FAA Reauthorization 2016 AIRR - 2016
02-06-2016, 04:55 AM
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02-06-2016, 05:41 AM
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The 19.8% drop in "...membership dues" (IRS 990's in constant 2013 dollars over period 2007 to 2013) amounts to $1,712,709 loss - ample motivation for an organization to try and use law to make it difficult for competitors.
02-06-2016, 06:14 AM
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Which laws are specific to the AMA?
02-06-2016, 06:32 AM
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So, I have a group of two fellers who use the AMA "programming" as a guide for our "group", and we work to help maintain and develop flying site(s), so I think we're a CBO, just not officially listed (which process by the FAA isn't yet defined, as how, when, what documents required, etc. to "be" a recognized CBO, other than the requirement to meet the statutes.
We're good, I think.
02-06-2016, 06:55 AM
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yes. Since a group "size" isn't defined anyplace in FAA documents that I've seen, the "example" cited simply gives a "group" the requirement to meet the statutory law of the FAA's definition.
So, I have a group of two fellers who use the AMA "programming" as a guide for our "group", and we work to help maintain and develop flying site(s), so I think we're a CBO, just not officially listed (which process by the FAA isn't yet defined, as how, when, what documents required, etc. to "be" a recognized CBO, other than the requirement to meet the statutes.
We're good, I think.
So, I have a group of two fellers who use the AMA "programming" as a guide for our "group", and we work to help maintain and develop flying site(s), so I think we're a CBO, just not officially listed (which process by the FAA isn't yet defined, as how, when, what documents required, etc. to "be" a recognized CBO, other than the requirement to meet the statutes.
We're good, I think.
There ya go. These guys are one also and should be mentioned as a example by the FAA.
http://www.dontflystupid.org/
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02-06-2016, 07:05 AM
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There ya go. These guys are one also and should be mentioned as a example by the FAA.
http://www.dontflystupid.org/
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http://www.dontflystupid.org/
Mike
Although the overall concept of "Don't Fly Stupid" is pretty dam good and simple to follow.
02-06-2016, 07:12 AM
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"Don't do anything stupid"
It's worked for 40 years. I will add AMA Safety Rules apply but our rule seems to cover all the bases.
Mike
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02-06-2016, 12:40 PM
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More of the same, always the negative perspective. No other data that might show say, an increase in membership numbers, or additional revenue from hosting events at Muncie, or increased revenue from advertising or affinity marketing programs, or investment income, or efficiency gains in other areas of operation.
I can't see one affirmative or proactive action or position that the AMA has taken to make it difficult for any competitors. The simple reality is they are THE only group out there doing what they do. Nobody can touch them, either our of sheer laziness, lack of vision, or lack of whatever you want to call it. Heck, forget all the other benefits the membership affords us, nobody can even get something close to the insurance program they have, the premiums for that alone would be double or even triple what the dues are.
Oh wait...I might stand corrected, I do recall someone mentioning another program in the works...but it's "invite only" and very hush hush. Something smells pretty bad about that...time will tell!
02-06-2016, 06:30 PM
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More of the same, always the negative perspective. No other data that might show say, an increase in membership numbers, or additional revenue from hosting events at Muncie, or increased revenue from advertising or affinity marketing programs, or investment income, or efficiency gains in other areas of operation.
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[TD]IRS 990
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[TD="align: center"]2007-2013 % Change[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Net change in 2013 Dollars[/TD]
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[TD] Gifts, grants , contributions, and membership fees received (Do not include any " unusual grants ")[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]-19.8%
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[TD="align: right"]-$1,712,709
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[TD] Gross receipts from admissions, merchandise sold or services performed , or facilities furnished in any activity that is related to the organization ' s tax-exempt purpose[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]17.2%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$74,903[/TD]
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[TD] Gross income from interest, dividends, payments received on securities loans, rents, royalties, and income from similar sources[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]-59.2%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-$381,003
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[TD] Unrelated business taxable income (less section 511 taxes) from businesses acquired after June 30, 1975[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]971.4%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]$207,406[/TD]
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[TD]Change in Total Support, 2007 - 2013
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[TD="align: center"]-18.5%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]-$1,811,403
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The 2011, 2012, and 2013 IRS 990 expense data goes back only to 2010. In fairness, in constant 2013 dollars, AMA has cut expenses by $199,445. Unfortunately that is dwarfed by change in total support.
