AMA to spend $250,000 on FPV
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Hardly, we have the meeting notes from HC and the response I received from Rich Hanson to "Ask AMA".
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[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: left"]Just what is the "small UAS program" that was allocated $250,000 at the last EC Meeting?
Why as a Leader Member have I not heard of this program and can find no reference to it when searching the AMA site?
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[TD="bgcolor: #FFFFFF, align: left"]Just what is the "small UAS program" that was allocated $250,000 at the last EC Meeting?
Why as a Leader Member have I not heard of this program and can find no reference to it when searching the AMA site?
thank you,
Brad Paul[/TD]
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[TD="class: cms_table_table_header_cell, align: left"]Mon Aug 11 2014 10:40AM by Richard Hanson[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: #F8F8F8, align: left"]Hi Brad,
This is a program that has been under development since October of 2013. The program is designed to provide guidance and support for the purposeful us of UAS/model aircraft.
The AMA staff was tasked by the Executive Council to develop the program at the October 19, 2013 EC meeting. This program was presented and approved by the EC at the July 19, 2014 meeting.
You should be able to find reference to it by reviewing the minutes of these two meetings. More specific information will be made available once the program is finalized and launched. You should also be able to get additional information from your District Vice President.
Rich Hanson
AMA Government and Regulatory Affairs
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Reference in the meeting minutes? What a wonderful non answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is the section from the October 19th EC Meeting:
AMA/sUAS Advisory
The committee’s mission over the past year and a half has been to define AMA’s support as far as products and services for the FPV/sUAS community. There are two sides to this issue; there is a recreational side and a personal use/light commercial side.
Various groups were polled to find out where they thought AMA should fit in. R. Hanson has been on the road attending various conventions, seminars, events, etc. and has a lot of good information on where this community is heading.
Recreational users can use the platforms now under the AMA guidelines. The committee will focus more on developing a program for the recreational community. The staff is tasked with developing a program for the personal and light commercial community. Approving the motion gives the staff and committee the latitude to make some decisions independent of council because time will be of the essence on many of the issues, both in writing the standards, creating programming functionality and infrastructure.
The committee’s mission over the past year and a half has been to define AMA’s support as far as products and services for the FPV/sUAS community. There are two sides to this issue; there is a recreational side and a personal use/light commercial side.
Various groups were polled to find out where they thought AMA should fit in. R. Hanson has been on the road attending various conventions, seminars, events, etc. and has a lot of good information on where this community is heading.
Recreational users can use the platforms now under the AMA guidelines. The committee will focus more on developing a program for the recreational community. The staff is tasked with developing a program for the personal and light commercial community. Approving the motion gives the staff and committee the latitude to make some decisions independent of council because time will be of the essence on many of the issues, both in writing the standards, creating programming functionality and infrastructure.
And of course the July 19th Minutes will not be published buntil they are approved at the next EC Meeting, October 11, 2014
Do they really think we are such fools to accept such a non response????? However this statement gives away the plan............................
The staff is tasked with developing a program for the personal and light commercial community. Approving the motion gives the staff and committee the latitude to make some decisions independent of council because time will be of the essence on many of the issues, both in writing the standards, creating programming functionality and infrastructure
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Hardly, we have the meeting notes from HC and the response I received from Rich Hanson to "Ask AMA".
Reference in the meeting minutes? What a wonderful non answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is the section from the October 19th EC Meeting:
And of course the July 19th Minutes will not be published buntil they are approved at the next EC Meeting, October 11, 2014
Do they really think we are such fools to accept such a non response????? However this statement gives away the plan............................
It is all about the "personal and light commercial community"............................. or non AMA members that do not fly per AMA 550.
I think that they are playing with fire and we will get burnt.
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it's alive...it's alive...and we built it...It will need a recharge soon... Naming it, the AMA, the the only NCBO will be a very great boost that will take decades to fade but in interim it will consume much. Funny, people generally learn that what they ask for isn't really what they wanted after all...but usually way to late then to do much about it.
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There was a fellow here that pointed out, years ago, that AMA has become self-aware and its agenda is now only about feeding its own existence, growth and control instead of just simply promoting the hobby...every sentence it utters and every policy made is now constructed to further that very agenda...of growth and control.
