevator - Slave (Then push the link button on futaba)
Now at idle you need 2% down elevator. This is minimal and will be forgotten about after your first flight. This is the way you can establish a good power off glide slope and requires you to use a little bit of back pressure on the Elevator stick while on approach.
Chip "
Hope this helps.
I had a Saito 180 for mine. I sold it and put a ZDZ 40 in it. My 180 weighed in at 36 oz with muffler on the scale. The 220 at 42 oz is heavier. I had the problem that as built, with elevator serovs in the tail and the rudder by the wing, with a 2700mAh NiMh at the fire wall I still needed close to 20 oz to help the thing into the aft CG limit. I also dont have a hoby shop near by that carries the glow fuel I use. Most shops are about an hour away for me. The ZDZ helped me with weight and balance. My ZDZ was 56 oz with muffler. With everything installed and the rx battery back above the wing I am at the aft CG limit. The 220 should do better, most people I heard from on the 180 said it was marginal. My final all up weight with Saito and ZDZ were 13.3 pounds and 13.4 pounds respectively. So for the same weight and no balast I have more power and better fuel economy. Now I have heard from Chip Hyde. Here is what he said about the 180.
From Chip Hyde
"The CG of the CAPX was set super conservative so don't panic, its not going to require 14 oz of nose weight. What you need to do is to mount your battery on the fire wall or on the side of the motor box. Then I want you to add 3 ounces of shotgun shot or lead mixed with epoxy to the very front of the cowl just below the spinner ring.
Trust me this will be perfect and you will not have any problems with tip stalls on landing. The hardest thing will be getting use to how slow it will land and that is normally figured out after the second or third approach.
The final thing I want you to do is this. In your transmitter go to the programable mix functions and activate one of them like this
Throttle - Master
Elevator - Slave (Then push the link button on futaba)
Now at idle you need 2% down elevator. This is minimal and will be forgotten about after your first flight. This is the way you can establish a good power off glide slope and requires you to use a little bit of back pressure on the Elevator stick while on approach.
Chip "
Hope this helps.
04-03-2006, 04:29 PM
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RE: Chip Hyde Cap-X and Evolution 1.6
since I have the 220 I'm gonna start with that I have a feeling it will power it nicely. So does the plane 3d well> and are the comments about less tip tendency true?