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02-06-2016, 06:31 PM
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Believe me , you don't want privatized ATC here with a governing board comprised of mostly airline and commercial operaters with deep pockets dictating what is prioritized and what is not , mainly to appease the airlines and squash the little guy flying light aircraft and or RC aircraft. I knew our great hobby would be ruined by the non AMA masses( or delete the letter M ) irresponsibly flying drones.
02-07-2016, 05:43 AM
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Believe me , you don't want privatized ATC here with a governing board comprised of mostly airline and commercial operaters with deep pockets dictating what is prioritized and what is not , mainly to appease the airlines and squash the little guy flying light aircraft and or RC aircraft. I knew our great hobby would be ruined by the non AMA masses( or delete the letter M ) irresponsibly flying drones.
02-07-2016, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by speed20 
Believe me , you don't want privatized ATC here with a governing board comprised of mostly airline and commercial operaters with deep pockets dictating what is prioritized and what is not , mainly to appease the airlines and squash the little guy flying light aircraft and or RC aircraft. I knew our great hobby would be ruined by the non AMA masses( or delete the letter M ) irresponsibly flying drones.
How do u figure Nothing has changed who has told U U can't fly at your Local AMA Field ... U don't fly anywhere else anyway. Privation puts the Big wigs of aviation and they will not only devastate R/C but it will be the death knell of GA too. GA is way doen for many reasons Privitation and those that would have the Power will Kill it.
02-09-2016, 08:59 AM
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No worries my Friend , I would never blast a man for stating what he believes he's seeing . I will second your thought that our organization is attempting to force membership in order to get the CBO exemption , and one needs to look no further than the language regarding models over 55 pounds . As written now , in order to be legal according to the FAA , an over 55 pounder must be AMA certified . And the AMA won't certify a non members aircraft .So for now , anything over 55 pounds MUST be owned by an AMA member in order to get the FAA's approval to be allowed to fly . At what point will it become mandatory for ALL models to be flown by CBO members only ?
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Personally, I'm willing to take on the responsibility of certifying an LMA under the umbrella of the AMA for an AMA member. I am NOT willing to take on the liability and responsibility for someone who is not an AMA member. Its not necessarily because I want to force someone to pay the $75/year for AMA membership, but because if I get hauled into court on a case of an aircraft that I certified (under AMA rules), I want the AMA in court with me...
Bob
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02-09-2016, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by speed20 Believe me , you don't want privatized ATC here with a governing board comprised of mostly airline and commercial operaters with deep pockets dictating what is prioritized and what is not , mainly to appease the airlines and squash the little guy flying light aircraft and or RC aircraft. I knew our great hobby would be ruined by the non AMA masses( or delete the letter M ) irresponsibly flying drones.
How do u figure Nothing has changed who has told U U can't fly at your Local AMA Field ... U don't fly anywhere else anyway. Privation puts the Big wigs of aviation and they will not only devastate R/C but it will be the death knell of GA too. GA is way doen for many reasons Privitation and those that would have the Power will Kill it.
02-09-2016, 10:52 AM
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Boy is this thread is filled with a bunch of rubbish. People refuse to read the facts and construed numbers.
Anytime any presents the facts in this forum, many of you choose to not read or believe the facts in front of you.
Silent, you are wasting your time.
Anytime any presents the facts in this forum, many of you choose to not read or believe the facts in front of you.
Silent, you are wasting your time.
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02-09-2016, 03:27 PM
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02-09-2016, 03:36 PM
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