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Might want to revisit the daily dose of Ramen!
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I just posted a new thread on the AMA and FAA jointly sponsoring a drone demo at a full-scale airshow:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/club...l#post11862854
What exactly is the AMA's intent regarding drones? Why aren't they explaining the long-term plans and goals, and providing transparency on the process? Instead, they bury the allocation of $250,000.00 of our funds in the closing minutes of a couple of meetings. This is very troubling, and Mr. Hanson and the rest of the council need to step up and explain themselves.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/club...l#post11862854
What exactly is the AMA's intent regarding drones? Why aren't they explaining the long-term plans and goals, and providing transparency on the process? Instead, they bury the allocation of $250,000.00 of our funds in the closing minutes of a couple of meetings. This is very troubling, and Mr. Hanson and the rest of the council need to step up and explain themselves.
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I just posted a new thread on the AMA and FAA jointly sponsoring a drone demo at a full-scale airshow:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/club...l#post11862854
What exactly is the AMA's intent regarding drones? Why aren't they explaining the long-term plans and goals, and providing transparency on the process? Instead, they bury the allocation of $250,000.00 of our funds in the closing minutes of a couple of meetings. This is very troubling, and Mr. Hanson and the rest of the council need to step up and explain themselves.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/club...l#post11862854
What exactly is the AMA's intent regarding drones? Why aren't they explaining the long-term plans and goals, and providing transparency on the process? Instead, they bury the allocation of $250,000.00 of our funds in the closing minutes of a couple of meetings. This is very troubling, and Mr. Hanson and the rest of the council need to step up and explain themselves.
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My query to Mr. Hanson, and his response:
"Hi Ed,
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In a recent survey it was found that upwards of 30% of existing AMA members are either currently involved in or have some interest in automated (UAS) flight technology, and there is a growing community of personal/purposeful users of this technology. This new aeromodeling community is currently operating without the programing necessary to educate them and to assist them in learning how to use this technology in a safe and responsible manner. And, unfortunately, the lack of a safe structure for this aspect of the hobby is resulting in a growing number of incidences that have resulted in adverse exposure in the media, exposure that is reflecting poorly on the entire aeromodeling community.
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The funding authorized by the AMA Executive Council will be used to develop the programing necessary to educate, manage and reach out to this community of personal/purposeful operators.
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Rich Hanson
AMA Government and Regulatory Affairs
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From:*Ed Chmielewski
Sent:*Monday, August 18, 2014 10:44 AM
To:*[email protected]
Subject:*AMA and Drones/sUAS
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Rich,
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I'm troubled by the recent allocation of $250,000.00 of member funds for drone/sUAS projects. A recent thread on RC Universe outlines some of the unease expressed by myself and other AMA members:
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http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...0-000-fpv.html
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What exactly are the funds for? What intent does the AMA have regarding sUAS/sUAV? How are drones even associated with the AMA, especially 'light commercial' (what is THAT?)?
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IMO, the AMA has no business associating with any commercial venture. Ours is a hobbyist organization, and should remain so. Especially troubling in this allocation is how it may positively affect an AMA board member who has business interests in the sUAS area, and its appearance of cronyism.
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Ed Chmielewski"
When has the AMA ever targeted one group with a Quarter-Million Dollar war chest? Let those who work in the UAV industry form their own CBO! The political doublespeak is nauseating.
AMA, STOP THE DRONE SPENDING NOW!
"Hi Ed,
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In a recent survey it was found that upwards of 30% of existing AMA members are either currently involved in or have some interest in automated (UAS) flight technology, and there is a growing community of personal/purposeful users of this technology. This new aeromodeling community is currently operating without the programing necessary to educate them and to assist them in learning how to use this technology in a safe and responsible manner. And, unfortunately, the lack of a safe structure for this aspect of the hobby is resulting in a growing number of incidences that have resulted in adverse exposure in the media, exposure that is reflecting poorly on the entire aeromodeling community.
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The funding authorized by the AMA Executive Council will be used to develop the programing necessary to educate, manage and reach out to this community of personal/purposeful operators.
