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Old 09-23-2003, 06:34 PM
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AGAIN!

Ground looped again. I suck at this plane. Ground looped at rotation, then tip stalled.

That's it. I'm throwing it in the trash. All the components are still good. Will throw into something else. Not sure what though.





Old 09-23-2003, 08:36 PM
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What's the problem? Do you have enough rudder throw? You *do* use the rudder on takeoff don't you?
Old 09-23-2003, 09:21 PM
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Your front landing gear is on backword, and tail wheel needs to be angled back. The front wheels should be ahead of CG and leading edge of the wing. Front wheels must be toed in at least a 1/8 in.
Look at the angle of your front gear, angle back instead of forward.
Old 09-23-2003, 09:26 PM
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Good eyes RC!

Sorry about your plane that sucks. Good luck in the future!!! Shawn
Old 09-23-2003, 09:26 PM
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Your front landing gear is on backword, and tail wheel needs to be angled back. The front wheels should be ahead of CG and leading edge of the wing. Front wheels must be toed in at least a 1/8 in.
Look at the angle of your front gear, angle back instead of forward.
Old 09-23-2003, 11:08 PM
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front gear on backwards? I'm not sure I see what you see. I didn't build this plane, I bought it built already.. Oh well, live and learn.

I thought I just sucked at tail-draggers. And yes mrbonk, I use rudder.
Old 09-23-2003, 11:16 PM
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Don't toss it.... it can be fixed ...... I wish i had it ..... I would fix it .....JW
Old 09-23-2003, 11:37 PM
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autoguns, I'm sure it can be fixed, but I don't have the woodworking skills... That's why I buy ARF's! haha
Old 09-24-2003, 03:56 AM
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ORIGINAL: TurboRacer
I thought I just sucked at tail-draggers. And yes mrbonk, I use rudder.
Hey, if you like adrenaline sports (as your sig suggests), have you tried kiteboarding? It's what I do in the summer when it gets too hot to fly. Awesome fun and a real adrenaline buzz when you get going properly
Old 09-24-2003, 06:11 AM
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MrBonk - I have not tried it, though it's on my list as something I need to do! Actually, next summer I think I will try it. You can rent the gear at the place I go to every year (Cape Hatteras, NC).

It looks awesome. Totally awesome.
Old 09-24-2003, 06:21 AM
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the reason for the landing gear being angled back would most lickly have somethign to do with the crash. HINT, some of the model during the crash may have landed on the wheels, in other words its BENT
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Old 09-24-2003, 08:05 AM
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crash guy - If you want to come get it, you can have it! I'm in SW CT.
Old 09-24-2003, 09:54 AM
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These are pictures that scare me to build one.....
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Cross wind take offs will do it to you every time. and the landing gear was not damaged, If it were it would have broken off or caused more damage to fuse. Love these birds but they are not trainers, over control will get you in trouble every time. Have a shop full of the but no Diggie.
Old 09-24-2003, 10:32 AM
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yeah, there actually was a cross wind. Pretty much intersecting the runway.

Oh well.

Another one bites the dust.
Old 09-24-2003, 12:01 PM
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Another reason may have been if you let the tail come up too soon. If the tail came up real soon, you might not have had enough air flow over the rudder to maintain control, especially with a crosswind. Keeping your butt on the ground and that tail wheel working for you might be a better idea in no headwind or crosswind situations. Just because the tail comes up, doesn't mean the rest of the plane can.

Sorry for the crack up. Hope you hang in there and stay with the hobby.
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don't worry about me getting out of the hobby! I've been flying planes since I was 14 (24 now) and helis for the past two years. I'm in it till I die.
Old 09-24-2003, 05:32 PM
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what RC Outlaw means when he says the gear is on backwards is that the "straight" part of the strut should be towards the front of the airplane, and the a tapered part should be to the rear. In otherwords, it should be straight at the front, not swept back like in the picture. Having the gear on backwards means that the axels are too far back, making ground handling worse. Also, there is a good chance that the landing gear had some toe-in pre-bent in to them. Put the gear on backwards, and that becomes toe-out, making the ground handling even worse. All that on top of a Cubs naturally bad habits on the ground, and you're in for a ride.
Old 09-24-2003, 07:42 PM
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Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're looking at saying the landing gear is on backwards are just plywood pieces that cover the 3/16" wire used for landing gear. They screw on to the plane, and are held down on the wires with rubber bands. While the wooden pieces are on backwards, it doesn't affect the actual gear.
Old 09-25-2003, 07:43 AM
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2left_thumbs - no, you're right. Those yellow pieces are just asthetics. The real deal is the metal underneath holding the wheels on. I don't really see how it could be on backwards - the actual landing gear that is.

Oh well.
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Well, nevertheless, if the wire gear is placed on backwards, it would still affect the ground handling, because as another stated before, the gear should have toe-in angle built into the gear. So, if the wire is put on backward, you would now have toe-out, which would certainly make ground handling squirrelly.
Old 09-28-2003, 07:05 PM
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If that is the GP Cub you can't put the LG on wrong..... they are just wire gear that sets in notches with one end of each going up into the fuse. In other words, there is no correct left or right LG. And the LG strut covers were just put on backwards (will not affect flight)
Old 09-28-2003, 11:27 PM
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The main wheels on a Cub should be positioned so that only the front half is visible, in front of leading edge, when leveled and viewed from above. It appears that the wheels are in that general area. This may just be a case of a totally FUBAR assembly job (sorry if anyone who built it is reading)

This leaves the toe out issue and very possibly an aft CG condition as culprit.

The wheels are just a wee bit in front of the CG- thus giving Conventional gear its bad reputation on ground handling. Any Aft CG condition will just make it worse. Very often a pilot or wind induced tail moment is unrecoverable or causes serious weaving on take off.

My fix- balance with fuel in mind- correct toe issues- advance throttle slowly and correct gently with rudder as required- Cut throttle and abort if things get to ziggy.

Buy another tail dragger and get back on the horse- they really are alot of fun.

GL


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