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Rich Hanson
AMA Government and Regulatory Affairs
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From:*Ed Chmielewski
Sent:*Monday, August 18, 2014 10:44 AM
To:*[email protected]
Subject:*AMA and Drones/sUAS
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Rich,
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I'm troubled by the recent allocation of $250,000.00 of member funds for drone/sUAS projects. A recent thread on RC Universe outlines some of the unease expressed by myself and other AMA members:
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http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...0-000-fpv.html
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What exactly are the funds for? What intent does the AMA have regarding sUAS/sUAV? How are drones even associated with the AMA, especially 'light commercial' (what is THAT?)?
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IMO, the AMA has no business associating with any commercial venture. Ours is a hobbyist organization, and should remain so. Especially troubling in this allocation is how it may positively affect an AMA board member who has business interests in the sUAS area, and its appearance of cronyism.
*
Ed Chmielewski"
When has the AMA ever targeted one group with a Quarter-Million Dollar war chest? Let those who work in the UAV industry form their own CBO! The political doublespeak is nauseating.
AMA, STOP THE DRONE SPENDING NOW!
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Looks like what the AMA wants is a way to bring a significant number of FPV users into the AMA. So they're looking for a way to make the AMA attractive to the unaligned FPV community, including the manufacturers.
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Looks like what the AMA wants is a way to bring a significant number of FPV users into the AMA. So they're looking for a way to make the AMA attractive to the unaligned FPV community, including the manufacturers.
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My query to Mr. Hanson, and his response:
"Hi Ed,
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In a recent survey it was found that upwards of 30% of existing AMA members are either currently involved in or have some interest in automated (UAS) flight technology, and there is a growing community of personal/purposeful users of this technology. This new aeromodeling community is currently operating without the programing necessary to educate them and to assist them in learning how to use this technology in a safe and responsible manner. And, unfortunately, the lack of a safe structure for this aspect of the hobby is resulting in a growing number of incidences that have resulted in adverse exposure in the media, exposure that is reflecting poorly on the entire aeromodeling community.
"Hi Ed,
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In a recent survey it was found that upwards of 30% of existing AMA members are either currently involved in or have some interest in automated (UAS) flight technology, and there is a growing community of personal/purposeful users of this technology. This new aeromodeling community is currently operating without the programing necessary to educate them and to assist them in learning how to use this technology in a safe and responsible manner. And, unfortunately, the lack of a safe structure for this aspect of the hobby is resulting in a growing number of incidences that have resulted in adverse exposure in the media, exposure that is reflecting poorly on the entire aeromodeling community.
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I notice the convenient omission of a response to your reference to the commercial aspect that you specifically inquired about.
1. He sidestepped the question about where the money is going IMO.
The funding authorized by the AMA Executive Council will be used to develop the programing necessary to educate, manage and reach out to this community of personal/purposeful operators.
2. How are drones even relevant to our hobbyist organization, beyond sharing frequencies? No Answer.
3. What is 'light commercial'? No Answer.
4. The cronyism question of a council member? No Answer.
Lest anyone think I'm anti-drone, nothing could be further from the truth. As a corporate pilot, I've dealt with the FAA for 30+ years. I've done R&D flying (unpaid) for a local firm doing UAS prototype research. And I'm pro-AMA. I fully agree with littlecrankshaf, Charley, bradpaul and everyone else who at least questions, if not opposes, this spending, and the path the EC is directing.
Maybe it's not too silly to investigate an alternative CBO ala Sport Flyers Association.
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I heard from my AMA D-VIII VP today. He says, in part, that he would rather see the $250K spent on a vigorous ad campaign to counteract the media reports of "drone" accidents by pointing out that the perpetrators of the incidences are not responsible, safety conscious modelers, such as AMA & its club members, but are non-aligned & irresponsible individuals.
I tend to agree with him. Comments?
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I tend to agree with him. Comments?
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I heard from my AMA D-VIII VP today. He says, in part, that he would rather see the $250K spent on a vigorous ad campaign to counteract the media reports of "drone" accidents by pointing out that the perpetrators of the incidences are not responsible, safety conscious modelers, such as AMA & its club members, but are non-aligned & irresponsible individuals.
I tend to agree with him. Comments?
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I tend to agree with him. Comments?
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